ETERNAL SECURITY FOR EVERYONE

[Enoch111]

For the naysayers, give us just one scripture, that people cannot call upon the Lord after physical death.

If you have come here trying to promote Universalism, you have come to the wrong place. There are dozens of Scripture to refute that nonsense.

 

[Alvertsky]

People in the churches need help with what? Since you don't consider the spiritual may I assume it is for physical needs? In that case what better qualifies churches to care for others rather than government?

Brainwashing has a negative connotation, do you think they are being brainwashed with lies? And if I were to hold that opinion I would rather see them closed.

The chinese also drink snake blood, of course it is repulsive. But I don't see the relevance of dog meat to the current topic.

There are 2.2 billion christians. Many need help with thousands of things that can not all be listed here. In fact people here are asking for help.
So you can look the other way to animal torture.

Would Jesus do the same in your opinion?

 

[lforrest]

There are 2.2 billion christians. Many need help with thousands of things that can not all be listed here. In fact people here are asking for help.
So you can look the other way to animal torture.

Would Jesus do the same in your opinion?

Jesus would care more about people than dogs. He recognises the value of every life in a quantitative way. We are worth more than many sparrows FYI.

 

[Alvertsky]

Jesus would care more about people than dogs. He recognises the value of every life in a quantitative way. We are worth more than many sparrows FYI.

So you are claiming that Jesus would look the other way to animal torture.
Stop China’s dog, cat torture festival; find Maxmilian’s abuser; kitten season

Well then we know a different Jesus

 

[lforrest]

So you are claiming that Jesus would look the other way to animal torture.
Stop China’s dog, cat torture festival; find Maxmilian’s abuser; kitten season

Well then we know a different Jesus

There will be judgement, even for these things. But you are off topic, if you want to make a new topic about animal cruelty go right ahead.

 

[Alvertsky]

There will be judgement, even for these things. But you are off topic, if you want to make a new topic about animal cruelty go right ahead.

The topic for me is not animals but Americans voting to abandon capitalism in favor of communism and working hand in hand with the chinese as biden is advocating.

This threatens every American christians way of life. Churches and singing are banned now

 

[lforrest]

The topic for me is not animals but Americans voting to abandon capitalism in favor of communism and working hand in hand with the chinese as biden is advocating.

This threatens every American christians way of life. Churches and singing are banned now

You're not so concerned that churches are closing, but by who closed them? And recent social policies being a communist invasion and occupation.

 

[amadeus]

As long as you're in Ecclesiastes, lets look at 12:7 "For then the dust will return to the earth, and the spirit will return to God who gave it."

Thus you can understand Romans 11:36 - "For out of Him and through Him and to Him are ALL THINGS"

You might begin to ponder what "ALL THINGS" means.

I responded to the question in the OP. You've gone off on a tangent.

Before receiving Life again from the Lord, the Life which Jesus brought, everyone has been dead already. Adam and Eve died when they disobeyed and all of their offspring were born dead. They did have left to them a glimmer of hope, but they were dead. Natural life is Not Life according to God, not real Life.

"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" Gen 2:17

Ge 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

They did eat and they did die as Jesus confirms:

"But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." Matt 8:22

They were walking around and they were talking and they considered themselves to be alive as people today, who know not God, do, but they are zombies [walking dead men] and don't even know it. Jesus brought Life for those who would have it...

"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10

The body to the soil, the spirit to God, but that is the corruptible and corrupted spirit of a dead man... unless the person has received the quickening Spirit of Life Jesus brought. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the fulfillment of the Hope given in Genesis, a Hope for Life! Jesus brought an opportunity for people to do what Adam and Eve failed to do in the Garden: obey God to the end of their course.

 

[Alvertsky]

You're not so concerned that churches are closing, but by who closed them? And recent social policies being a communist invasion and occupation.

There are admitted communist elected to American government now. Sure they prefer the term socialist, biden admitted to stealing an election and he can because no one can challenge the new american communist party that closed all american churches

I do understand that people do not want to accept this, however we are living in it

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Hebrews 8:11 No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.

Many more to come, don't want to overwhelm you with my 'Cherry Orchard'.

For the naysayers, give us just one scripture, that people cannot call upon the Lord after physical death.

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

This is the only verse you need to realize that once a person dies- judgment is set!

Now show a verse that shows people can call upon the Lord after they are dead!

 

[Nancy]

Ignore what?

Pearls my brother, pearls...

 

[Michael BoryAlis]

If you have come here trying to promote Universalism, you have come to the wrong place. There are dozens of Scripture to refute that nonsense.

Oh good, the first Eternal Damnationist speaketh.
Feel free to provide your first defense of Eternal Damnationism.

 

[Michael BoryAlis]

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

This is the only verse you need to realize that once a person dies- judgment is set!

Now show a verse that shows people can call upon the Lord after they are dead!

Make sure not to read and ponder upon Vs 28. They never do.

I Peter 4:6 For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

Checkmate.

 

[Mike Waters]

I am coming to the conclusion that Alvertsky, who states his faith as being 'Christian' considers himself to stand alone against all others who claim the same faith.
There are those for whom such an elitist stance feeds their perverse needs.

 

[Michael BoryAlis]

I responded to the question in the OP. You've gone off on a tangent.

Before receiving Life again from the Lord, the Life which Jesus brought, everyone has been dead already. Adam and Eve died when they disobeyed and all of their offspring were born dead. They did have left to them a glimmer of hope, but they were dead. Natural life is Not Life according to God, not real Life.

"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" Gen 2:17

Ge 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

They did eat and they did die as Jesus confirms:

"But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." Matt 8:22

They were walking around and they were talking and they considered themselves to be alive as people today, who know not God, do, but they are zombies [walking dead men] and don't even know it. Jesus brought Life for those who would have it...

"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10

The body to the soil, the spirit to God, but that is the corruptible and corrupted spirit of a dead man... unless the person has received the quickening Spirit of Life Jesus brought. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the fulfillment of the Hope given in Genesis, a Hope for Life! Jesus brought an opportunity for people to do what Adam and Eve failed to do in the Garden: obey God to the end of their course.

Romans 11:36 is a 'tangent' to you, not me. Which is why you did not address it.
Here is another one for you to ignore or rationalize away.

I Tim 6:13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things.

Try again . .

 

[amadeus]

Romans 11:36 is a 'tangent' to you, not me. Which is why you did not address it.
Here is another one for you to ignore or rationalize away.

I Tim 6:13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things.

Try again . .

My friend, I am not going to try to convert you to the way I see things. If I am wrong, or you are wrong, or both of us are wrong, well God is right. If we are sincerely seeking and there is a need, He will give the proper increase at the proper time!

I simply answered the question. Take care and may you be blessed of God.

 

[Enoch111]

Oh good, the first Eternal Damnationist speaketh.
Feel free to provide your first defense of Eternal Damnationism.

If you are here trolling for Universalism, there is no need for me or anyone else to deal with your post.

 

[justbyfaith]

Oh good, the first Eternal Damnationist speaketh.
Feel free to provide your first defense of Eternal Damnationism.

Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 13:49-50, and Matthew 25:46 together. Also Matthew 7:23 and Matthew 25:41.

 

[Enoch111]

The Supreme Court has ruled in favour of freedom of religion in my state, at the very least.

Don't be too sure about the Supreme Court doing anything righteous. The have just colluded with fraudsters.

 

[Michael BoryAlis]

My friend, I am not going to try to convert you to the way I see things. If I am wrong, or you are wrong, or both of us are wrong, well God is right. If we are sincerely seeking and there is a need, He will give the proper increase at the proper time!

I simply answered the question. Take care and may you be blessed of God.

There is no mystery or enigma, simply know the "Gospel that God preached to Abraham" -
Galatians 3:8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and preached the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you."