Rome's 7 0F 10 Hills

[precepts]

Rome is the last kingdom of the World, the fourth and fifth kingdoms of Daniels prophecy, and must be exposed. So here's the evidence that most Christians don't know:

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talkedwith me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. Quote:Legendary kings of Rome



Wikipedia's account of the 7 kings of early Rome:

Reign of Romulus
Romulus was not only Rome's first king but also the city's founder. In 753 B.C., Romulus began building the city upon the Palatine Hill. After founding Rome, he invited criminals, runaway slaves, exiles, and other undesirables by granting them asylum. In this manner, Romulus populated five of the seven hills of Rome. To provide his citizens with wives, Romulus invited the neighboring Sabine tribe to a festival where he abducted the Sabine women and brought them back to Rome (remembered as The Rape of the Sabine Women). After the ensuing war with the Sabines, Romulus brought the Sabines and Romans under one ruler.

Romulus divided the people of Rome between the able bodied men and those unfit for combat. The fighting men became the Roman legions consisting of 6,000 infantry and 600 cavalry. The rest became the people of Rome and out of these people, Romulus selected 100 of the most noble men to serve as senators in an advisory council for the king, the Roman Senate. These men he called patricians, and their descendants would become the republican nobles and elite. With the union between the Romans and Sabines, Romulus added another 100 members to the Senate of Sabine birth.


Growth of the city region during the kingdomAlso under Romulus' reign, the Comitia Curiata was instituted. To form the basis of the Comitia Curiata, Romulus divided the people of Rome into three tribes: one for Romans, a second for Sabines, and a third for all others. Each tribe elected ten representatives, known as curiae, to form a single voting body. Romulus would convene the Curiate and lay proposals from either himself or the Senate before the Curiate for ratification. All proposals passed before the Comitia Curiata were either unanimously supported or unanimously defeated as the majority of curiate voting was viewed as the opinion of the entire Curiate.

After 38 years as king of Rome, Romulus had fought in several successful wars, expanding the control of Rome over all of Latium and many of the surrounding areas. Romulus also instituted the augurs as part of the Roman religion. Romulus would be remembered as early Rome's greatest conqueror and as one of the men with the most pietas in Roman history. After his death at the age of 54, Romulus was deified as the war god Quirinus and served not only as one of the three major gods of Rome but also as the deified likeness of the city of Rome.


Reign of Numa Pompilius
According to Early History of Rome by Livy, Numa first gained reputation as a man of justice, and after Romulus' strange and mysterious death, the kingship fell to Numa Pompilius. Another reason was that he was from the Sabine sector, maybe to make amends of the old crime, he was appointed the king.

Though first unwilling to serve as king, his father convinced him to take up the position as a service to the gods. Celebrated for his natural wisdom, Numa’s reign was marked by peace and prosperity.

Numa reformed the Roman calendar by adjusting it for the solar and lunar year as well as by adding the months of January and February to bring the total number of months to twelve. Numa instituted several of Rome's religious rituals including the Salii, and a flamen maioris to serve as the chief priest to Quirinus, the Flamen Quirinalis. Numa organized the area in and around Rome into districts for easier management. He is also credited with the organization of Rome’s first occupational guilds.

Numa is remembered as the most religious of the kings (surpassing even Romulus), and during his reign, he introduced the flamens, the vestal virgins of Rome, the pontiffs and the College of Pontiffs. Under his administration, temples to Vesta and Janus were constructed. Also during his reign, it was said that a shield from Jupiter fell from the sky with the fate of Rome written on it. Numa ordered eleven copies of the shield to be created and these shields became sacred to the Romans.

As a peace-loving and gentle man, Numa planted ideas of meekness and justice within the minds of the Romans. The doors to the Temple of Janus were never open a single day as Numa waged no wars during his entire four decades of rule. He would reign for 41 years as king and would die a natural, peaceful death.


Reign of Tullus Hostilius
Tullus Hostilius was much like Romulus in his warlike behavior and completely unlike Numa in his lack of respect for the gods. Tullus waged war against Alba Longa, Fidenae, and Veii, thus granting Rome even greater territory and power. It was during Tullus' reign that the city of Alba Longa was completely destroyed and Tullus enslaved the population and sent them back to Rome.

Tullus desired war so much that he even waged another war against the Sabines. With the coming of Tullus’ reign, the Romans lost their desire for peace. Tullus fought so many wars that he completely neglected the worship of the gods. Legend has it that because of this, a plague infected the city, and Tullus himself was among the infected. When Tullus called upon Jupiter and begged assistance, Jupiter responded with a bolt of lightning that burned the king and his house to ashes.

Despite his war-like nature, Tullus Hostilius selected and represented the third group of people to make up Rome’s patrician class consisting of those who had come to Rome seeking asylum and a new life. He also constructed a new home for the Senate, the Curia, which survived for over 500 years after his death. His reign lasted for 31 years.


Reign of Ancus Marcius
Following Tullus’ mysterious death, the Romans elected a peaceful and religious king in his place. The king they elected was Numa’s grandson, Ancus Marcius. Much like his grandfather, Ancus did little to expand the borders of Rome and only fought war when his territories needed defending. He also built Rome's first prison on the Capitoline Hill.

During his reign, Janiculum Hill on the western bank was fortified to further protect Rome, and the first bridge across the Tiber River was built by Ancus. He would also found Rome’s port of Ostia on the Tyrrhenian Sea and establish Rome’s first salt works. During his reign, Rome's size increased as Ancus used diplomacy to peacefully join some of the smaller surrounding cities into alliance with Rome. Through this method, he completed the conquest of the Latins and relocated them to the Aventine Hill, thus forming the plebeian class of Romans.

He would die a natural death, like his grandfather before him, after 25 years as king, and would be remembered as one of Rome’s greatest pontiffs.


Reign of Tarquinius Priscus
Tarquinius Priscus was not only Rome’s fifth king but also the first of Etruscan birth (through Greek ancestry). After emigrating to Rome, he found favor with Ancus, who later adopted him as his son. Upon becoming king, he waged wars against the Sabines and Etruscans, which doubled the size of Rome and brought great treasures to the city.

One of his first reforms was to add 100 new members to the Senate from the conquered Etruscan tribes, bringing the total number of senators to 300. He used the treasures Rome had acquired from the conquests to build great monuments for Rome. Among these were Rome’s great sewer systems, the Cloaca Maxima, which he used to drain the swamp-like area between the Seven Hills of Rome. In the swamp’s place, he began what would become the Roman Forum. He also instituted the founding of the Roman games.

The most famous of his great building projects is the Circus Maximus, a giant stadium used for chariot races which, to this day, remains the largest stadium in the world[citation needed]. Priscus followed up the Circus Maximus by beginning a temple-fortress to the god Jupiter upon the Capitoline Hill. Unfortunately, he was killed after 38 years as king at the hands of agents of Ancus Marcius’ sons before it could be completed. His reign is best remembered for introducing the Roman symbols of military and civil offices as well as the introduction of the Roman Triumph, being the first Roman to celebrate one.


Reign of Servius Tullius
The City of the Four Regions, roughly corresponding to the city limits during the later kingdom. The division is traditionally, though probably incorrectly, attributed to Servius Tullius.Following Priscus’s death, his son-in-law Servius Tullius succeeded him to the throne, the second king of Etruscan birth to rule Rome. Like his father-in-law before him, Servius fought successful wars against the Etruscans. He used the treasure from the campaigns to build the first walls to fully encompass the Seven Hills of Rome, the pomerium. He also brought about reforms within the Roman army.

He was renowned for implementing a new constitution for the Romans, further developing the citizen classes. He instituted the world’s first census which divided the people of Rome into five economic classes, and formed the Century Assembly. He also used his census to divide the people within Rome into four urban tribes based upon location within the city, establishing the Tribal Assembly. His reign is also given credit for building the temple to Diana on the Aventine Hill.

Servius’ reforms brought about a major change in Roman life: voting rights were now based upon economic wealth, transferring much of the power into the hands of the Roman elite. However, as time passed, Servius increasingly favored the most impoverished people in order to obtain favors from the plebs. His legislation was very distasteful to the patrician order. Tullius’s reign of 44 years was brought to an end after his assassination in a conspiracy led by his own daughter Tullia and her husband Tarquinius Superbus.


Reign of Tarquinius Superbus
The seventh and final king of Rome was Tarquinius Superbus. As the son of Priscus and the son-in-law of Servius, Tarquinius was also of Etruscan birth. It was also during his reign that the Etruscans reached their apex of power. More than other kings before him, Tarquinius used violence, murder, and terrorism to maintain control over Rome. He repealed many of the earlier constitutional reforms set down by his predecessors.

Tarquinius removed and destroyed all the Sabine shrines and altars from the Tarpeian Rock, enraging the people of Rome. A sex scandal brought down the king. Allegedly, Tarquinius allowed his son, Sextus Tarquinius, to rape Lucretia, a patrician Roman. Sextus had threatened Lucretia that if she refused to copulate with him, he would kill a slave, then kill her, and have the bodies discovered together, thus creating a gigantic conspiracy. Lucretia then told her relatives about the threat, and subsequently committed suicide to avoid any such conspiracy. Lucretia’s kinsman, Lucius Junius Brutus (ancestor to Marcus Brutus), summoned the Senate and had Tarquinius and the monarchy expelled from Rome in 510 BC.

After Tarquinius’ expulsion, the Senate voted to never again allow the rule of a king and reformed Rome into a republican government in 509 BC. Many years later during the Republican period, this strong Roman opposition to kings was used by the Senate as a rationalization for the murder of the agrarian reformer Tiberius Gracchus. Lucius Junius Brutus and Lucius Tarquinius Collatinus, a member of the Tarquin family and Lucretia's widower, went on to become one of the first consuls of Rome’s new government. This new government would lead the Romans to conquer most of the Mediterranean world and would survive for the next 500 years until the rise of Julius Caesar and Caesar Augustus. Even then, the trappings of the Republic were not entirely done away with; the Republic would survive in a debased form until the Dominate.

These were the first seven kings of Rome but not Caesars. The Caesars begun with Augusta (the first king) to Nerva (the eleventh king) which is another story, Nerva being the last Italian Emperor by birth or blood and the last Caesar. The Caesars then became the second in command to the non- Italian emperors .
Based on Rev 17:10 "five are fallen and one is..", and the time of John's message, we know that these seven aren't the seven of which the beast becomes the eightth.
Please note that Nerva(11th) plucked up the three Flavian(8th-10th) Emperors/Dynasty that ended the Antonian Caesar's dynasty(1st-7th) and started his own Antonine Dynasty, eventhough he instituted Flavian worship.
It's also interesting to note that four of the ten hills were made into one hill (Quirinal Hill) for the rulers of Italy/Rome ("three of the ten horns plucked up"?) in the 16th century.
Rome is the final beast that will last to the end of the world.
Quote:Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom [are] ten kings [that] shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. Quote:Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Which is the city of Rome. The only remaining beast that had a great influence on Christ's doctrine that has influenced the world. False doctrine is Anti-Christ doctrine!




Wikipedia's

It was part of a group of hills that included Collis Latiaris, Mucialis (or Sanqualis), Salutaris. These are now lost due to building in the 16th century and later. According to Roman legend, the Quirinal Hill was the site of a small village of the Sabines, and king Titus Tatius would have lived there after the peace between Romans and Sabines. These Sabines had erected altars in the honour of their god Quirinus (naming the hill by this god).

Tombs have been discovered from the 8th century B.C. to the 7th century B.C. that confirm a likely presence of a Sabine settlement area; on the hill there was the tomb of Quirinus, that Lucius Papirius Cursor transformed into a temple for his triumph after the third Samnite war. Some authors consider it possible that the cult of the Capitoline Triad (Jove, Minerva, Juno) could have been celebrated here well before it became associated with the Capitoline Hill. The sanctuary of Flora, an Osco-sabine goddess, was here too.

In 446 BC, a temple was dedicated on the Quirinal in the honour of Semo Sancus Dius Fidius, and it is possible that this temple was erected over the ruins of another temple. Augustus, too, ordered the building of a temple, dedicated to Mars. On a slope of the Quirinal were the extensive gardens of Sallust.

The Quirinal Hill is where Constantine ordered the erection of his baths, the last thermae complex of imperial Rome. These are now lost, having been incorporated into Renaissance Rome, with only some drawings from the 16th century remaining.

In the Middle Ages the Torre delle Milizie and the convent of St. Peter and Domenic were built, and above Constantine's building was erected the Palazzo Rospigliosi; the two famous colossal marble statues of the "Horse Tamers", generally identified as the Dioscuri with horses, which now are in the Piazza Quirinale, were originally in this Palazzo. They gave to the Quirinal its medieval name Monte Cavallo which lingered into the nineteenth century, when the Quirinale was transformed beyond all recognition by urbanization of an expanding capital of a united Italy. In the same palazzo were also the two statues of river gods that Michelangelo moved to the steps of Palazzo Senatorio on the Capitoline Hill.


The Quirinal Hill is today identified with the Palazzo del Quirinale, the official residence of the President of the Italian Republic and one of the symbols of the State. Before the abolition of the Italian monarchy in 1946, it was the residence of the king of Italy, and before 1871 it was, as originally, the residence of the Pope.

The cool air of the Quirinal attracted aristocrats and papal families that built villas where the gardens of Sallust had been in antiquity. A visit to the villa of Cardinal Luigi d'Este in 1573 convinced Pope Gregory XIII to start the building of a summer residence the following year, in an area considered healthier than the Vatican Hill or Lateran: his architects were Flaminio Ponzio and Ottaviano Nonni, called Mascherino; under Pope Sixtus V works were continued by Domenico Fontana (the main facade on the Piazza) and Carlo Maderno, and by Gian Lorenzo Bernini for Pope Clement XII. Gardens were conceived by Maderno. In the 18th century, Ferdinando Fuga built the long wing called the Manica Lunga, which stretched 360 meters along via del Quirinale. In front lies the sloping Piazza del Quirinale where the pair of gigantic Roman marble "Horse Tamers" representing Castor and Pollux, found in the Baths of Constantine, were re-erected in 1588. In Piranesi's view the vast open space is unpaved. The Palazzo del Quirinale was the residence of the popes until 1870, though Napoleon deported both Pius VI and Pius VII to France, and declared the Quirinale an imperial palace. When Rome was united to the Kingdom of Italy, the Quirinale became the residence of the kings until 1946.

Today the Palazzo hosts the offices and the apartments of the Head of State, and in its long side along via XX Settembre (the so-called Manica Lunga), the apartments that were furnished for each visit of foreign monarchs or dignitaries.

Several collections are in this Palazzo, including tapestries, paintings, statues, old carriages (carrozze), watches, furniture, andporcelain.

In Piranesi's view, the palazzo on the right hand is the Palazzo della Sacra Consulta, originally a villa built upon the ruins of the Baths of Constantine which was adapted by Sixtus V as a civil and criminal court. The present façade was built in 1732–1734 by the architect Ferdinando Fuga on the orders of Pope Clement XII Corsini, whose coat-of-arms, trumpeted by two Fames, still surmounts the roofline balustrade, as in Piranesi's view. Formerly it housed Mussolini's ministry of colonial affairs.

 

[omnicopy]

What church you from?

 

[precepts]

I was raised Moravian but base on the definition of the anti-christ spirit, all but one denomination is anti-christ. Denominal Christianity in my opinion is anti-christ-ianity.

Christ said if they were of us, they would of remained. Sound doctrine is Christ's doctrine, not ism ans schisms. :mellow:

 

[omnicopy]

Well, at least you have that going for you!

What is Moravian? anyway? Never heard of it.

What you type goes way over my head and I'm a rather intelligent person.

Truly, does the "least" servant really type things that are so impossible for others to understand? Is that the way of a true servant to do that to others? What is that? A spirit of arrogance?

I don't think the keys players at the end here miss the bus at all, rather it says we will understand everything at the end.

Haven't you heard that knowledge puffs up but love builds up?

Kim

 

[precepts]

Omni's

Well, at least you have that going for you!

What is Moravian? anyway? Never heard of it.

What you type goes way over my head and I'm a rather intelligent person.

Truly, does the "least" servant really type things that are so impossible for others to understand? Is that the way of a true servant to do that to others? What is that? A spirit of arrogance?

I don't think the keys players at the end here miss the bus at all, rather it says we will understand everything at the end.

Haven't you heard that knowledge puffs up but love builds up?

If one is to test the spirits to see if they're of God, I would say you're not base on the info given. We are not all innocent, if we were, all would be saved! The marked are already here and have been from the beginning. B)

 

[omnicopy]

Just making an observation, Precepts, that's all.

I don't talk like that or post like that. I usually talk simple for people to understand.

Kim

 

[precepts]

Judge not, less you be judged. B) Who made you judge?

 

[omnicopy]

I think the bible says we can judge within the church.

But, man, can't you say what you want to say a little bit simpler than that? I don't like reading that full lengthen page, good grief.

Don't people know to put shorter posts on? Really to each his own!

 

[precepts]

Seem's like you're a regular walking encyclopedia! Care to interpret Revelation?

 

[omnicopy]

Yeah, it's in the future so we don't really know. How's that?

 

[precepts]

Like I said, sound doctrine is Christ's doctrine. Go figure.

 

[omnicopy]

Try this:

II John Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abaideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Precepts,

Many run to and fro talking about the end time events on this Internet and few even understand what the falling away is or how bad it is. I haven't even been taught the true doctrine of the end time events yet, duh! That is yet to come.

It's being taught to us here at the end precept upon precept. Do you understand the precepts about the falling away yet????? IF NOT, how can you go on to understand the rest?

Kim

 

[precepts]

Let's hope you don't run out of oil before the end. Maybe you can answer this, why's Judas called the son of perdition? All these verse you're quoting are 2,000yrs old. There's no 2,000yr old prophecy in the bible.

 

[veteran]

Sounds close to the seminary doctrine of "Full Preterism" to me.

precepts,

Do you believe Christ's second coming is yet future? If not future, then when is it, or was it?

Do you believe most, if not all, of the Book of Revelation is past history?

Do you believe the "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20 is still future, and if not, then for what time is it?

Do you believe the Catholic pope is the antichrist?

Do you believe the Jews have been wronged by the Roman Church?

 

[precepts]

Sounds like you're trying to get personal because you're offend by the truth. Christians aren't offended by truth.

 

[veteran]

Sounds close to the seminary doctrine of "Full Preterism" to me.

precepts,

Do you believe Christ's second coming is yet future? If not future, then when is it, or was it?

Do you believe most, if not all, of the Book of Revelation is past history?

Do you believe the "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20 is still future, and if not, then for what time is it?

Do you believe the Catholic pope is the antichrist?

Do you believe the Jews have been wronged by the Roman Church?

Those are not personal issues, they're doctrinal issues. Many on the Preterist and Historicist views wrestle with those issues.

 

[Tsigano]

Actually there was seven kings of Rome. then it was a republic where there was no kings of Rome but control was done by a senate of the people. Then there was a rule of three.

After the seven kings there was a considerable amount of time where Rome was a republic (no kings). This came to an end when the senate's rule was ended when a law known as the Lex Titia was passed on November 27, 43 BC handing rule over to three men ( Octavian, Mark Antony & Lepidus) for a period of ten years. This rule last two seasons but came to a bloody end when the young Octavian cleverly brought the other two down and set himself up as the first ever Roman Emperor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_Titia

Therefore it was 7 kings. followed by no kings. followed by three kings followed by one Emperor.

Emperor Augustus was a very cunning man and handed all running and control back to the senate making them believe they were in control so technically he wasn't a ruler as he didn't concern himself with the day to day running of the empire like the previous authorities had done although he did have overall authority if he choosed. Emperor Augustus was the most powerful man the world has ever seen and Rome during his reign was at its greatest . Augustus was made a god by the Roman senate and was also made a pharaoh by the Egyptian. Romans throughout the empire were made to worship him.

Christ was also born during the time of Augustus. Surely no coincidence here?

In the line of Augustus was Emperor Constantine I (Constantine the Great) who took control of the Christian church and established the Catholic Church by placing a man (the Pope) as the supposed head & guide of the Church of Christ. Other Christians refused his rule but kept Jesus as the head and the Holy Spirit as their guide.

The last Roman Emperor was Constantine XI Palaiologos who reigned in the Eastern remnants of the Roman Empire (also known as the Byzantine Empire) surrendered and handed his control over to Islam. Islam comes from Muhammad was is in the lineage of Ishmael (the act born through doubt via Satan speaking through a woman - sound familiar?).

There have been German & French kings who have tried to re-establish the Roman Empire since its fall to Islam but not to as great an effect (The Holy Roman Empire). The kings of the German Roman Empire was the ones responsible for starting the crusades in the name of the pope. Hitler also tried to establish the German Roman Empire with his 3rd Reich. The pope at the time was supportive to Hitler. The man responsible for trying to wipe out the Jews and is responsible for a lot of Jewish hatred even today.

Most non-Christian today still respect and see Catholics as the original Church of Christ and see the pope as the head of the Christian church.
Little do they know the teaching and life of Jesus, John the Baptist, the disciples and the early church and the receiving of the Holy Spirit even though the new testament books such as the book of acts describe the way of the early church in great detail.

Muslims believe that the end days will come with a Holy union between an end time prophet (called "Mahdi" who will be a descendant of Muhammad - a line from Abraham) and an end time Jesus and between them half of Christians will join Islam and the other half will be the enemy - sounds like the false prophet and the false Christ of Revelations. The Quran actually has verse telling its readers to "behead / strike the neck of" non-believers - again Revelations mentions those beheaded for Jesus.

 

[revturmoil]

Actually there was seven kings of Rome. then it was a republic where there was no kings of Rome but control was done by a senate of the people. Then there was a rule of three.

After the seven kings there was a considerable amount of time where Rome was a republic (no kings). This came to an end when the senate's rule was ended when a law known as the Lex Titia was passed on November 27, 43 BC handing rule over to three men ( Octavian, Mark Antony & Lepidus) for a period of ten years. This rule last two seasons but came to a bloody end when the young Octavian cleverly brought the other two down and set himself up as the first ever Roman Emperor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_Titia

Therefore it was 7 kings. followed by no kings. followed by three kings followed by one Emperor.

Emperor Augustus was a very cunning man and handed all running and control back to the senate making them believe they were in control so technically he wasn't a ruler as he didn't concern himself with the day to day running of the empire like the previous authorities had done although he did have overall authority if he choosed. Emperor Augustus was the most powerful man the world has ever seen and Rome during his reign was at its greatest . Augustus was made a god by the Roman senate and was also made a pharaoh by the Egyptian. Romans throughout the empire were made to worship him.

Christ was also born during the time of Augustus. Surely no coincidence here?

In the line of Augustus was Emperor Constantine I (Constantine the Great) who took control of the Christian church and established the Catholic Church by placing a man (the Pope) as the supposed head & guide of the Church of Christ. Other Christians refused his rule but kept Jesus as the head and the Holy Spirit as their guide.

The last Roman Emperor was Constantine XI Palaiologos who reigned in the Eastern remnants of the Roman Empire (also known as the Byzantine Empire) surrendered and handed his control over to Islam. Islam comes from Muhammad was is in the lineage of Ishmael (the act born through doubt via Satan speaking through a woman - sound familiar?).

There have been German & French kings who have tried to re-establish the Roman Empire since its fall to Islam but not to as great an effect (The Holy Roman Empire). The kings of the German Roman Empire was the ones responsible for starting the crusades in the name of the pope. Hitler also tried to establish the German Roman Empire with his 3rd Reich. The pope at the time was supportive to Hitler. The man responsible for trying to wipe out the Jews and is responsible for a lot of Jewish hatred even today.

Most non-Christian today still respect and see Catholics as the original Church of Christ and see the pope as the head of the Christian church.
Little do they know the teaching and life of Jesus, John the Baptist, the disciples and the early church and the receiving of the Holy Spirit even though the new testament books such as the book of acts describe the way of the early church in great detail.

Muslims believe that the end days will come with a Holy union between an end time prophet (called "Mahdi" who will be a descendant of Muhammad - a line from Abraham) and an end time Jesus and between them half of Christians will join Islam and the other half will be the enemy - sounds like the false prophet and the false Christ of Revelations. The Quran actually has verse telling its readers to "behead / strike the neck of" non-believers - again Revelations mentions those beheaded for Jesus.

The biblical evidence supports Islam as the origin of both beast. But Christians are so indoctrinated that they just won't change their minds.

I've asked several people several times to post one verse that implicates Rome in any end time prophecy. Not one person has quoted one. Yet they still adhere to the revived Roman Empire theory...and that's the way the devil wants it!

There's not one person on this forum who has Daniel 2 or 7 figured out. Most have accepted the status quo theories of the prophecy experts.
And those theories can easily be proven wrong. But thay don't care about the scriptural evidence. Most of them believe they already have the truth.

 

[veteran]

The biblical evidence supports Islam as the origin of both beast. But Christians are so indoctrinated that they just won't change their minds.

I've asked several people several times to post one verse that implicates Rome in any end time prophecy. Not one person has quoted one. Yet they still adhere to the revived Roman Empire theory...and that's the way the devil wants it!

There's not one person on this forum who has Daniel 2 or 7 figured out. Most have accepted the status quo theories of the prophecy experts.
And those theories can easily be proven wrong. But thay don't care about the scriptural evidence. Most of them believe they already have the truth.

You've already been shown, but just keep regurgitating the same old idea.

Dan 2:32-35
32 This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,
33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
(KJV)

The succession of beast kingdoms depends upon the next ones defeating the previous one.

Babylon was first, it was defeated by the Medo-Persian empire.

The Medo-Persian empire was defeated by the Macedonian empire under Alexander

The Macedonian empire broke into four branches and was defeated by the Roman empire

That was history.

That order:
1. Babylon
2. Medo-Perisa
3. Macedonia (Greece)
4. Roman

The 4th piece of the statue has "legs of iron" - Roman empire

The 5th piece of feet of ten toes is also made up partially of 'iron', mixed with clay. And it must be standing when that Stone comes to smite it at its feet. That Stone represents Christ and His Kingdom He will setup for ever after that smiting of the feet.

It's simple. That link between the "iron" material is with both the 4th and 5th beast kingdoms.

 

[Tsigano]

The biblical evidence supports Islam as the origin of both beast. But Christians are so indoctrinated that they just won't change their minds.

I've asked several people several times to post one verse that implicates Rome in any end time prophecy. Not one person has quoted one. Yet they still adhere to the revived Roman Empire theory...and that's the way the devil wants it!

There's not one person on this forum who has Daniel 2 or 7 figured out. Most have accepted the status quo theories of the prophecy experts.
And those theories can easily be proven wrong. But thay don't care about the scriptural evidence. Most of them believe they already have the truth.

No where does it mention Islam as the end time beast. The major reference to Islam is the promise to Abraham about Ishmael in Genesis. The only other reference is the second beast (beast of the land - from the seed of Abraham) having two horn and looking like a lamb but speaking like a dragon. Islam has two divisions (Shiite & Sunni). It also acts like a religion of peace quoting "salaam" all the time yet it preaches verses of hate and war to all thing non-Islamic. Verses in the Quran like "strike the neck (behead) the infidel (non-believer)". Islam was also first spread through pillage, war and fear whereas the message of the early church spread was through self-sacrifice, peace and love.

With regards to the beast in Daniel and also the beast in Revelations which is the beast from the sea (gentiles / the many nations of the world) then yes Daniel does make it very clear that it is Rome.

The first reference is the dream Daniel translates for the King that confirms that Babylon is the head of gold. The dream that Daniel has is therefore the empires ruling the Holy land from his life time. We know through history that Babylon fell to the Persians & Medes. They then fell to Greece which fell into four separate empires as Alexander died. The next empire was then Rome. Rome was the empire who was in rule at the time of Christ. The biggest message behind this prophecy was not so much the end though it does cover this but confirming the time at which Christ will come - during the empire of Rome.

Rome had seven kings (the Hebrew word actually means ruler / person of authority). It then became a republic for a time where it had no kings. The republic officially came to an end as rule was handed over to three kings (the Hebrew word actually means ruler / person of authority). This rule of three was brought down by Augustus who was the first emperor of Rome and it was during his lifetime that Christ Jesus came. The last emperor of Rome surrendered and handed his authority over to Islam.

From Rome we also have the whore of Babylon - the Catholic church. The Catholic Church sits on many waters (many nations). Every previous reference to a prostitute is a reference to God's people mixing God's word with the things of the world. The Bible says for God's people to come out from her in the times at the end.

Muslims are waiting for an end time alliance between Jesus (the false Christ) & Mahdi (end time Muslim prophet) who will bring about a one world order. Half of Christians (by name and not Spiritual Baptism) will become under Islam and the other half will become the enemy.

Look it up on Islamic sites or Wikipedia to see if I am correct. Search Mahdi. The battle will be somewhere near Iraq or Syria and the end time Jesus will join the Mahdi in battle and apparently bring about (one world) order throughout mankind

Something else to consider about the first beast is it say he was, then was not and is again. meaning this beast will come around. Then it will go away and it will reappear in some form or another. Notice in Daniel it was seven kings then three replaced by one. This beast is mentioned again in Revelations 12. Read the verse to see the same beast was there at the time of the birth of Christ and also chased the Jews into the wilderness. In Revelations 13 the beast just has ten kings - in Rev 17 it says they are all waiting for a kingdom. A new form of the Roman Empire will appear with a ten king rule - all at one time.