revturmoil
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Feel free to quote any reputable historian. Pick one, and show where there is a Median empire sandwiched between the Babylonian and Medo/Persian (under Cyrus the Great).
I have. The historian I quote is Daniel of the bible. One that you refuse to listen to since your faith is in the secularist.
It's not that difficult to see that Darius conquered Babylon and ruled it for a short while. The Median Empire was smaller and shortlived and is the inferior kingdom. It is also explained in Daniel 8 as the smaller horn that came up first.
Your argument is totally debunked by the simple to understand scripture verses in Daniel, Isaiah, and Jeremiah. The info I posted from Wiki was what you asked for! You said that you had never seen any one interpret the inferior kingdom of Daniel 2 as the Medes. That theory is older than the one you believe in. Your bible prophecy experts and scholars have misled you.
You are the one that said,
I also challenge you to provide any historical authority which substantiates your claim of an independent Median Empire, and independent Persian Empire which fits between the Babylonian and Grecian Empires,
Do you consider the bible a historical book?
You have a mountain of scriptural evidence working against you.
In Isaiah 13, God say's He would stir up the Mede's against Babylon. Not the Persian's!
Daniel 5 quotes Darius the Mede as the one who "took" Babylon at the age of 62.
Daniel, Isaiah's, and Jeremiah's prophecies ascribe the conquest and destruction of Babylon to the Medes. NOT THE PERSIANS!
Daniel 5:31
"And Darius the Median took the kingdom, (Babylon) being about threescore and two years old."
Isaiah 13:17
"Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, ie.(Babylon)
Jeremiah 51:11 Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: the LORD hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple.
You also said,
*Please do not cite others which skew the truth as you are doing. A simple Wikipedia should suffice.
Where are you comming from??? I never quoted anyone or anything other than GODS WORD!
I don't like to quote Wiki if I don't need to. God's Word is very clear that the Medes conquered Babylon and I consider it unnecessary to quote anything or anyone else. So I granted your wishes anyway.
From Wiki...
Another view has been more popular among Jewish scholars, at least as far back as Flavius Josephus, and has support from 20th century Biblical scholars such as John J. CollinsHYPERLINK \l "cite_note-3"[4] as well as conservative Christian scholars such as H. H. Rowley, Gurney, Lucas, and Walton.[5]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-5"[6]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-lucas-6"[7] The proposed sequence is:
The gold head - Babylon
The silver breast and arms - Media
The copper belly and thighs - Persia
The iron legs - Greece
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_2
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You said,
The problem with false doctrines is they supercede both Scripture and History. And you epitomize that circumstance.
Well then stop believing in false doctrine and change your mind! Your problem is that you allow secular history to supercede biblical history. You don't like that about 10 verses in the bible debunk your theory, so you blame everything except yourself! Rather than admit that the bible proves you wrong on this issue you continue on your unbiblical rant.
The following verses alone debunk your theories!
You said Darius was the last king of Babylon. You said that Cyrus conquered Babylon.
Daniel 5:30 ¶In that night was Belshazzar the king of the Chaldeans slain.
31 And Darius the Median took the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old.
Daniel 6:1 ¶It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;
If you like I can break down these verses and spoon feed them to you but my guess is that you will continue to remain in denial.
I'm about spent trying to convince you on this very simple issue. The Word of God is abosolutely clear and that should be enough. But if you want to go against God's Word and continue on making a fool of yourself on a public forum...go right ahead!
What's this "to all" stuff? I thought it was you and I discussing this. I suppose your just trying to appease your 'listening audience' after I expose your explicit blunders.