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Who "put salvation on works?" And what works? (And what does that even mean?)

By saying anything you do in your flesh Can make you lose your salvation When Scripture Says Anyone that is Saved is Circumcised from the body of sin of the flesh

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

So what about Works, Its about reward or Lose, You say Its about Salvation but scripture says

If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

The only works I ever get accused of urging is Sabbath rest, which is the opposite of work.

How Can rest be Work, I think you don't understand what works are...

Because the Bible does. It's been demonstrated thousands of times; dozens by myself.

Oh that explains it....Not

Because the Cross is (while doubtless being the greatest) only one part of an entire atonement process. All of our works, even the "good" ones are tainted with selfishness, and therefore 100% insufficient to merit salvation. Our "good" works are just a meager offering of imperfect love. That is why we need the record of Christ's perfect works of the law (His life--not His death) along with His death, resurrection, ascension, and priestly ministry credited to our account for a complete substitutionary atonement.

Without the shedding of Blood there is no remission of Sins.... Everything you said Is From Christ why not Give Thanks instead of pointing to Self and the Flesh

O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
 

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sharing with others how God is at work in your life is boasting ?

yikes.................

you talk all the time about living sinless yet you cannot share how that looks with your neighbors and how that impacts the lives of others ?

talk about an oxymoron......................

I believe that actions speak louder than words. If I testify to my own works, I am boasting in myself.

And I have never said that I am "sinless". I say that we can walk in freedom (John 8:31-36) and victory (1 Corinthians 15:57) over sin. We don't have to sin; sinning is not inevitable for the believer in Christ.

If I told you what my works are, I would be sinning from my perspective. It would be like blowing a trumpet in front of me drawing attention to alms or something.

You don't seem to get that. You think that I am trying to make some kind of excuse for not telling you what my works are.

I'd be interested in knowing why you want to know what my works are.

I consider that works are not to be trumpeted before the people but that we are to do our best to hide them. Let not your left hand know what your right hand is doing, that your alms may be in secret, and such other things.

I see you Mocking the Church quite often, Why be an accuser of the brethren, Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Hi @HisLife,

Do you really believe in that verse?

You believe that we can be sanctified wholly unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ; and that when the last person is wholly sanctified, we go up?

How about: It's none of my business what JBF does in his time away from his computer, especially if he conscientiously objects to divulging it. Consider the possibility that what you're insisting upon him doing might just be inappropriate. Some people are disabled and can't be very active in door-to-door witnessing at all. And that's just what I came up with off the top of my head. :)

:):):)HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!;););) :D

My disability is a mental one. My experience has been that when I go witnessing to people outside my home, that they have called the authorities on me and I have ended up in the mental hospital. Yes, this does happen. People who don't want to hear it from you can become vengeful. It is not so much that I am going off the deep end when I share my faith with them; it is that they know a little something about psychology: that it has three tenets that are conducive to the persecution of Christians: 1) persecution complex (if you believe what it says in Matthew 5:10-12, 2 Timothy 3:10-12, Luke 6:22 you are considered to have one) 2) religious preoccupation (if you desire the sincere milk of the word you are considerd to have it)
3) mania (when you stay up into the wee hours of the night watching and waiting for the Lord's return). Therefore they can in fact utilize this if you are sharing the Bible with them and say to the authorities that you are "religiously preoccupied" and that you are pushing your religion on them.

So, i tend to stick these days to people who want to hear the word; and the perfect place for this is a Christian Message Board where people specifically go there to hear the word.

I know that I stay out of the hospital this way and am also more effective to minister because I am safe from being bodily taken in when I am on the other side of a computer screen.

I didn't know he was physically disabled, my bad.

No, I am not physically disabled. But I feel safer relegating my witnessing to people of the church on an internet website than going out and witnessing on the streets. And such witnessing (on the internet) is not invalid. If I say more I am in danger of losing my reward for the things that I do on the streets in the way of witnessing; for I do witness on occasion in such a manner. Of course, there has to be a reason why they won't call the authorities on you.
 
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You willfully Sin Everyday get over yourself, Anything not of faith is sin,
Faith is perpetually instilled in the heart of the one who is sealed by the Holy Spirit.

Anything which is of faith is not sin.

You think that we cannot walk consistently by faith?
 

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I believe that actions speak louder than words. If I testify to my own works, I am boasting in myself.

And I have never said that I am "sinless". I say that we can walk in freedom (John 8:31-36) and victory (1 Corinthians 15:57) over sin. We don't have to sin; sinning is not inevitable for the believer in Christ.

If I told you what my works are, I would be sinning from my perspective. It would be like blowing a trumpet in front of me drawing attention to alms or something.

You don't seem to get that. You think that I am trying to make some kind of excuse for not telling you what my works are.

I'd be interested in knowing why you want to know what my works are.

I consider that works are not to be trumpeted before the people but that we are to do our best to hide them. Let not your left hand know what your right hand is doing, that your alms may be in secret, and such other things.



Hi @HisLife,

Do you really believe in that verse?

You believe that we can be sanctified wholly unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ; and that when the last person is wholly sanctified, we go up?



My disability is a mental one. My experience has been that when I go witnessing to people outside my home, that they have called the authorities on me and I have ended up in the mental hospital. Yes, this does happen. People who don't want to hear it from you can become vengeful. It is not so much that I am going off the deep end when I share my faith with them; it is that they know a little something about psychology: that it has three tenets that are conducive to the persecution of Christians: 1) persecution complex (if you believe what it says in Matthew 5:10-12, 2 Timothy 3:10-12, Luke 6:22 you are considered to have one) 2) religious preoccupation (if you desire the sincere milk of the word you are considerd to have it)
3) mania (when you stay up into the wee hours of the night watching and waiting for the Lord's return). Therefore they can in fact utilize this if you are sharing the Bible with them and say to the authorities that you are "religiously preoccupied" and that you are pushing your religion on them.

So, i tend to stick these days to people who want to hear the word; and the perfect place for this is a Christian Message Board where people specifically go there to hear the word.

I know that I stay out of the hospital this way and am also more effective to minister because I am safe from being bodily taken in when I am on the other side of a computer screen.



No, I am not physically disabled. But I feel safer relegating my witnessing to people of the church on an internet website than going out and witnessing on the streets. And such witnessing (on the internet) is not invalid. If I say more I am in danger of losing my reward for the things that I do on the streets in the way of witnessing; for I do witness on occasion in such a manner. Of course, there has to be a reason why they won't call the authorities on you; such as you giving them alms or food in the cases of those who are homeless.

Well, I guess I couldn't hide it for ever. The Bible does say that these kinds of things cannot be hid. But I wanted to keep it under wraps; and in the end I couldn't do so. At least I haven't told you everything.

I suppose that now, a lion is going to devour me on the road (I am referencing a biblical story here). Because the Lord told me not to tell you; but you assured me it was alright; and then I told you.

But I felt that it was needed to relate properly what needed to be related.

Oh well. You win some, you lose some. Now that I have lost my reward, I want you to tell me what you do in the way of works so that you will also lose your reward. It is only fair. Because I resent the fact that you made me spill the beans.

I am going to hit "Post Reply" on this because my wife is waiting for me to finish so that we can go to the store.

Come what may.
Witnessing is not forcing your beliefs upon others it’s discussing scripture with someone . Huge difference and I’ve never had someone threatened about discussing Jesus with them do as to want yo call the police or telling me off.
 

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Hi @HisLife,

Do you really believe in that verse?

You believe that we can be sanctified wholly unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ; and that when the last person is wholly sanctified, we go up?

I believe we are made Perfect in Christ

Faith is perpetually instilled in the heart of the one who is sealed by the Holy Spirit.

Anything which is of faith is not sin.

You think that we cannot walk consistently by faith?

No ye of little Faith You cant Walk Perfectly As Jesus Did, When I see you I see filthy Rags
 
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From post #1260

the Gospel says Jesus died for your sins, And you Say Not all of your sins You didn't Believe the truth and Rejected the Gospel

Jesus died for all the past/old sins that the repenter and believer has committed (Romans 3:25; 2 Peter 1:9) and the unwillful sins during his/her growing process. But God will continue to purge the believer to bring forth more fruit (John 15:2) until he comes to the point of fulfilling this scripture:

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


who gives you the power to endure to the end your own Effort or God's power?

Romans 15:19 ...by the power of the Spirit of God

You willfully Sin Everyday

No I do not. And neither should you.

Who is your Master?

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Anything not of faith is sin

This is why you should do all things in faith.

Matthew 17:20 ...If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

Not even the idea of sinless perfection.

Because:

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

You cant Love God With all your heart your soul Your strength Every moment of every day..

Yes I can.

Why can’t you?

What If I called it Eternal Security would you still hate it

This is synonymous with Once Saved Always Saved, is it not?

I know its easier to try and do it your own way than put your Soul on faith in Jesus

No.

It easier to do it the Once Saved Always Saved way.

Doing it the Bible way is hard for those who are not born again.

Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
 

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Yes I can.

Why can’t you?

Wow can't Believe you said Yes you can, You think you have become perfect and sinless and have become your own Saviour, I have heard people like you exist, You cant see The context of Scripture Because you're blinded by yourself, You're faking it or fooling yourself, Most should see right through you fake persona, Heres a verse that should get you going

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
 
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By saying anything you do in your flesh Can make you lose your salvation When Scripture Says Anyone that is Saved is Circumcised from the body of sin of the flesh

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

So what about Works, Its about reward or Lose, You say Its about Salvation but scripture says

If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.



How Can rest be Work, I think you don't understand what works are...



Oh that explains it....Not



Without the shedding of Blood there is no remission of Sins.... Everything you said Is From Christ why not Give Thanks instead of pointing to Self and the Flesh

O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
It's like you didn't read a word of my post.

Eternal security is about self. "What if I'm not saved?" "What if Christ isn't actually able to faithfully complete the good work that He's begun in me?" It's faithless.
 

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It's like you didn't read a word of my post.

Eternal security is about self. "What if I'm not saved?" "What if Christ isn't actually able to faithfully complete the good work that He's begun in me?" It's faithless.

No its not in self if your security is in Jesus? If you think Christ isn't actually able to faithfully complete the good work that He's begun in you, your faith Isn't in Jesus
 

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No its not in self if your security is in Jesus? If you think Christ isn't actually able to faithfully complete the good work that He's begun in you, your faith Isn't in Jesus
But you say that as soon as the work begins, it's over. Make up your mind.
 

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@HisLife

So you do not believe this scripture?

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

And it is clear you are responding with emotion, not a sound mind. Because you falsely accuse me of being my own savior. Ridiculous!

Heres a verse that should get you going

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 1:7-9 KJVS
[7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. [8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

It is clear from the full context of this scripture that those who are deceived have not walked in the light and have not been cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ.

I have had my sins cleansed because I have believed the gospel and walk in the light as he is in the light.

The verse that should get you going is this one:

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin ...and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
 
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So you do not believe this scripture?

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

And it is clear you are responding with emotion, not a sound mind. Because you falsely accuse me of being my own savior. Ridiculous!



1 John 1:7-9 KJVS
[7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. [8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

It is clear from the full context of this scripture that those who are deceived have not walked in the light and have not been cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ.

I have had my sins cleansed because I have believed the gospel and walk in the light as he is in the light.

The verse that should get you going is this one:

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin ...and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

It says what it says you add your own context

I believe Scripture but I don't believe you can rightly divide Scripture, you cant do greater things Than Jesus but Jesus Taught 3 years the church period has been going over 2000 years like I said you cant see past yourself

That verse doesn't get me going it explains you, It says Sin not sins you Preach another Gospel that isn't 1 Corinthians 15 so it applies to you

But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
 

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I believe we are made Perfect in Christ



No ye of little Faith You cant Walk Perfectly As Jesus Did, When I see you I see filthy Rags

We are made perfect in Christ, but are not able to walk perfectly.

Do you not see the contradiction in your statements?

As for me wearing filthy rags, thank you for the compliment.

And may the Lord abundantly bless you and receive you as a son.

Before the Lord, the clothing that I wear is fine linen, which is the righteousness of saints (Revelation 19:8 (kjv)).

Of course I know that in my flesh I am the chief of sinners.

Wow can't Believe you said Yes you can, You think you have become perfect and sinless and have become your own Saviour, I have heard people like you exist, You cant see The context of Scripture Because you're blinded by yourself, You're faking it or fooling yourself, Most should see right through you fake persona, Heres a verse that should get you going

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

The doctrine of entire sanctification dictates, not that sin is eradicated from us; but that it is rendered dead within us (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).

Thus 1 John 1:8 and 1 John 3:9, 1 John 3:6 w/ 1 John 2:17 do not contradict one another.
 

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We are made perfect in Christ, but are not able to walk perfectly.

Do you not see the contradiction in your statements?

As for me wearing filthy rags, thank you for the compliment.

And may the Lord abundantly bless you and receive you as a son.

Before the Lord, the clothing that I wear is fine linen, which is the righteousness of saints (Revelation 19:8 (kjv)).

Of course I know that in my flesh I am the chief of sinners.

There is no contradiction, We Still Have Flesh that is at war with the spirit, News for you You are still on earth, I don't Know your Lord You don't Mention Jesus Christ Your Lord keeps you in bondage and makes you speak Lies in Hypocrisy, Tells you to accuse the brethren, don't quote your And may the Lord abundantly bless you and receive you as a son rubbish you pull out when you don't get your way, Your tactics get old Fast
 
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There is no contradiction, We Still Have Flesh that is at war with the spirit, News for you You are still on earth, I don't Know your Lord You don't Mention Jesus Christ Your Lord keeps you in bondage and makes you speak Lies in Hypocrisy, Tells you to accuse the brethren, don't quote your And may the Lord abundantly bless you and receive you as a son rubbish you pull out when you don't get your way, Your tactics get old Fast
You've got some nerve for a newb.
 
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