Who founded your church?

[CharismaticLady]

Christian baptism include fire or the love of God

We still have free will and fallen human nature

No dear. That is exactly what Jesus came to fix! Our fallen human nature. The carnal nature Paul refers to as the flesh. But look in Romans 8:9 for those who are baptized in the Spirit, and who now walk in the Spirit and NOT in our old human fallen nature - the flesh.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

This is the gospel, and what the RCC does not understand because it is spiritually discerned.

And it doesn't come about by water baptism, but by true repentance. And true repentance only need happen ONCE to be given a new nature that does not sin.

1 John 3:9
9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

There are many "Christians" walking around who are the walking dead. They are not born again, and still have no power over sin so are still in their sinful carnal nature. Jesus said "few there are that find it." He knew there are many who love darkness, but want Jesus to save them only from the penalty of sin, but not sin, itself.

 

[Illuminator]

Do you not see the trappings of paganism all around you at church and the Vatican. What are the priests wearing? What do you carry around with you? Is it a rosary? Where do you see people praying to Mary in the New Testament? Jesus is the ONLY mediator between us and the Father. If you believe the unscriptural new teaching that Mary is the Mediatrix, PLEASE think for yourself. I believe by your fruit that you do have the Holy Spirit dwelling inside you. You are my brother in the Lord. But you have been duped into being a good Catholic, when it is abiding in Christ that you need to dwell on.

a hate rant based on ignorance and prejudice.

 

[Truther]

there are a few on this thread that disagree with the way the apostles baptized.

That is just pathetic.

 

[Truther]

Didache early teaching of apostles

Chapter 7. Concerning Baptism
And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptizeinto the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptismlet the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whatever others can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before.

Egad.

Still no idea what the name of the son is?

 

[Truther]

Does not matter

Okay, I will give you a check for 1,000.00 and sign it Father, Son and Husband.

Go cash it.

 

[Truther]

Since you're both Scriptural Literalists - explain the following verse:
Matt. 2:3
When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and ALL JERUSALEM with him.

Was "ALL" of Jerusalem disturbed by the news of the birth of Jesus?

THINK, before you answer this time . . .

Yep

 

[jaybird]

That is just pathetic.

I know it makes me sad

 

[theefaith]

ok ok you have made a good point, i missed this before. the "command" was in the name of Jesus, the baptism was not. the way you said it before did not make sense.
i still disagree, its a good argument, but for it to be valid another formula would need to be present, and there is none.

you see how i did that? you presented an argument, i accepted, analyzed, responded with a counter argument with substance. thats how debates work. you dont ignore the response and just repeat the last thing you said that was just refuted.

there is the 2000 yrs history of the church using only the Trinitarian form

 

[theefaith]

No dear. That is exactly what Jesus came to fix! Our fallen human nature. The carnal nature Paul refers to as the flesh. But look in Romans 8:9 for those who are baptized in the Spirit, and who now walk in the Spirit and NOT in our old human fallen nature - the flesh.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

This is the gospel, and what the RCC does not understand because it is spiritually discerned.

And it doesn't come about by water baptism, but by true repentance. And true repentance only need happen ONCE to be given a new nature that does not sin.

1 John 3:9
9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

There are many "Christians" walking around who are the walking dead. They are not born again, and still have no power over sin so are still in their sinful carnal nature. Jesus said "few there are that find it." He knew there are many who love darkness, but want Jesus to save them only from the penalty of sin, but not sin, itself.

no he did not take away the sin nature
If you walk according to the spirit
Free will you must choose to do
so and if you love me you will keep my commandments but we must choose it’s not automatic God did not make robots but children who choose to love Him

1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

 

[Truther]

I know it makes me sad

Why would any Christian run from Acts 2:38 and obey reprobate theology?

 

[theefaith]

No dear. That is exactly what Jesus came to fix! Our fallen human nature. The carnal nature Paul refers to as the flesh. But look in Romans 8:9 for those who are baptized in the Spirit, and who now walk in the Spirit and NOT in our old human fallen nature - the flesh.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

This is the gospel, and what the RCC does not understand because it is spiritually discerned.

And it doesn't come about by water baptism, but by true repentance. And true repentance only need happen ONCE to be given a new nature that does not sin.

1 John 3:9
9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

There are many "Christians" walking around who are the walking dead. They are not born again, and still have no power over sin so are still in their sinful carnal nature. Jesus said "few there are that find it." He knew there are many who love darkness, but want Jesus to save them only from the penalty of sin, but not sin, itself.

acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

represents the love of God and the light of truth

Romans 5:5
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in ourhearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

The promise (sacred oath or sacrament) of the father acts 2:38-39 with reference to ez 36:25-27

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. Based on Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

A promise is a sacred oath or sacrament!
Baptismal regeneration is the promise of the Father for union in the new covenant!

 

[theefaith]

Why would any Christian run from Acts 2:38 and obey reprobate theology?

Jesus’s command
Teach them to obey all things I commanded you Matt 28:19

mare you now denying the divinity of Christ or the most holy trinity one God (nature) in three persons???

 

[theefaith]

Why would any Christian run from Acts 2:38 and obey reprobate theology?

is that your mommy and daddy?

James and Ellen G. White, who claimed to have “the spirit of prophecy,” was an important early leader of the movement and taught a number of distinctive Seventh Day Adventist (SDA) doctrines, including the Investigative Judgment and Sabbatarianism. While the church’s official theology now appears to be generally in the tradition of evangelical Christianity, certain SDA claims and unique doctrines continue to raise questions. These doctrines include the Seventh Day Adventist belief that Sunday worship will result in the “Mark of the Beast,” imbalanced teachings on keeping the commandments (baptism, Sabbath observance) that often implies a kind of salvation by works, the “Remnant Church” doctrine that implies that the SDA is or will be God's only true church, and the doctrine of the Investigative Judgment. Profile available.

Adventism: Widespread trans-denominational movement inspired by William Miller’s prediction that Jesus’ “advent” (return) would take place in 1844. Even after the Great Disappointment (the date’s failure), many people in the movement continued to believe. Some suggested revised chronologies and new dates, eventually forming groups such as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Others, notably Hiram Edson and Ellen G. White, suggested that the 1844 date was accurate but that a heavenly (thus invisible) event had taken place. Their teachings became the basis of Seventh-day Adventism, which eventually spawned its own offshoots, including Armstrongism and the Branch Davidians.

Seventh Day Adventist Sabbath (Sabbatarianism):
The Seventh Day Adventist sabbath generally takes the view that the Old Testament Sabbath commandment is to be observed unchanged by the church. As used in this index, Sabbatarianism refers to an extreme form of the belief in which membership in the true church, or even salvation, is conditional upon keeping the Sabbath law. As such, Sabbatarianism is at the least a form of legalism and at most a denial of salvation by grace. In most cases, the Jewish Sabbath (Saturday) must be observed by refraining from work, sports, and travel from sundown Friday evening to sundown Saturday evening. The belief is often accompanied by the observance of Jewish dietary laws and/or other Old Testament feasts.

 

[Truther]

Jesus’s command
Teach them to obey all things I commanded you Matt 28:19

mare you now denying the divinity of Christ or the most holy trinity one God (nature) in three persons???

Then why don't you obey Jesus Christ and say the name of the son, instead of parroting His command?


Any I deny that there is such thing as a triune God.

 

[Truther]

is that your mommy and daddy?

James and Ellen G. White, who claimed to have “the spirit of prophecy,” was an important early leader of the movement and taught a number of distinctive Seventh Day Adventist (SDA) doctrines, including the Investigative Judgment and Sabbatarianism. While the church’s official theology now appears to be generally in the tradition of evangelical Christianity, certain SDA claims and unique doctrines continue to raise questions. These doctrines include the Seventh Day Adventist belief that Sunday worship will result in the “Mark of the Beast,” imbalanced teachings on keeping the commandments (baptism, Sabbath observance) that often implies a kind of salvation by works, the “Remnant Church” doctrine that implies that the SDA is or will be God's only true church, and the doctrine of the Investigative Judgment. Profile available.

Adventism: Widespread trans-denominational movement inspired by William Miller’s prediction that Jesus’ “advent” (return) would take place in 1844. Even after the Great Disappointment (the date’s failure), many people in the movement continued to believe. Some suggested revised chronologies and new dates, eventually forming groups such as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Others, notably Hiram Edson and Ellen G. White, suggested that the 1844 date was accurate but that a heavenly (thus invisible) event had taken place. Their teachings became the basis of Seventh-day Adventism, which eventually spawned its own offshoots, including Armstrongism and the Branch Davidians.

Seventh Day Adventist Sabbath (Sabbatarianism):
The Seventh Day Adventist sabbath generally takes the view that the Old Testament Sabbath commandment is to be observed unchanged by the church. As used in this index, Sabbatarianism refers to an extreme form of the belief in which membership in the true church, or even salvation, is conditional upon keeping the Sabbath law. As such, Sabbatarianism is at the least a form of legalism and at most a denial of salvation by grace. In most cases, the Jewish Sabbath (Saturday) must be observed by refraining from work, sports, and travel from sundown Friday evening to sundown Saturday evening. The belief is often accompanied by the observance of Jewish dietary laws and/or other Old Testament feasts.

You just described folks that ran as fast as they could from Acts 2:38.

They are your anti Acts 2:38 brethren.

Make sure to include the RCC, 1.6 billion strong, with your group of Acts skippers.

 

[jaybird]

there is the 2000 yrs history of the church using only the Trinitarian form

Trinity didn't begin for 400 years after Jesus. And they didn't complete it for another 200 years. That's 600 years after Jesus

 

[jaybird]

Why would any Christian run from Acts 2:38 and obey reprobate theology?

The pharisees did the same. They would write theology based on their interpretation of scripture. Nothing wrong with that. But over time the theology become scripture. And that's placing man's opinion on the same level as the word of the Most High.

 

[Truther]

The pharisees did the same. They would write theology based on their interpretation of scripture. Nothing wrong with that. But over time the theology become scripture. And that's placing man's opinion on the same level as the word of the Most High.

Excellent description of how we got here and how denominations evolved from the pure first century church.

Like pure snow gradually turning into a dirty delta as the snow melts into water and travels downstream, picking up pollutants along the way.

 

[theefaith]

You just described folks that ran as fast as they could from Acts 2:38.

They are your anti Acts 2:38 brethren.

Make sure to include the RCC, 1.6 billion strong, with your group of Acts skippers.

then what JW or is Joseph Smith Freemason your daddy?

 

[theefaith]

Trinity didn't begin for 400 years after Jesus. And they didn't complete it for another 200 years. That's 600 years after Jesus

the immaculate conception was not defined until 1854 and the assumption until 1950 but both are true and part of the original deposit of faith eph 4:5 Jude 1:3