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[Ferris Bueller]

Human Men are Not sent To The Lake of Fire For:
Disbelief in other Human men or For Acts Against other Human men.

1 ...A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba.}
4Against thee, thee only, have I sinned

Psalm 51:1-4

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Wrong again. Purposely living in sin like the guy who had sex with his step- mother ? That’s purposely living in sin.Period. God will chastise such an errant one to get them back in line.Ignore That Chastisement at your own risk God ain’t gonna be Mocked....He can knock you dead in your tracks if He so chooses .....Relax ....nobody “ gets away” with anything in this life....

He didn't have to be put to death in the body so he could be saved when Jesus comes back. His fleshly sin had to die so he could be saved when Jesus comes back. The important thing is that you know that Free Grace teaching is wrong when it says he was saved no matter what he did in the flesh and no matter if he was in disbelief or not.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

From post #1053

“ Even if we are UNfaithful....He REMAINS FAITHFUL ....for God

2 Timothy 2:12 KJV
[12] If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us

if one has been “ born again”, he cannot be unborn..

And this is precisely why he shouldn’t behave as if he got “unborn”. Because his born again self will be cast into the lake of fire if he willfully sins again.

it’s not advisable , but if you choose to act like Peter did, you could deny Him three times in the same day and you won’t be disowned by Jesus —- “he can’t deny himself”....

Peter did this before getting born again because his denial happened before he understood and believed the resurrection.

Mark 16:10-11 KJV
[10] And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept. [11] And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

 

[justbyfaith]

lol you remind me of the Pharisees, Have you ever lied or you try and justify it by yes but not since last time....For a self-professed teacher your dividing of Scripture worries me...look at the verse in context, Verse 5 Behold, I make all things new. verse 6 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. verse 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. Now keep in mind there is no condemnation for those that are in Christ. Verse 8 describes the ones in hell, Because they have rejected Gods Offer of Grace through Jesus sacrifice and are judged as sinners, They are judged for there sins so that is what they are....it is not a verse to throw around in judgment of Christians

Of course; even the sin of lying can be covered by the blood of Jesus.

However, don't think that God will respect your person because you think that you are a Christian...

Col 3:25, But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

The reality is that those who are truly redeemed have been made into new creatures in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17 (kjv))...so the following is true of them (in larger letters).

Pro 13:5, A righteous man hateth lying: but a wicked man is loathsome, and cometh to shame.

We know that John specifies what he means in Revelation 21:8 when he says the following.

Rev 22:15, For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

This obviously applies to those who think that they are Christians as well as to those who know that they are not.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

From post #1056

The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation.

No one has said this @mailmandan

That's not hard to understand.

Agreed.

But what seems to escape people of your persuasion is the fact that AFTER one is born again he must do this:

1 John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

All’s one got to is read the four gospels to find out how Jesus walked, and then DO likewise.

 

[ChristisGod]

It’s a sad fact, but the man that authored the words to that song , John Lennon , is more than likely languishing in Hell at this very moment ..... I loved the music of the Beatles.I still do. Turns out “ Love is NOT the Answer.” Being “ Born Again” is the Answer .Faith in Jesus Christ Plus Nothing.
John Lennon sang in one Of his songs , “ I don’t believe the Bible— I don’t believe in Jesus!” Well, he does now.

Agreed !

 

[ChristisGod]

Amen! The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To “believe” the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. That's not hard to understand. It's just hard for certain people to accept.

Indeed its the only gospel that saves as Paul decaled in Romans 1:16 its the power of God unto salvation and the one by which we are saved 1 Corinthians 15:3.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

From post #1057

There are going to be many Believers in Heaven with zero rewards

So you believe the lie that believers who sin will lose rewards, not their salvation.

This is the most ridiculous made-up doctrine I’ve heard; your own false doctrine teaches that everyone sins every day! Meaning that NO ONE will ever get any rewards.

So what is the point of a judgment seat of rewards if It’s impossible to issue such rewards since no one ever becomes sinless according to your doctrine?

 

[ChristisGod]

From post #1057



So you believe the lie that believers who sin will lose rewards, not their salvation.

This is the most ridiculous made-up doctrine I’ve heard; your own false doctrine teaches that everyone sins every day! Meaning that NO ONE will ever get any rewards.

So what is the point of a judgment seat of rewards if It’s impossible to issue such rewards since no one ever becomes sinless according to your doctrine?

its to bad you deny Scripture and believe a lie !

1 Corinthians 3:10-15
By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

its to bad you deny Scripture and believe a lie !

1 Corinthians 3:10-15
By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

Read the passage; it doesn’t teach what you have been taught it teaches:

1 Corinthians 3:10-11,14 KJVS
[10] According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. [11] For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

[14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

This pertains to work in the faith (ministry) and being faithful to the foundation of Christ, not the consequences of sin.

For Paul himself wrote that:

1 Corinthians 6:9 ...the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived

 

[ChristisGod]

Read the passage; it doesn’t teach what you have been taught it teaches:

1 Corinthians 3:10-11,14 KJVS
[10] According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. [11] For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

[14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

This pertains to work in the faith (ministry) and being faithful to the foundation of Christ, not the consequences of sin.

For Paul himself wrote that:

1 Corinthians 6:9 ...the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived

Try reading this SLOOOOOOOWLY with understanding the words below. Your entire false doctrine destroyed with 1 simple to understand verse from the CONTEXT of the passage on rewards and the loss of them.

1 Corinthians 3:15
15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

 

[justbyfaith]

Try reading this SLOOOOOOOWLY with understanding the words below. Your entire false doctrine destroyed with 1 simple to understand verse from the CONTEXT of the passage on rewards and the loss of them.

1 Corinthians 3:15
15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

I think what @Michiah-Imla is saying is that the works that are burned up are works of ministry (that somehow did not make the grade) in the lives of those who are born of God...who "do not" and "cannot" sin (1 John 3:9).

Therefore 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 does not necessarily give a free pass to those who practice unrighteousness. If it did, would it not be in contradiction to 1 Corinthians 6:9-11?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Try reading this SLOOOOOOOWLY with understanding the words below. Your entire false doctrine destroyed with 1 simple to understand verse from the CONTEXT of the passage on rewards and the loss of them.

1 Corinthians 3:15
15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

The builder, not the sinner.

Read the passage without your bias.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Indeed its the only gospel that saves as Paul decaled in Romans 1:16 its the power of God unto salvation and the one by which we are saved 1 Corinthians 15:3.

Who disagrees with that? 1 Corinthians 15:3-8 lacks details found elsewhere in the Bible but it's things we all believe and agree on. Paul is focusing on the resurrection aspect of the gospel there because that's the point at which the Corinthians have fallen away from the gospel. They stopped believing in a risen savior. That's why he did not go into detail about the gospel there and instead focused on the fact that Christ has indeed risen from the dead.

Our differences are not in the gospel itself but in the expectations and obligations that saving faith carries with it. Most in the church think dead faith saves. That's just not true. James, John, and Paul all agree on that.

Ultimately, if your faith does not uphold the law (Romans 3:31), for what that actually means, you have a dead faith. A false faith that can not save. If it was genuine it would be upholding the law to whatever extent grace has brought you to in your knowledge of God.

 

[mailmandan]

Indeed its the only gospel that saves as Paul decaled in Romans 1:16 its the power of God unto salvation and the one by which we are saved 1 Corinthians 15:3.

Amen! Yet some people still insist on “adding works” to the gospel or even sinless perfection to the gospel which is a “different” gospel.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Try reading this SLOOOOOOOWLY with understanding the words below. Your entire false doctrine destroyed with 1 simple to understand verse from the CONTEXT of the passage on rewards and the loss of them.

1 Corinthians 3:15
15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

If 1 Corinthians 3:8-15 was teaching that you can not live for the Lord and still be saved Paul would be contradicting John who said the person who does not live for him is not born again and not a child of God. I'm surprised you're defending such a position (if you actually are) because Calvinism teaches that the person who does not live for Christ is a fake believer, not a fallen believer who is still protected by the grace of God through faith for the day of salvation.

But anyway. The passage is about rewards, not salvation. The work you will be rewarded for is the successful building and planting of God's household and field, respectively. Your reward in this regard is the people who are saved through you labor in the gospel. They are your reward on the other side. If they don't make it to the other side and are instead burned up in the great judgment, they won't be there to be your reward on the other side. You yourself will be there, but those you labored to bring with you won't be.

I know this is not taught in any Protestant denomination that I know of, but this is a prime example of how we pass down traditions and teachings instead of our leaders having their own spiritual insights into the scriptures. I could say more about that, but that's another lengthy topic. But if you want to go there I will.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Amen! Yet some people still insist on “adding works” to the gospel or even sinless perfection to the gospel which is a “different” gospel.

I think the argument is true faith will, with no exceptions, add works to a person's salvation experience with God. If it doesn't add those works, then that person does not have the faith that saves all by itself apart from works. Do you disagree with that? Remember, John made it clear that ultimately if a person is not changed and working works of righteousness they are a child of the devil and are not born again. Do you agree with that?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

1 Corinthians 3:11-15 does not necessarily give a free pass to those who practice unrighteousness. If it did, would it not be in contradiction to 1 Corinthians 6:9-11?

Yes, and in contradiction to other scriptures too.

 

[mailmandan]

I think the argument is true faith will, with no exceptions, add works to a person's salvation experience with God. If it doesn't add those works, then that person does not have the faith that saves all by itself apart from works. Do you disagree with that? Remember, John made it clear that ultimately if a person is not changed and working works of righteousness they are a child of the devil and are not born again. Do you agree with that?

If someone merely claims to have faith, yet they have no works (James 2:14-18) then they have an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not saving faith. John gives a clear distinction between children of God and children of the devil in 1 John 3:7-10. That still does not equate to salvation by works or salvation by sinless perfection. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; 1 John 1:8-10)

 

[justbyfaith]

Amen! Yet some people still insist on “adding works” to the gospel or even sinless perfection to the gospel which is a “different” gospel.

"sinless perfection" is a misnomer applied to a specific aspect of the true gospel (entire sanctification) in order to create a straw man that is easily toppled by 1 John 1:8.

While the doctrine of entire sanctification does not purport that sin is eradicated from the body (i.e. we become sinless) but rather that it is rendered dead within the body (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).

That entire sanctification is an aspect of the true gospel is evident in the following passages.

1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv), Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), 1 John 3:9;

Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10;

1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, 1 John 2:6;

1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17;

Romans 6:6, Colossians 2:11.

There are many more passages that I could reference or quote; but I believe that these will suffice and I also don't want to overwhelm anyone so that they don't even look at the scriptures in question.