Bible alone?

[David H.]

mid then this church physical or only spiritual?

The Body of Christ is Both Physical and Spiritual. Jesus is the Word of God, the Christian in the Body has the word of God as written and has the Holy Spirit as teacher, who opens the word of God to them and gives them wisdom and understanding, the essential doctrines of the faith are all in the word of God, hence the "sola scriptura" But on top of this is Holy Spirit revelations, which will never contradict the word of God, Only reinforce and add depth of meaning to the words therein. This divine revelation is not just granted to select leaders but to all parts of the body receive Truth, so your Baptists have truth, and your Calvinists have some and Catholics have some, and the charismatics have some, for as Paul said, we all know in part until that perfect has come in.

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. (1 Corinthians 13:9-10)

That "perfect is come" is when we as Christians are filled with the fulness of Christ, which comes with the unity of the Spirit, which comes with all the parts of the body in fellowship and Agape love for one another.

This is the final transformation when the fulness of the gentiles comes in, the church age will end and the age of the saints will begin, which is what Revelation speaks of.... But that is a different topic.

 

[theefaith]

Not!

I thought so, dogma is thee faith, de fide, short statements of faith
Examples

there is only one God!

I’ll send all of them in a pm

 

[theefaith]

Your charlatans are wicked men, ...you're making me very suspicious of yourself?

being valid apostles does not make them impeccable only Jesus and Mary are sinless

 

[theefaith]

The Body of Christ is Both Physical and Spiritual. Jesus is the Word of God, the Christian in the Body has the word of God as written and has the Holy Spirit as teacher, who opens the word of God to them and gives them wisdom and understanding, the essential doctrines of the faith are all in the word of God, hence the "sola scriptura" But on top of this is Holy Spirit revelations, which will never contradict the word of God, Only reinforce and add depth of meaning to the words therein. This divine revelation is not just granted to select leaders but to all parts of the body receive Truth, so your Baptists have truth, and your Calvinists have some and Catholics have some, and the charismatics have some, for as Paul said, we all know in part until that perfect has come in.

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. (1 Corinthians 13:9-10)

That "perfect is come" is when we as Christians are filled with the fulness of Christ, which comes with the unity of the Spirit, which comes with all the parts of the body in fellowship and Agape love for one another.

This is the final transformation when the fulness of the gentiles comes in, the church age will end and the age of the saints will begin, which is what Revelation speaks of.... But that is a different topic.

the church is a perfect society founded by God and is eternal

Lk 1:32-33

 

[David H.]

the church is a perfect society founded by God and is eternal

Lk 1:32-33

The Church is NOT the Kingdom of God. This is the heart of where RCC error has started. The Kingdom of heaven is an earthly Kingdom where Messiah Rules in Jerusalem, Most Catholics do not believe in the premillennial view of end times instead they believe Christ set up his kingdom via the church. The Church is there to produce saints that will belong to that millennial kingdom, not that the church rises up in militancy and builds the kingdom by power and might.... "Not by power and might but by my Spirit".

It is this militancy in the catholic church that has led to al manner of atrocious behavior from the crusades to the inquisition to the killing of Anabaptists. These purges are a stain in their history as the blood of many a saint is on their hands as they have silenced opposition with military force. The Church as you push it is anything but perfect. The Lutherans not much better eventually led to Hitler, who was also supported by the Vatican, as part of the axis with Mussolini. Man made society is anything but perfect and indeed never can be, but the body of Christ is His, and Has Christ as the head, the all in all of the church. All in the Body are brethren, not masters, as Jesus instructs in Matthew 23:7-12. His Kingdom is NOT of this world (John 18:36) and any such teaching is a corruption of the teaching of Christ.

I Have posts here that discusses this as well in more detail.
Justification, instant sanctification and progressive sanctification and sainthood.. | Christian Forums @ Christianity Board
The Churches are dying, the saints are rising. | Christian Forums @ Christianity Board

The Church age is ending and the age of the saints is coming. The true church becomes the saints the tares become the harlot of Revelation 17. This goes for all churches of men.

 

[theefaith]

The Church is NOT the Kingdom of God. This is the heart of where RCC error has started. The Kingdom of heaven is an earthly Kingdom where Messiah Rules in Jerusalem, Most Catholics do not believe in the premillennial view of end times instead they believe Christ set up his kingdom via the church. The Church is there to produce saints that will belong to that millennial kingdom, not that the church rises up in militancy and builds the kingdom by power and might.... "Not by power and might but by my Spirit".

It is this militancy in the catholic church that has led to al manner of atrocious behavior from the crusades to the inquisition to the killing of Anabaptists. These purges are a stain in their history as the blood of many a saint is on their hands as they have silenced opposition with military force. The Church as you push it is anything but perfect. The Lutherans not much better eventually led to Hitler, who was also supported by the Vatican, as part of the axis with Mussolini. Man made society is anything but perfect and indeed never can be, but the body of Christ is His, and Has Christ as the head, the all in all of the church. All in the Body are brethren, not masters, as Jesus instructs in Matthew 23:7-12. His Kingdom is NOT of this world (John 18:36) and any such teaching is a corruption of the teaching of Christ.

I Have posts here that discusses this as well in more detail.
Justification, instant sanctification and progressive sanctification and sainthood.. | Christian Forums @ Christianity Board
The Churches are dying, the saints are rising. | Christian Forums @ Christianity Board

The Church age is ending and the age of the saints is coming. The true church becomes the saints the tares become the harlot of Revelation 17. This goes for all churches of men.

the church was persecuted by hitler Rome was captive, Pius 12 rescued thousands of jews and Allied solders

the church is the kingdom and is eternal
The 1000 year kingdom must be metaphorical cos it would end at the end of the 1000 years and scripture say His kingdom shall NOT end???

Lk 1:32-33

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

 

[David H.]

the church was persecuted by hitler Rome was captive, Pius 12 rescued thousands of jews and Allied solders

False. The Papacy is as much to blame for their silence as the Lutheran church in Germany. There are those saints who were not silent both of the Catholic and the protestant churches that paid with their lives, But they were few and far between.

the church is the kingdom and is eternal
The 1000 year kingdom must be metaphorical cos it would end at the end of the 1000 years and scripture say His kingdom shall NOT end???

False:
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. (2 Peter 3:11-13)
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. (Rev. 21:1)

 

[theefaith]

False. The Papacy is as much to blame for their silence as the Lutheran church in Germany. There are those saints who were not silent both of the Catholic and the protestant churches that paid with their lives, But they were few and far between.



False:
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. (2 Peter 3:11-13)
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. (Rev. 21:1)

watch the film the scarlet and the black Gregory peck based on the life of mon. Hugh o’flerety

 

[DNB]

being valid apostles does not make them impeccable only Jesus and Mary are sinless

theefaith, open your eyes, such a corrupt pedigree of popes, cardinals & bishops within the Catholic ranks, clearly displays the lack of apostolic succession that could ever be ascribed to the RCC.

 

[David H.]

watch the film the scarlet and the black Gregory peck based on the life of mon. Hugh o’flerety

theefaith, open your eyes, such a corrupt pedigree of popes, cardinals & bishops within the Catholic ranks, clearly displays the lack of apostolic succession that could ever be ascribed to the RCC.

Read the Link to get the whole story.

Pope Pius XII: Vatican records show he knew Nazis were killing Jews during Holocaust - The Washington Post

 

[theefaith]

theefaith, open your eyes, such a corrupt pedigree of popes, cardinals & bishops within the Catholic ranks, clearly displays the lack of apostolic succession that could ever be ascribed to the RCC.

tell me then what is the one true church founded by Christ on Peter the apostles with apostolic succession

Matt 16:18 18:18

 

[theefaith]

Read the Link to get the whole story.

Pope Pius XII: Vatican records show he knew Nazis were killing Jews during Holocaust - The Washington Post

that’s why the chief rabbi of rome became catholic just after the war

and the dressed nazi persecutor of time was baptized catholic at the hand of the o’flerety???

 

[theefaith]

Read the Link to get the whole story.

Pope Pius XII: Vatican records show he knew Nazis were killing Jews during Holocaust - The Washington Post

those who have the keys of the kingdom and administer it are not impeccable! Or perfect, they do their best with human reason and judgement in governing the church

 

[David H.]

tell me then what is the one true church founded by Christ on Peter the apostles with apostolic succession

Matt 16:18 18:18

those who have the keys of the kingdom and administer it are not impeccable! Or perfect, they do their best with human reason and judgement in governing the church

The Rock on which the True church is built is the confession of Peter, "thou art the Christ the Son of the living God" Not Peter Himself as the RCC interprets this passage to mean. This is the very foundation of the testimony of Jesus on which Christian faith is based. The Church is an assembly of believers, not a building or an institution of man, an assembly of believers united by peter's confession. Peter is not the foundation, Christ Jesus is.

 

[theefaith]

The Rock on which the True church is built is the confession of Peter, "thou art the Christ the Son of the living God" Not Peter Himself as the RCC interprets this passage to mean. This is the very foundation of the testimony of Jesus on which Christian faith is based. The Church is an assembly of believers, not a building or an institution of man, an assembly of believers united by peter's confession. Peter is not the foundation, Christ Jesus is.

you CANNOT give the keys of the kingdom (authority) to a confession!

only to a person
Joseph held the keys of the kingdom under pharaoh no king administers His own kingdom and especially Christ who ascended to heaven???


God always establishes order in man and the people’s obedience to hierarchical authority!

The angelic order!
The church order!
The family order!
The civil order!

All require obedience to hierarchical authority!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

 

[David H.]

All require obedience to hierarchical authority!

We have one Lord, and one Master who is Christ Jesus, all the rest are brethren. (Matthew 23:5-12) Read these verses as these are the instructions of Christ himself. We have one authority we submit to and that is to God. This is the only hierarchy in the church. We respect elders of the faith for their experience but we do not place them on a pedestal. The Key to the Kingdom is the holy ghost which is apportioned and given to all that when they join in unity and the fulness of Christ the door can be opened to the kingdom of God.

 

[theefaith]

We have one Lord, and one Master who is Christ Jesus, all the rest are brethren. (Matthew 23:5-12) Read these verses as these are the instructions of Christ himself. We have one authority we submit to and that is to God. This is the only hierarchy in the church. We respect elders of the faith for their experience but we do not place them on a pedestal. The Key to the Kingdom is the holy ghost which is apportioned and given to all that when they join in unity and the fulness of Christ the door can be opened to the kingdom of God.

Jesus said to obey the authority of the successors of Moses mt 23 authority of the keys and power to bind and loose and this power and authority was taken from them matt and given by Christ to Peter, the apostles and their successors, mt 16:18 18:18 this same authority and power must be obeyed!

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

the church is a kingdom governed by obedience to hierarchical authority

Acts 5 authority of the apostles verified by them being stricken dead by God verifying Matt 16:18 matt 18:18 whatsoever you bind on earth is bound in heaven and the apostles have the light of the Holy Spirit!

God always establishes order in man and the people’s obedience to hierarchical authority!

The angelic order!
The church order!
The family order!
The civil order!

All require obedience to hierarchical authority!

The church is not a democracy but a kingdom!

Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.
all People are called, apostles bishops priests are chosen

 

[theefaith]

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

 

[theefaith]

We have one Lord, and one Master who is Christ Jesus, all the rest are brethren. (Matthew 23:5-12) Read these verses as these are the instructions of Christ himself. We have one authority we submit to and that is to God. This is the only hierarchy in the church. We respect elders of the faith for their experience but we do not place them on a pedestal. The Key to the Kingdom is the holy ghost which is apportioned and given to all that when they join in unity and the fulness of Christ the door can be opened to the kingdom of God.

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

 

[David H.]

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

He continues his ministry through all believers, He did not set up a hierarchy, but a brotherhood, we are all brethren. This is a hard concept for people who have been indoctrinated into Christendom, (whether protestant or catholic)It means not relaying on priests and men to feed you, but to eat the meat of word yourself, to bear full responsibility for your own Spiritual life. A Shepherd guides the sheep from the rear, Points them to greener pasture, they still as sheep have to walk there with their own feet, and feed themselves. Sheep were not meant to sit in buildings being fed from troughs, but to graze in the pastures. Does this make sense?

You are assuming the keys to the kingdom were given to a select few, They were given to all the brethren. The first attitude leads to exclusivity and elitism, and hierarchy, the latter view leads to the unity of the Spirit, and the fellowship of brethren in the bond of peace.

As a side note, I want to commend you, on your civil discussion. Many times when I bring these things up, especially with Catholics, they get offended and combative, instead you are willing to have a civil conversation. It is a good example of the character in you. Many Protestants are even offended by these notions, and they are so into their church's hierarchy and superiority.