Hidden In Him
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"Without compromise" leaves what sounds like zero room for error, yes? How are you certain that you follow the teachings of Jesus with zero error, and no compromise whatsoever?
Gifts Of The Spirit Are NOT Proof That You Have The Holy Spirit
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"Without compromise" leaves what sounds like zero room for error, yes? How are you certain that you follow the teachings of Jesus with zero error, and no compromise whatsoever?
Hidden In Him
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The Corinthians were walking in sexual sin, pride and division within the church; division that was so great that they were being put to death by the judgments of God for not judging themselves over it.
Were they operating in true gifts of the Spirit, or demonic gifts?
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If you read 1 Corinthians you will find that Paul does not describe the problems affecting the whole church. He describes the church as not backward in any of the gifts.
Concerning the sexual sin, Paul describes just one person who is to be corrected for it, and his concern was that the church leaders were slow in taking action against the man. Also, the division in the church was no different to the general denominationism we have in these days. Reading between the lines, Paul is responding to a letter sent to him by members of the church who were advising him of problems within the church.
But really, were the problems caused by some in the Corinthian church any different from most churches today? There is the lunatic fringe in every church you can name, and Pentecostal/Charismatic churches are more prone to it because of their governmental structure where there is much more freedom of expression in the services, while more traditional church services are more strictly controlled so the lunatic fringe is more subdued.
At no stage in 1 Corinthians does Paul say that the manifestation of the gifts of the Spirit in that church are false or demonic. That is putting words into Paul's mouth that he never said.
it is also very interesting that the Corinthian church was not one of the seven churches of Revelation. One would think so, given that the Corinthian church was one of the principal Gentile churches and was found by Apollos and Paul, so one would think that if the problems were so severe, Christ would have included it in His review of the Seven churches in Revelation.
Also, one has to read II Corinthians to see that most of the issues were dealt with and that Paul commended the church that they did take action to get things right side up. We see that the man who was put out of the fellowship through his sexual sin, is not to be abandoned but welcomed back if he shows repentance. There is no further reference to any continuing division in the church. Neither is there any continuing issue concerning prophecy and tongues, so it is safely assumed that these issues were put right and that the spiritual gifts were being manifested in the same way as in all the other churches.
So, the strength of the Corinthian church is that they listened to Paul and took his instructions on board. I wonder how many modern Charismatic churches would do the same, or would most of them resist instructions because they wouldn't want someone from outside their church telling them how to govern them?
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The rite of confirmation is missing from the New Testament, therefore is a man-conceived ritual originally dreamed up by the RCC.
historyb
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I am not Catholic and it was down when the Church was universal, your evangelical nonsense is purely man made not from the Apostles nor from the Fathers
No when they believe, nothing to do with catholic stuff. And I know, I went through all that indoctrination that Christ called me like so many out of Babylon, thank God He did.
come out of her my people, but so few listening
Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Is Christ not enough for you...
quietthinker
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I have doubts the 'taking the kingdom by violence' quote, means what you have interpreted it as. Its context creates this doubt. Matthew 11:12
From amplified:
But the fruit of the Spirit [the result of His presence within us] is love [unselfish concern for others], joy, [inner] peace, patience [not the ability to wait, but how we act while waiting], kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature together with its passions and appetites. If we [claim to] live by the [Holy] Spirit, we must also walk by the Spirit [with personal integrity, godly character, and moral courage—our conduct empowered by the Holy Spirit]. We must not become conceited, challenging or provoking one another, envying one another.
Galatians 5:22-26
Regardless of the gift you have, according to the Bible, a spiritual gift is not proof that you have received the Holy Spirit. To determine whether or not you have the Holy Spirit, you must adhere to a certain set of beliefs which are the teachings of Jesus without compromising or manipulating them.
The gift of prophecy is the gift you should eagerly pursue, but this gift can put you in opposition with the established church and denomination (as it was with every prophet in the Old Testament, and in the New Testament with Jesus and the Apostles). The church also understands that if you haven’t developed any spiritual gifts as a result of their teachings, you may doubt the authenticity of their doctrinal teachings and find another church or change denominations. And so, the Pentecostal church pushes speaking in tongues as irrefutable proof of the Holy Spirit.
The Apostle Paul himself states that speaking in tongues is the least of all the gifts and that we should desire the greater gifts.
1 Corinthians 12:28 – And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues.
1 Corinthians 12:31 – Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.
This is because the purpose of speaking in tongues does not usually benefit the people around, as it is more of a personal edification. Unless there is someone around who can interpret (which is rare precisely due to inauthentic tongues speakers), those around you who hear, cannot grasp what you are saying and you both become foreigners to each other. For these reasons, Paul encourages us to excel in gifts that build up the church.
I don't think that is a proper subject to pursue, to claim someone has not the holy spirit. God will choose that, not man. It's best if we stick to the things which are mans to stick to. Like discerning for ourselves what doctrines we believe in.
I disagree. Everyone must examine themselves to see if they are of the Spirit. This is what Paul tells us to do, especially before taking communion. Otherwise we are heaping judgment on ourselves. You can find this in 1 Corinthians 11:28, 2 Corinthians 13:5, Lamentations 3:40, Psalm 119:59
Then I would suggest knowing how to distinguish the Holy Spirit if you're concerned whether or not you are experiencing the Holy Spirit. Most people confess feeling love or peace, and general communication from God. But these are spelled out by Paul here:
Galatians 5:22-25
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
By no compromise I mean when Jesus said "give to all who ask", he means just that - give to all who ask. We cannot add exceptions to this like "within reason", or "only if I know what the money is for", etc. When Jesus said 'turn the other cheek', that means no self defense of any kind. No one can marry a divorced woman and a wife being completely submissive to her husband are other examples of things we cannot compromise to suit our own motives.
This does not mean that you will not fall short of Jesus' standards. We all fall short and and when we do, we can repent and receive forgiveness. But to lower the standards to appear innocent before God, is what I mean by compromising the teachings of Jesus.
What I am saying is the gifts of the spirit are not proof you have the holy spirit. Fruits of the sprit also include the fruit of your lips, meaning your teachings should align with the teachings of Jesus. This is the true way to determine whether you are walking in the Spirit.
I use judgment when giving. But OK you error on the safe side which is OK. Yes we have to live by Matthew 25:35-46 if we are to have the fruits of the Holy Spirit in us: Galatians 5:22-25
Fruits of the Spirit are things you receive from the Holy Spirit when you walk with Christ, Love and Peace, etc. Cheers. See post #56.
OK, so you think a prophet cannot prove himself, then how are you better than those that persecute Gods chosen? I think my point is that you need to prove your idea in scripture. But a prophet can be proven:
Deuteronomy 18:22
"When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."
I'm sure the other gifts can render proof that they are of God also, you just don't believe perhaps?
Paul started out by telling the Corinthians that they were carnal. There was a divisive party spirit within that church. So it had nothing to do with demons, but simply with the flesh -- the old Adamic sin nature. Chapter 14 is all about correcting the abuse of tongues.
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