Who founded your church?

[theefaith]

But if each person gets to decide for themselves which popes are valid, doesn't that effectively undermine the authority of the Catholic Church, in general? (Serious question, not provocation) :)

no I don’t decide, I don’t make decrees
I only have questions and doubts based on reason
I still must follow his teaching and obey as long it does not contradict catholic dogma or teaching

 

[BarneyFife]

no I don’t decide, I don’t make decrees
I only have questions and doubts based on reason
I still must follow his teaching and obey as long it does not contradict catholic dogma or teaching

Very, very confusing, TF.

 

[theefaith]

Very, very confusing, TF.

more power to ya! She’s always good for eleven hat fulls, thanks for not giving me an arrest, we believe in warning people first, 10/4

 

[BarneyFife]

You can’t make a silk purse from a sows ear, who you calling a creature, you mean it romena, my chosen woman

hey bother figure leave my mother figure alone

Here's a hoot: I'm watching TAGS right now on Amazon Prime Video and it says "RATED TV-NR Moderate foul language." Must be talking about Barney when he says: "Doggone you, Rube Sloane!!!" rotfl :cool:

 

[BarneyFife]

more power to ya! She’s always good for eleven hat fulls, thanks for not giving me an arrest, we believe in warning people first, 10/4

"I'm sorry, I already 10-4ed ye."
Neeetah... Wa-a-a Neeetah
A slender, high-spirited person needs a pick-me-up late in the day.
Boy, giraffes are selfish. Just run around lookin' after number one. Gettin' hit by lightning.

 

[theefaith]

Here's a hoot: I'm watching TAGS right now on Amazon Prime Video and it says "RATED TV-NR Moderate foul language." Must be talking about Barney when he says: "Doggone you, Rube Sloane!!!" rotfl :cool:

I watch on there too, it’s those Morrison sisters, is this national potato week?

 

[theefaith]

"I'm sorry, I already 10-4ed ye."
Neeetah... Wa-a-a Neeetah
A slender, high-spirited person needs a pick-me-up late in the day.
Boy, giraffes are selfish. Just run around lookin' after number one. Gettin' hit by lightning.

mr cookie
This is genuine whiplash cord!
There goes a happy nut!

 

[rockytopva]

One night after revival in my teenage years I felt a voice say 'put the book down' while laying in bed I am like what? The voice said again 'put the book down.' When I finally put the book down the Spirit of God began to question me 'Where is all that hate, strife, and bad feelings?'

I am like... Oh my Gosh... The Holy Spirit is speaking to me too! So brothers and sisters, I am not testifying of the Lord God almighty because of reason... But because he came into my heart and communed with me. Because the conversion was genuine I have no desire but to finish my years Christian, thankful I received it in the old Philadelphian way. I have also took great delight in that teaching, even reading the complete John Bunyan (who I consider Philadelphian) library at the Va Tech library. John Wesley in a letter once wrote...

LONDON
September 20, 1788


My Dear Brother:

There is, indeed, a wide difference between the relation wherein you stand to the Americans and the relation wherein I stand to all the Methodists. You are the elder brother of the American Methodists: I am under God the father of the whole family. Therefore I naturally care for you all in a manner no other persons can do. Therefore I in a measure provide for you all; for the supplies which Dr. Coke provides for you, he could not provide were it not for me, were it not that I not only permit him to collect but also support him in so doing.

But in one point, my dear brother, I am a little afraid both the Doctor and you differ from me. I study to be little: you study to be great. I creep; you strut along. I found a school: you a college! [Cokesbury College] nay, and call it after your own names! 0 beware, do not seek to be something! Let me be nothing, and "Christ be all in all!"

One instance of this, of your greatness, has given me great concern. How can you, how dare you suffer yourself to be called Bishop? I shudder, I start at the very thought! Men may call me a knave or a fool, a rascal, a scoundrel, and I am content; but they shall never by my consent call me Bishop! For my sake, for God's sake, for Christ's sake put a full end to this! Let the Presbyterians (and Catholics) do what they please, but let the Methodists know their calling better.

Thus, my dear Franky (Francis Asbury), I have told you all that is in my heart. And let this, when I am no more seen, bear witness how sincerely I am Your affectionate friend and brother,

John Wesley

Along with John Wesley I take pleasure in that, “Men may call me a knave or a fool, a rascal, a scoundrel, and I am content!”

The Pentecostal Holiness arose from the Methodist church of the 1800's and the methods of service were exactly like the Methodist of that time. It would be nice to go back in time and sit with the old timers at the Merrimac Pentecostal Holiness church. Old Evans Linkous used to sit on the front pew and weep like a baby. And if he looked back to catch the amazed look in my eye he would weep, "The Holy Ghost! The Holy Ghost!" And point to all the souls blessed around the altar. To the old timers the religion was accompanied with a, "Joy Unspeakable and Full of Glory!" You can hear Dallas shouting in the background in the video below. Dallas, Evans, and the singer, Preacher Vaught, have all moved on to Glory.

There was also a spirit here in Virginia like in the old Walton reruns, in which my family would all "good night" us as we were all put to bed. The revival type atmosphere died away with the old World War II generation. The old WW2 generation used to encourage me in revival.The last words I can remember Dallas saying to me was, "There are no more revivals."

And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. - Matthew 24:12

I worry, because virtue is not knowledge, that the love, warmth, hope, and goodness will basically dissipate away.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oops you forgot to check with the Bible

Suffering Necessary part of Salvation!

Patience Implies suffering!

In order to bear fruit we must deny ourself, suffer, and die!

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Our principal means of dying is baptism!

Rom 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Romans 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?


More. Verses about suffering:

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Romans 5:4
And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

James 1:2-8
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

1 Peter 2:20
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

Why are you telling ME this?
I wasn't arguind against the necessity of suffering.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You don't think Pope Francis is valid?

He is a Sedevacantist, which is Latin for "empty chair". They believe tht the last "true" Pope was Pius XII.

Sedevacantist groups include, the Society of St. Pius V and Society of St. Pius X.
These are dissidents from Catholicism.

 

[Philip James]

mr cookie
This is genuine whiplash cord!
There goes a happy nut!

You guys have lost me...
Anyone with the gift of tongues can help??


Lol

Gloria in excelcis Deo!

 

[theefaith]

Why are you telling ME this?
I wasn't arguind against the necessity of suffering.

not you the apostles the other guy

 

[theefaith]

You guys have lost me...
Anyone with the gift of tongues can help??


Lol

Gloria in excelcis Deo!

sorry that’s an inside joke with Barney fife about some lines from the Andy Griffith show

 

[Renniks]

cos not everyone is in the true church or new covenant
All Jews, heretics, schismatics, and apostates are outside the ark of salvation!

I thought Jesus and the scriptures defined it Jn 10:16

All jews? Not. Of course not everyone who claims salvation is saved...so what? It doesn't change what I said.

 

[theefaith]

All jews? Not. Of course not everyone who claims salvation is saved...so what? It doesn't change what I said.

they must convert and choose Christ and his church thru baptism like everyone else, there welcome
Matt 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. (temple)

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.


1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

 

[theefaith]

The Pentecostal Holiness arose from the Methodist church of the 1800's and the methods of service were exactly like the Methodist of that time. It would be nice to go back in time and sit with the old timers at the Merrimac Pentecostal Holiness church. Old Evans Linkous used to sit on the front pew and weep like a baby. And if he looked back to catch the amazed look in my eye he would weep, "The Holy Ghost! The Holy Ghost!" And point to all the souls blessed around the altar. To the old timers the religion was accompanied with a, "Joy Unspeakable and Full of Glory!" You can hear Dallas shouting in the background in the video below. Dallas, Evans, and the singer, Preacher Vaught, have all moved on to Glory.

There was also a spirit here in Virginia like in the old Walton reruns, in which my family would all "good night" us as we were all put to bed. The revival type atmosphere died away with the old World War II generation. The old WW2 generation used to encourage me in revival.The last words I can remember Dallas saying to me was, "There are no more revivals."

And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. - Matthew 24:12

I worry, because virtue is not knowledge, that the love, warmth, hope, and goodness will basically dissipate away.

revival is not biblical or tent or camp meeting or Sunday school that’s just your tradition

 

[rockytopva]

revival is not biblical or tent or camp meeting or Sunday school that’s just your tradition

As a teenager I had fell in with my generation and that was where my care lay...

Attention
Appreciation
Acceptance

I moved in with my grandmother and ended up away from my former cares. I would end up farming and attending revivals at the local Pentecostal Holiness church. At the end of that summer we had a good revival in which the Lord seemed there in a mighty way. On reading the book, Run Baby Run, by Nikki Cruise, I felt a voice telling me to put the book down. I paused, and then continued again to read. The voice said again, Put the book down. I slept in my Grandmothers living room on an old fold away cot by the open living room door. The Katydids seemed to be singing very loud that night. There in my Grandmothers clean linens I heard the Spirit speak again, "Where is all the stress, worry and hatred?" In which, upon examining my heart, there was nothing there but pure beauty. I thought to myself. "Oh my! I got exactly what those people got!"

I knew nothing of the word ‘tradition’ but only knew that I had run into the divine nature. But I know after study that the Catholics would hate people to the point of burning them at the stake, which tradition I would never be interested in.

 

[DNB]

Soooooo, the Holy Spirit was WRONG when speaking through James?
THANK YOU for exposing your counterfeit theology.

As for asceticism - WHO said anything about self-flagellation or sleeping on rocks being a "requirement"?? YOU have been reading WAY too many Dan Brown novels instead of studying Scripture and history. John the Baptist was the POSTER BOY for ascetics, with his sturdy examples of mortification of the flesh. He didn't wear a hair shirt and leather girdle because it was the "latest desert fachion" as YOU would have us believe.

Paul calls these disciplines of the flesh, “mortification” because by this denial of the body, we die to the flesh so as to live in the spirit:
"If you live after the flesh, you shall die, but if through the spirit you mortify the deeds of the flesh, you shall live." (Romans 8:13; see also Col. 3:5, and Gal. 5:24).
Mortification is a good discipline for our souls as well as a means of strengthening our resistance to temptation.

Paul not only recommended mortification, he practiced it himself. In 1 Cor. 9:27, he tells us, “But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified”.

Why do you prefer to be so simple? Understand the enmity between the flesh and the spirit.
Paul was referring to allowing the sprit to override the desires of the flesh, not to inflict pain or discomfort in order to attain spiritual awareness. He has disciplined his fleshly impulses to desires only based on necessity, not to abuse his body with negligence and deprivation.

You see, again, when one has achieved a transcendence of the flesh, they are not cognizant of it anymore, thus their clothing and sleeping conditions are incidental to their growth. John did not intentionally deprive himself of comfort for the sake of causing irritation, but rather because they were not necessary to him, they had no appeal - he wasn't trying to be a martyr of the flesh.

The Catholic's advocation and establishment of ascetics, monks, monasteries, nuns, convents and celibacy, are antithetical to Biblical teachings. Man is not to live in isolation, nor to attract discomfort to himself - the world will bring that on its own, we are not to invite it. Christians are the light of the world, and a candle is not meant to be hid nor kept in a solitary place. Wearing clothes made out of burlap or sleeping on wooden floors, or residing in isolation in the desert and sleeping in trees or caves, are for fools who do not understand true spiritual edification

 

[DNB]

WRONG.

Christ guaranteed that His Church would NOT fail. Even the "bad" Popes didn't TEACH error - even though their private lives were in question.
In other words - individual MEN can fail - but Christ's Church can't because He equates His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).

Oh, for crying out loud, how many circles are we going to make?
It was in the capacity of Ex Cathedra that these monkeys made their heretical proclamations, which still stand today as dogma.
Tetzel's indulgences (Papal approved and endorsed), purgatory, all mariology, the office of Pope (Paul rebuked and corrected Peter - who's infallible?), crusades (papal ratified), inquisition (papal established and practiced), ...how many starving kids can be fed with the wealth at the Vatican - the leftovers off the pope's plate - maybe lobster is too rich for a child's empty stomach.

 

[Renniks]

they must convert and choose Christ and his church thru baptism like everyone else, there welcome
Matt 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. (temple)

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.


1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Baptism by water doesn't save.
When we were saved by grace through faith in the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, we were positioned in Him and identified with Him. We were clothed with Christ.. placed into the body of Christ and made one with Him.. and Paul calls this being 'baptised into Christ'. By faith we became One with Christ and identified with Him, such that His righteousness became our righteousness,

Spiritual baptism and salvation are one and the same.