Thinking about the Sabbath
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What has Jesus got to do with religion... You know that bit, I am the way the truth and the life, or that bit about the back door and thieves and robbers.
Yes Christ upsets every one, especially the religious. always trying to clean the out side of the cup, while the inside....
Bad pretender, you know your religion is talk against religion -- empty, useless talk-religion. No more.
...defining yourself and your religion over and over. Never tiring. Ever as inspiring.
Sabbath is the rest, entering the rest (Christ) of God. Christ is the rest of God. Everyday is the Sabbath.
I absolutely did because I spent three years in a Seventh Day Adventist School.
Just as a reminder, because it is a controversial subject, that first, if someone believes it is a sin for them it is. Therefore, if GerhardEbersoehn feels devoted to the the law then he should. Romans 7:6 says that we are free from the law, but continues on in 7:8 "What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet." and 7:11-12. "For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good" He, and others, are not doing wrong by holding onto the law.
Why do I say if someone believes something is a sin, that it is for them?
Romans 14:23
"But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin."
What does the Bible say about foolish arguments?
2 Timothy 2:23-24
"Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful."
What are we to do about a divisive person?
Warn them once, Warn them twice (I am not speaking about anyone here speaking generally to keep in mind.)
Titus 3:9-11
"But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law,
because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned."
Why do I say if someone believes something is a sin, that it is for them?
Romans 14:23
"But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin."
What does the Bible say about foolish arguments?
2 Timothy 2:23-24
"Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful."
What are we to do about a divisive person?
Warn them once, Warn them twice (I am not speaking about anyone here speaking generally to keep in mind.)
Titus 3:9-11
"But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law,
because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned."I do also think part of the lesson of Galatians is that it's so easy for the church to slip back into rules and law keeping, obscuring the pure simplicity of justification by faith in Christ.
I have been reading Edersheim on the Temple and he shows how the rabbis would add more and more things to Scripture until what Scripture actually says was obscured by the sheer weight of tradition.
I have been reading Edersheim on the Temple and he shows how the rabbis would add more and more things to Scripture until what Scripture actually says was obscured by the sheer weight of tradition.
@FluffyYellowDuck Great verses there! It's also good to remember that Romans 14 says: 'Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind', that is, exercising Christian liberty in matters which are not of direct, doctrinal import.Just as a reminder, because it is a controversial subject, that first, if someone believes it is a sin for them it is. Therefore, if GerhardEbersoehn feels devoted to the the law then he should. Romans 7:6 says that we are free from the law, but continues on in 7:8 "What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet." and 7:11-12. "For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good" He, and others, are not doing wrong by holding onto the law.
Why do I say if someone believes something is a sin, that it is for them?
Romans 14:23
"But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin."
What does the Bible say about foolish arguments?
2 Timothy 2:23-24
"Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful."
What are we to do about a divisive person?
Warn them once, Warn them twice (I am not speaking about anyone here speaking generally to keep in mind.)
Titus 3:9-11
"But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law,
@FluffyYellowDuck Hebrews 7 is so similar, isn't it? The law was changed, and what we now have is better than the law (v.v. 12 & 19).
With all respect towards the Seventh Day Adventists...
1 Timothy 4
Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron.
They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from certain foods that God has created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For every creation of God is good, and nothing that is received with thanksgiving should be rejected, because it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
In all honesty, I had gone to a few private schools, and the children at the Seventh Day Adventist schools treated me the worst (probably because I was not a Seventh Day Adventist) so I, in part, have a bias. I also attended baptist schools and Celtic Catholic. I also grew up in a Apostolic Pentecostal churches. We were non-denominational and didn't care. (How much I wish we had! There was a lot of spiritual danger in some of those churches.) They don't shape any of my convictions now.
Being isolated for years and being in put in a position of constantly seeking and learning shaped my convictions. God pretty much put me in a place to study and learn from some of the greatest teachers. (Online, of course, and went through a lot of false teachers... lots and lots and lots. So many mistakes.) I've been "out in the wilderness" in my own way and it's hard.
I also attended baptist schools and Celtic Catholic. I also grew up in a Apostolic Pentecostal churches. We were non-denominational and didn't care. (How much I wish we had! There was a lot of spiritual danger in some of those churches.) They don't shape any of my convictions now.Being isolated for years and being in put in a position of constantly seeking and learning shaped my convictions. God pretty much put me in a place to study and learn from some of the greatest teachers. (Online, of course, and went through a lot of false teachers... lots and lots and lots. So many mistakes.) I've been "out in the wilderness" in my own way and it's hard.
If you want to know Christ, that is where all His people go, the wilderness. Only Him, He is the only way.In all honesty, I had gone to a few private schools, and the children at the Seventh Day Adventist schools treated me the worst (probably because I was not a Seventh Day Adventist) so I, in part, have a bias.
Being isolated for years and being in put in a position of constantly seeking and learning shaped my convictions. God pretty much put me in a place to study and learn from some of the greatest teachers. (Online, of course, and went through a lot of false teachers... lots and lots and lots. So many mistakes.) I've been "out in the wilderness" in my own way and it's hard.
Yes, this is true. I shouldn't complain but there are a lot of times where I'm like, "Am I done yet? It's been X years. It's been so long. When am I done?"
I wonder if John the Baptist ever wondered if he was done or how many times he thought "okay it's been a long time now", and how much sooner he would have been ready if he had an internet connection.
Because like all of the resources you need are right there now... It's not the same as meditating on it but it gets a lot of things out of the way a lot faster.So that's your thought about "the Seventh Day Sabbath Day : OF THE LORD GOD".
Like only a person who spent three years in a SDA school ...
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It appears to me that the sabbath is all that it is quacked up to be.
Are you quoting from Exodus 20:10?
First, I personally attribute the seventh day to Saturday, but I don't think it matters, but I choose Saturday because it's the last day of the week and math works like this: Sunday (1), Monday (2) ... Saturday (7) I think historically it decided that it was different but it's what we have now and I'm going to roll with that.
Second, I do feel a personal conviction to keep the sabbath. I do think it is important. I do not see any reason why God would say "Definitely don't spend time with me" and I do believe resting on the sabbath day could potentially bring us closer to God and I am going to make an effort.
Having said that, Colossians 2:16 states, "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day."
So at this time, I do not feel the need to pressure anyone else into doing the same. Instead, I feel the opposite - and I will not judge them for what they do, but I will take my time and do what I feel the need to do. (According to scripture, of course, and what I believe God has placed on my own heart.)
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