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It is He wasnt speaking about the bible, why are men so blind. A man may be blessed for His work when it is from the heart, it does not add a dot to your salvation, and will never justify you. which is what you seem to be doing to be justifed by your works, Like I said, go put that bible down and find the one who is the Truth He is not far from you if you look for Him. Wisdom, grace, mercy, revelation comes for God, not reading. Time is too short to play games with your life.
He was there all of the time. He is there all the time, but where it the eye salve so that we may see?
I too am an ex Catholic and you don't need to be an authority on Catholicism to understand what they teach about the plan of salvation. It's obvious to numerous believers who never attended the Roman Catholic church that Catholicism teaches salvation by faith and works.
It's obvious to me what he's really teaching and it's also obvious to many ex Adventists that I've spoken with as well. It is what it is -- "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works."
Typical straw man argument made by SDA's. I have not written off God's commandments in the new testament for believers and I am not under old covenant law. I also understand the difference between grace and law, obedience and faith. SDA's mix it all together to create salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works.
Hmm.. Brother Anderson, who was a member of the SDA Church for 33 years had this to say about SDA's and Ellen G White. So it's not just me.
Did Ellen G White believe that that the 10 commandments were a part of the law of Moses? Is that how she tried to "get around" Acts 13:39? I often hear people who teach salvation by faith and works (yet deny they teach works salvation) try to "get around" Ephesians 2:8,9 by stating Paul was teaching we are saved by "these" works and just not "those" works, which is still works salvation.
How about a little context. Paul was talking to the Jews (continue to read on in Romans 2:17-24) about their judging of the Gentiles and then points them to their own law (standard of judgment) and hypocrisy and tells them that the doers of the law will be justified before God (v. 13) which leaves them out, along with everyone else. (Romans 3:22-28; Galatians 2:16) The standard they wanted to measure up to was the law. Paul was telling them that the doers of the law will be justified. So, obey the law, all of it, but if you don’t obey all of it, you have failed! He tells them that the Gentiles who didn't have the law according to the knowledge of the Jews were instinctively doing the things of the law (verse 14) and will be judged accordingly.
Exactly, amen. And the result of that faith through the grace of God, they become "doers of the law". They dont become justified by doing the law, but if you are looking for people who are justified, look for doers of the law.
You are correct in much of what you have presented here, including the historic fact that Adventists have tended toward legalism. You are also correct in citing Paul as saying that no-one has ever kept God's commandments, which after all is why the plan of salvation was undertaken right? It's why we all need a Saviour. The question we need to answer or clarify, is , what are we saved from? Certainly we are saved from the eternal consequences of sin. We are saved from eternal death, and by grace, granted eternal life, and Praise God for that. But is that all? Is that all we are saved from? Just the consequence of sin?I too am an ex Catholic and you don't need to be an authority on Catholicism to understand what they teach about the plan of salvation. It's obvious to numerous believers who never attended the Roman Catholic church that Catholicism teaches salvation by faith and works.
It's obvious to me what he's really teaching and it's also obvious to many ex Adventists that I've spoken with as well. It is what it is -- "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works."
Typical straw man argument made by SDA's. I have not written off God's commandments in the new testament for believers and I am not under old covenant law. I also understand the difference between grace and law, obedience and faith. SDA's mix it all together to create salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works.
Hmm.. Brother Anderson, who was a member of the SDA Church for 33 years had this to say about SDA's and Ellen G White. So it's not just me.
5. Adventism tends towards legalism
SDAs place a lot of emphasis on obeying the Ten Commandments, particularly the Fourth Commandment. Their whole end-time eschatology is built upon a great, cosmic conflict that is being played out before the entire universe, and the battle lines have been drawn over the Sabbath Commandment. The conflict over the Sabbath is the final conflict between good and evil, and it is the separating wall that divides "loyal" Christians from "disloyal" Christians. With all this emphasis being placed upon the law, it is no wonder that SDAs have a tendency to get bogged down in legalism.
Mrs. White adds to the problem with some of her legalistic statements such as these:
"...The terms of salvation for every son and daughter of Adam are here outlined. It is plainly stated that the condition of gaining eternal life is obedience to the commandments of God". "To obey the commandments of God is the only way to obtain His favor." "He [man] must be reconciled to God through obedience to His law..."
Ellen White
Did Ellen G White believe that that the 10 commandments were a part of the law of Moses? Is that how she tried to "get around" Acts 13:39? I often hear people who teach salvation by faith and works (yet deny they teach works salvation) try to "get around" Ephesians 2:8,9 by stating Paul was teaching we are saved by "these" works and just not "those" works, which is still works salvation.
How about a little context. Paul was talking to the Jews (continue to read on in Romans 2:17-24) about their judging of the Gentiles and then points them to their own law (standard of judgment) and hypocrisy and tells them that the doers of the law will be justified before God (v. 13) which leaves them out, along with everyone else. (Romans 3:22-28; Galatians 2:16) The standard they wanted to measure up to was the law. Paul was telling them that the doers of the law will be justified. So, obey the law, all of it, but if you don’t obey all of it, you have failed! He tells them that the Gentiles who didn't have the law according to the knowledge of the Jews were instinctively doing the things of the law (verse 14) and will be judged accordingly.
Paul was showing the self-righteous Jews who judged the Gentiles that they were not able to measure up to the perfect standard of the law. They were hypocrites. This is why Paul tells us in the very next chapter in Romans 3:28 that we are justified by faith apart from the works of the law. No one was able to perfectly obey the law (except for Jesus Christ). If you fail even once (stumble in one point), then you become guilty of all. James 2:10, "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all."
Galatians 3:10, For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them." The Jews can be justified before God by keeping the Law, but he or she has to be 100% perfect. A person cannot fail, not even once. But all have failed (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 6:23) and that is why man is justified before God by faith in Christ alone and not by the works of the law. (Romans 3:24-28, 4:2-6; 5:1)
No, you look for those in Christ... Being in Church will save no man, only being in Christ will.
No HE was not, you cant walk away from your Idol can, you. The bible wasnt even written. His words that come from His mouth are life to those who hear them, the letter, even of the law, even of the bible brings death. Just look at all who like you, who read it than use it to enslave and deceive others, Jesus never sen the Holy Spirit to teach any man the bible He sent Him to teach you the truth, and for as long as you neglect Him who is the truth, you will never be free, the Truth is in Him alone. But you wont listen just like so many, and time is fast running out.
Jesus said that He would send the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth (John 16:13). This promise was at the very least to the apostle Peter.
How do you know them when you meet them? By their fruits right? They are recognised by their works... It us by their works that Christians are judged.
You want to be judged by your works go right ahead, you have already set yourself a death sentence...
I know that I have come to Him; and the fact that I hold the Bible to be the inspired and inerrant word of God (in the kjv) does not make that any different.
That was for all men, He didnt send Him to teach you the bible... I read the bible therefore I am right, and you can see how wrong so many bible bashers are. And because of that few put Christ first, and so end up all in there own wisdom and understanding blind as bats.
It does, because if you knew Him you would see all the errors, but because you made it an Idol you wont, you cant because than you dont have your safety blanket to lean on, He is supposed to be that.
