Hebrews 10:26-31

[Behold]

Believing is how I got saved.

Yes, its how you "GOT" Saved.
Thats correct.
And that Salvation was GOD saving you.
Its DONE., if you are born again.
You dont keep it "Done"......because its already COMPLETED.

Look at this word.

"SAVED"

See that "D".

That means "its already completed".

Welcome to your Salvation.
God did it all for you., ALREADY......if you are born again.
The Same Jesus who SAVED YOU , = keeps you saved".

 

[Ferris Bueller]

if you are of the mind that you are keeping yourself saved by making sure you continue to have 'saving faith' than this is nonetheless a "reward for performance" system.

Why are you saying Paul is wrong? He says there is no boast in having faith.

Romans 3:27
so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded.

Stop telling me the Bible is wrong!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The issue for the legalist, isn't living in sin.
Its "falling from Grace".
And that is proven when a person exits to try to deceive real believers by trying to convince them that they can lose their salvation.

So, a person who lives on Forums to do that, is a deceived person, a worker of iniquity, as its deep iniquity to want to harm real believers by contradicting the Grace of God openly, and continually, in public.
Believe it.

I'm trying to show people who live in sin they aren't born again! Because we got a church that's telling people you don't have to be a believer to be saved when Jesus comes back! And that the changed life is not the sign of a true believer.

You can keep your OSAS arguments. It's not about that. They mean nothing. What matters is that you are believing, as evidenced by the new life of ever increasing holiness. Because only believing people will be saved when Jesus comes back. Whether or not a person never really believed or stopped believing doesn't change that more important matter.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Are you of the mind that this mean to make it certain? Something you can know for sure?

Yes, and yes.

 

[Tong2020]

You are saved through your believing. That's not even remotely the same as being saved through your works of the law. Works of the law can not remove sin/sin guilt. God's forgiveness can. It's the only thing that can. Believing in God's forgiveness is how you access that forgiveness and are saved. That's what you 'do' to be saved. That's not a works gospel. You're not earning it by believing in it.

You and many other Christians say believing and works of the law are the same thing, because they are both something you do. But the works gospel is not defined as 'what you do to be saved'. It's defined as working the works of the law to be saved. Believing is not included in that......

....to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. Romans 4:5

See, working and trusting God are two different things. But you have a theology that says they are the same thing.

Who is saying working and trusting God are the same thing? Not me sir. If not me why do you say that?

I’ll address what you posted there this way:

Only when the Christian realizes that before he became a Christian, that he was dead ~ can do nothing, without life, only then would he understand the salvation of God. Only then would the Christian begin to see and understand all the things he now can do and is doing, which he could not before ~ repenting unto God, believing in God, believing in Jesus Christ, etc...

Tong
R1542

 

[justbyfaith]

Still, meaning not yet destroyed, but might be or can be destroyed.

Which means that for some, it has been destroyed. Because if it is possible for God to do it, what prevents God from having done it in the lives of some people?

The idea here isn't that the body of sin is gone, instead, it is made powerless.

Yes, in Romans 6:6 (kjv), the body of sin is destroyed.

It is put off from the believer like a circumcised foreskin in Colossians 2:11 (kjv).

I will offer this: If “ Fallen from Grace” means Damnation, and if all that one has to do to “ BE” in that condition is to ADD to the Gospel with ANYTHiNG ( Repenting From all sins before you die , for example ) 90% of the Church World is going to Hell! That “ Narrow Way” That Jesus referred to is REALLY gonna be Narrow.....

Oh yeah...preaching repentance will place a man in hell...

Therefore Ezekiel and John the Baptist, you will not be seeing in heaven....for they definitely preached repentance...and therefore they must have been preaching a FALSE and PERVERTED gospel...

You reject the Biblical teaching that you 'make your calling and election sure' by doing works.

Actually, we make our calling and election sure, not by doing good works; but by adding to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge temperance, etc. (see 2 Peter 1:5-7)

 

[Tong2020]

I hope my questions are seriously considered.

In saying, "It is no longer", this means something changed. It used to be Paul sinning, now it's not. How could that be?

If it was Paul sinning, and now it's not, but now there is "sin that lives in me", the change is a separation from Paul, and the sinner.

Once we can get a hold of the change God made in us, in regenerating us, these endless arguments over children of God spiritually dying can be put to rest.

Much love!

Amen.

Tong
R1543

 

[mjrhealth]

I'm trying to show people who live in sin they aren't born again! Because we got a church that's telling people you don't have to be a believer to be saved when Jesus comes back! And that the changed life is not the sign of a true believer.

And by what do you define sin, who are we to judge any man, do you know what sin is, can you stand beside Christ and judge men??? One of the greatest sins is unbelief, it says you dont trust God, its written all over these forum, men trusting in there works to save them selves though they may not see that, the flesh is an ugly thing.

 

[justbyfaith]

can you stand beside Christ and judge men???

1Co 6:1, Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
1Co 6:2, Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3, Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

It means the person who wants to do right sins is doing it because of the flesh, not because he's seeking to sin. He's doing it out of ignorance of who and what he is in Christ.

That's in contrast to the person who thinks they're saved in their willful deliberate sinning. That person's mind is set on the flesh. They will not be saved when Jesus comes back. That is an unbeliever. That's the willfully sinning person in Hebrews 10:26. He's not willing to serve the Lord. He's out to serve the flesh in a rejection of Christ. His life of sin is the evidence of his rejection of Christ.

Sounds good, doesn’t it? In reality, it’s a “False and Perverted” Gospel......find out what happens to those that Teach a False Gospel....( hint:it ain’t pretty) Gal1:8......

 

[justbyfaith]

Sounds good, doesn’t it? In reality, it’s a “False and Perverted” Gospel......find out what happens to those that Teach a False Gospel....( hint:it ain’t pretty) Gal1:8......

You seem to be all about threatening those who would preach the requirement of holiness.

Sounds to me to be like something that the devil would do.

Not saying you're the devil...

Just that you have obviously been deceived by him in order that you might do his bidding.

 

[mjrhealth]

1Co 6:1, Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
1Co 6:2, Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3, Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

He was not talking about carnal men on earth...

 

[justbyfaith]

He was not talking about <snip> men on earth...

Sure he was....see the end of verse 3.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

We all have our opinions, don't we?

Much love!

What is it about "does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous" (1 John 3:7) that makes this a matter of opinion? It does not need someone's opinionated interpretation. The righteousness we have is a practical righteousness, not just a legal righteousness. The person who performs righteousness shows he has the righteousness of God in salvation. The person who does not perform it shows he does not have it.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Truth is ever important to the child of God. No truth is of no importance to him.

Have you ever heard the phrase, "majoring in a minor"?

Let's major in the necessity to keep believing until Jesus comes back, instead of minoring in whether or not the true believer can stop believing. Regardless of what you think about if the true believer can really stop believing or not, it doesn't change the fact that you have to believe to the very end to be saved when Jesus comes back. What good does it do to know the truth about if you can stop believing or not, but then neglect the truth that you have to keep believing to the very end? No good of course. But that is exactly what the church is doing today. We major in minors.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Whenever we find a Scripture that cannot be accepted into our doctrine on it's face value, that's a really good reason to rethink!

Like 1 John 3:7-8.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Are you thinking @mjrhealth believes in the recalcitrant demiurge who created evil matter, which will come to no longer exist once we've been able to escape it?

Or are you just trying to impugn his view by unfairly comparing him to a known false religion?

No, what I think is you and many others in the church subscribe to these Gnostic beliefs.....

"Gnostics believe anything done in the body, even the grossest sin, has no meaning because real life exists in the spirit realm only.

Second, Gnostics claim to possess an elevated knowledge, a “higher truth” known only to a certain few."

What is Christian Gnosticism? | GotQuestions.org

Remember these two things when you post. I think you'll see that you do indeed subscribe to these two notably Gnostic beliefs.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Answer: There is actually no such thing as Christian Gnosticism, because true Christianity and Gnosticism are mutually exclusive systems of belief.

From the link.

What exists are Christian theologies that have adopted Gnostic beliefs. In fact, that's what John is addressing in 1 John. Did you know that?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Still with the Gnosticism? I'd suggest learning what Gnosticism actually is, so you will realize how this is not accurate, and only smears.

Much love!

The question is, are YOU still with Gnosticism after reading the link I provided? Rationalizing sin, because it's in the flesh, is a Gnostic teaching, not a Biblical one. Now that you know this perhaps you can bring yourself to abandon this false teaching that has been brought into the church.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Do you have the idea that your faith comes from you? It doesn't.

That's one reason why true saving faith isn't like a water faucet that you turn on and off.

My response to God's gift of faith is what comes from me. That's why it can in fact be turned on and off like a faucet. The Galatians turned the faucet of faith off in favor of a law keeping gospel. The Corinthians turned the faucet of faith off in favor of a gospel of a Christ that did not rise from the dead (and thus could not accomplish what his resurrection accomplishes). Every person who rejects the testimony of the Holy Spirit about Jesus is shutting the faucet of faith off and choosing to respond to it in unbelief.