Hebrews 10:26-31

[Tong2020]

God shows you the gospel is true through his gift of faith. You choose whether you will retain that revelation and believe and trust in it, or discard it in unbelief.

So that is what you mean by your statement:

“It is the responsibility of the person to trust and believe, through the gift of faith.”

Tong
R1595

 

[justbyfaith]

@Blood Bought 1953,

Tell me please, is the following part of a FALSE and PERVERTED gospel and ought not to be preached?

Bear fruits worthy of repentance...

for the axe is laid to the root of the trees.

And do not begin to think to yourselves, "I have Jesus as my Saviour"

For God is able to raise up from these very stones those who are saved by Jesus.

 

[marks]

It's making the rounds.

I've noticed that.

 

[Tong2020]

Paul is the one who said it's not a boast to believe God. It's a boast to perform works of the law to earn justification and salvation and eternal life.

And it’s equally a boast doing any work for the purpose of anything he thinks would ultimately get himself saved, believing that it is up to him to remain saved, else he would lose his initial salvation, if there is even such a thing.

Because all you're doing is extending the hands of your heart to receive the free gift of justification and salvation and eternal life. It's not works to walk over to a Christmas tree and pick up your free gift. It doesn't cease to be a free gift if you don't sit on the couch and wait for someone to bring it to you.

Using the same analogy, it ceases to be a free gift when you refuse the gift sitting under the tree, not lifting a finger to receive it and shunning it when it's brought to you, and you go and try to manufacture the same gift for yourself, insulting the person who gave you that free gift and who left it under the tree for you to receive.

Well, that analogy fails. The salvation of God isn’t analogous to that. If you want an analogy, it is wise to use those found in scriptures. Take the analogy of redeeming a slave.

Tong
R1596

 

[marks]

So, you are saying that the NLT is not a valid translation?

Rather than reply to my post, you'd rather now put words into my mouth?

Where did I say that? Answer . . . I didn't. So what are you trying to make happen here?

I'm speaking of the Greek word Metanoia. This is an important word to understand as we read these various translations.

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

Well, that analogy fails. The salvation of God isn’t analogous to that. If you want an analogy, it is wise to use those found in scriptures.

The analogy that @Ferris Bueller set forth is indeed in the holy scriptures; for they declare that salvation is indeed a free gift.

 

[justbyfaith]

Rather than reply to my post, you'd rather now put words into my mouth?

Where did I say that? Answer . . . I didn't. So what are you trying to make happen here?

Much love!

It seems to me that right now, you're playing games.

You know that my answer is a valid answer to your argument.

I asked you a question that you are free to answer.

 

[justbyfaith]

Where did I say that? Answer . . . I didn't.

You didn't say that the NLT is invalid...therefore why do you not accept its testimony?

Nevertheless, may the Lord abundantly bless you more and more; even as the result of the blessing that I am blessing you with today.

New Living Translation
Rom 2:4, Don’t you see how wonderfully kind, tolerant, and patient God is with you? Does this mean nothing to you? Can’t you see that his kindness is intended to turn you from your sin?
Rom 2:5, But because you are stubborn and refuse to turn from your sin, you are storing up terrible punishment for yourself. For a day of anger is coming, when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed.
Rom 2:6, He will judge everyone according to what they have done.

He'll come up with a reason why this doesn't apply to him.

Nevertheless, the passage in question shows that repentance is away from sin and towards righteousness and not just towards faith in Christ.

 

[marks]

Nope.

That is a hefty accusation...prove it.

You've been doing the same to me.

The proof is in the posts.

You can see it or not as you choose.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I am guilty of quoting Ezekiel 33:11-20 as being a message in the word of the Lord...and for that I stand accused.

Um, aren't you rather using this OT covenant passage to define the terms of the NT? That's how it seems to me.

Much love!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

And no nobody is saying that believing in God is a works gospel.

You are saying believing in God is a works gospel if the believing is your own doing, not something outside of yourself given to you. The faith to believe is indeed given from God. But man chooses whether he will retain that faith in a choice to believe and trust in God through that faith, or chooses to not retain that faith in a choice to not believe and trust in God. Faith is a thing. Believing is what a person does when they receive and retain this thing called faith.

 

[BarneyFife]

Fine As well Thanks, Sounds real Loving... Following A List of Rules...Do you base your Love For your Children By How many of your rules they Follow? Can you tell Me I have never heard anyone answer How Do you Keep The Sabbath?

No, I judge their love for me by how many of my rules they follow.

I do no unnecessary work or work for purpose of gain from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.
I got to church (when there's one open)
I do group activities (nature walks, fellowship meals, special Bible studies, special speaker presentations, witness to others of the rest that comes from knowing Christ).
I try to keep my mind on the deep things of God as opposed to Hollywood-type entertainment or secular activity.
I bask in God's love revealed in His word, in my heart, and in His creation.

It's not that hard to Google "how to keep the Sabbath."

Isaiah 58
13“Keep the Sabbath day holy.
Don’t pursue your own interests on that day,
but enjoy the Sabbath
and speak of it with delight as the LORD’s holy day.
Honor the Sabbath in everything you do on that day,
and don’t follow your own desires or talk idly.
14Then the LORD will be your delight.
I will give you great honor
and satisfy you with the inheritance I promised to your ancestor Jacob.

I, the LORD, have spoken!”

 

[Tong2020]

Yes! That's what the Bible says! Maybe you don't like that because you think that means you earn your calling and election by doing works. That is not what it means. Even in your belief system works SHOW you to be saved, not MAKE you to be saved by earning it. I'm actually agreeing with these particular tenants of your Calvinist teachings. I just don't agree with the part about you not having any control over whether you believe or not.

Oh no sir. If the Bible says so, I believe it so. Perhaps, it’s because we see quite differently the salvation of God. I don’t take what Peter said in 2 Peter 1:10 as earning one’s calling and election as you think I thought. Nope.

So, tell us, what works you said you do to confirm you calling and election?

<<<Even in your belief system works SHOW you to be saved, not MAKE you to be saved by earning it.>>>

Yes. But not my works, but the works of God through me. There’s a big difference there in what you say pertaining to works, which is your works.

<<<I'm actually agreeing with these particular tenants of your Calvinist teachings.>>>

I am no calvinist, I am a Christian. I follow Christ, not any one else.

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R1597

 

[marks]

Don't mention his iniquities to him (Ezekiel 33:16)...that means that his former iniquities will not be considered when it comes to whether he can preach again.

I don't think that passage was intended by God the way you are saying.

Question . . . should a repeat child molester be in charge of children's day care once he's released from prison? Under any circumstances?

Much love!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So, tell us, what works you said you do to confirm you calling and election?

Any righteous thought, action, and attitude motivated by the fruit of the Spirit.

 

[BarneyFife]

Question . . . should a repeat child molester be in charge of children's day care once he's released from prison? Under any circumstances?

I'll bite--No. lol

 

[marks]

It seems to me that right now, you're playing games.

You know that my answer is a valid answer to your argument.

I asked you a question that you are free to answer.

Look at the word. There's your answer. Metanoia = aftermind = result of having exchanged the mind = ceasing from the mind of the flesh, and having the mind of Christ.

This a much different thing than someone stopping committing a sin.

Much love!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Yes. But not my works, but the works of God through me. There’s a big difference there in what you say pertaining to works, which is your works.

When you purposely choose to do a righteous work, or think a righteous thought, or hold a righteous attitude that's you choosing to submit to the Spirit. Call it God working in you, but it's still YOU submitting the members of your body in obedience to God. You just didn't do those things by your own power. And so it isn't 'you' in that sense only. You did it using the power God gave you to do it.

 

[BarneyFife]

Any righteous thought, action, and attitude motivated by the fruit of the Spirit.

I don't mean to flood you with likes but you seem to be on a roll.

 

[marks]

You didn't say that the NLT is invalid...therefore why do you not accept its testimony?

Enough with all the drama!

I guess you'd rather make your lofty pronouncements on me than do a little word study to see how you should understand the verse in question.

Seriously! You know different translations say different things, and, I've avoided saying "cherry pick", but isn't that what you are doing?

And it seems you'd rather try to pin me in my words than know the truth.

This doesn't edify.

Much love!