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JohnDB

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Every disease has it's fair share of on-going long term problems. It's just we don't tend to talk about them or invent fancy media "meme" names for them. Lot's of people have "Long Flu" and "Long Pneumonia" and "Long Measles". Just because the authorities using the media invent a fancy name for it doesn't make it any more special or different.

No-one used to be remotely bothered that up to 650,000 people a year died from Flu and related conditions and have been doing so for many years now. Each to their own but I refuse to be reeled in by media manipulation and memes.
And how many cause birth defects, infertility and sterility ?
 

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Every disease has it's fair share of on-going long term problems. It's just we don't tend to talk about them or invent fancy media "meme" names for them. Lot's of people have "Long Flu" and "Long Pneumonia" and "Long Measles". Just because the authorities using the media invent a fancy name for it doesn't make it any more special or different.

No-one used to be remotely bothered that up to 650,000 people a year died from Flu and related conditions and have been doing so for many years now. Each to their own but I refuse to be reeled in by media manipulation and memes.
400,000 alone died last month from Coronavirus... dwarfing your influenza.
 

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Flu and Pneumonia for starters affect fertility and sperm DNA
Not in the same fashion or as virulently as a corona type virus...

Look up Zitka Fever...it's a corona type virus.
 

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Your endocrine system is in your lungs as well...but not exclusively... obviously.

But the virus affects your endocrine system.
Makes a lot of sense. I had covid in mid December, and its only been in the last week that my blood glucose has come back to more of a normal. For 3 or 4 weeks I never went below 170.

My doctor said they've been seeing that in others too.

Much love!
 
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1 in 3748 for a 45-64 years olds in numbers is a lot of deaths, even for 25-44, the amount of people dying for that's age group from covid is quite a lot.

25-44 - 1/34,354 people that test positive die with covid
45-64 - 1/3,478 people that test positive die with covid

The vaccine is killing more people but shhhh just look the other way
 

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Have you made it out of Vic yet? 5 day lockdown from midnight tonight

Is it... Im not surprised...
Getting my license back has been a pain... I get it back on the 2nd now and I'm booked to leave on the 14th if they're letting Victorians on board...
If not then I'll get a refund and go off into the bush somewhere out of here
 
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Is it... Im not surprised...
Getting my license back has been a pain... I get it back on the 2nd now and I'm booked to leave on the 14th if they're letting Victorians on board...
If not then I'll get a refund and go off into the bush somewhere out of here

That will be great. No internet there then? Oh what a glorious peace there will be on the board. LOL
 

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That's fake news about CDC, it has been fact checked, they do not have inflated numbers.

PolitiFact - No, the CDC isn’t inflating coronavirus statistics

Texas has 29 million people and 40,309 covid deaths have been record at this time, that is 1 in 725 of their population that has died from covid, 40,309 for one state is a big number.

USA has around about 330 million people, there have currently been 473,000 deaths. That is 1 in 697 people dying, 473,000 is a lot.
Perhaps you haven't heard. So called "fact checkers" aren't actually checking facts. These companies are actually PR firms hired to stop or slow down the progress of negative press.

Define "check":
1. examine something
2. stop or slow the progress of something

These companies are "fact checkers" in the second sense.

I would refer you to data concerning the "death numbers from all causes" but the internet is being scrubbed of truthful information and truthful web sites are being blocked. I just checked it myself.

Bear in mind what the Apostle Paul once said about a time when people would no longer be lovers of truth. I think that time is now. I'm sorry I can't prove my case to you. All I can say is that I have been following the data from the beginning and as soon as counterfactual data is posted, it is removed from the internet within two or three days.

Take a look at this article, which I checked just this morning. If it is still up, notice the article begins with an apology, noting that the information was first published on the John's Hopkins website but has been scrubbed from that site, but the original publication can be found on Archive.org.

Good luck.
 
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Most people who are antivaxxers don't know the difference between correlation and causation.

Vaccines don't kill people.
Viruses kill people.

Vaccines don't change your DNA.
Viruses do change your DNA.

Vaccines don't cause birth defects.
Viruses cause birth defects.
 

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Perhaps you haven't heard. So called "fact checkers" aren't actually checking facts. These companies are actually PR firms hired to stop or slow down the progress of negative press.

Define "check":
1. examine something
2. stop or slow the progress of something

These companies are "fact checkers" in the second sense.

I would refer you to data concerning the "death numbers from all causes" but the internet is being scrubbed of truthful information and truthful web sites are being blocked. I just checked it myself.

Bear in mind what the Apostle Paul once said about a time when people would no longer be lovers of truth. I think that time is now. I'm sorry I can't prove my case to you. All I can say is that I have been following the data from the beginning and as soon as counterfactual data is posted, it is removed from the internet within two or three days.

Take a look at this article, which I checked just this morning. If it is still up, notice the article begins with an apology, noting that the information was first published on the John's Hopkins website but has been scrubbed from that site, but the original publication can be found on Archive.org.

Good luck.
The other thing I noticed a lot is, when you go to Wikipedia they are editing data daily.
They are changing history before our eyes.
Nobody buys Encyclopedia books anymore.
Very difficult to fact check the fact checkers when they keep manipulating the facts themselves.

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Very difficult to fact check the fact checkers when they keep manipulating the facts themselves.
Very true. The truth is being manipulated daily and on an hourly basis. Over the past four years there has been a MASSIVE ATTACK against the truth and against facts. And since nobody has held the media and the social media accountable for this attack against society, they have become bolder and bolder in promoting lies.

A good example of public fraud which has had disastrous consequences is the manipulation and fraud by Anthony Fauci. First of all, this unethical person should never have been given the position of spokesman for Donald Trump regarding the Wuhan virus. In fact, given his history, he should have been fired back in 2017. But even after Rand Paul questioned him in the senate (and made Fauci's position questionable), he did not call for his immediate firing, and an investigation into the COVID criminal conspiracy which involved Fauci and many others.
 
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Tell that to the rest of the world that believes you are lying.

I don't need to The definition of "Covid Death" is clearly detailed by my government. It is any death that has occurred within 28 days of a person testing positive for Covid. Here's the proof and link:

Official UK Coronavirus Dashboard

"Number of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test."

Every country has employed its own unique twist on how to define a (cough) "Covid death" in order to ensure the numbers look huge.

Test positive for Covid on Day 1, then 3-4 weeks go by, you die from cancer . . . . chalk up a (cough) "Covid death"

It's utterly ridiculous, very divisive and pretty wicked.

They combine this nonsense with the number of what they call "Confirmed cases" (which is only the people they tested and is about 10-20 times less than the true number of cases) and that presents a very dire picture because it looks like there's a lot of deaths within a small number of cases. It is of course a huge lie, a terrible misrepresentation of the true facts.

The link above shows that the UK has had 121,674 "Covid Deaths".

If you click on the "Cases" tab you'll see that the government states that there have now been 4,013,799 "Confirmed Cases"
Defined as "Number of people with at least one positive COVID-19 test result (either lab-reported or lateral flow device)"

That would suggest a death rate of 121674 / 4013799 * 100 = 3% which looks terribly high.

PURE FICTITIOUS SCAREMONGERING

The TRUE number of cases in the UK is known to be AT LEAST 10 times the number of confirmed cases and likely close to 20 times.

So the true number of cases the UK has had is likely 40 million or more imo. The VAST MAJORITY of these cases (80%+) have no symptoms at all and others only mild symptoms and those people in the main have not been tested and so don't figure in the number of "Confirmed cases"

So when you look at the true picture the death rate is likely less than 0.3%

This entire charade is so wickedly disgusting there should be criminal prosecutions for what they have done.
 
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Most people who are antivaxxers don't know the difference between correlation and causation.

Most people who are rabid "Vaxxers" haven't done one iota of proper research into vaccines and have no clue whatsoever of the facts as a result.


JohnDB said:
Vaccines don't kill people.

Sorry but that's a complete falsehood. Vaccines do kill people and as has been witnessed in Norway the actual process of vaccination itself has killed 20-30 people who were extremely old and frail in a care home. Their bodies were clearly not strong enough to cope with being forced to mount an immune response to the vaccine material. You can search the US CDC Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) here:

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8;jsessionid=197BAFE59ED312D605A79B55035F

Just select "Deaths" as the "symptom" in section 2 and do the search. Then you'll see them.

Deaths are not the only problem. There have been lots of life-changing debilitating conditions caused by vaccines too such as Guillian Barre Syndrome and narcolepsy. You can do searches for those too.

The number of such instances is of course small compared to the number of people vaccinated.

Not knowing this is somewhat embarrassing TBH. You really should have done the basic research before trying to sway people's hearts and minds.
 
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