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All scientifict facts about the vaccine & mRNA is available on google, but all of this man made anti-body (engineered immune) was the work of the devil as since along ago babylonian always use liver as a divination in sorcery (Ezekiel 21:21); where the liver is the centre of our natural immunity that God creates. Where liver is always communicate with the brain, and from there they can manipulate our mind and behaviour and become as their slaves. Devil cannot turned us into sufferings if they don't manipulate our liver and create disease from it, in the past they put a poison in the food of believers to manipulate liver while in modern day they use vaccines on kids. But all of those sight seeing from the liver is always deceives themself because what they receive is from the right brain where it only lies a fantasies and unreal sight (Zechariah 10:2); that's why they use it as a psychological warfare to destroy the morality of the object persons.
 

Enoch111

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And yet all you can give in support of your position is anecdotal evidence
What about all the hard clinical evidence? What about the Barrington Declaration? What about the FACT that no one gave a hoot when the flu season came around every year? Now all of a sudden flu numbers are down and bogus COVID numbers are up. That is the scam that is being perpetrated.

The Great Barrington Declaration

"The Great Barrington Declaration – As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.

Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.

Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.

[Note: this was written before the bogus mRNA vaccines were distributed. So it is not necessarily an endorsement of these vaccines]

Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.

As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity.

The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection.

Adopting measures to protect the vulnerable should be the central aim of public health responses to COVID-19. By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside. A comprehensive and detailed list of measures, including approaches to multi-generational households, can be implemented, and is well within the scope and capability of public health professionals.

Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity."


This declaration has been simply ignored by all governments. Instead they have become more and more draconian in restricting people from going about their business. Which means that there is another agenda in place.

This agenda has been described in this book:
The Truth about Covid-19: Exposing the Great Reset, Lockdowns, Vaccine Passports, and the New Normal Hardcover – April 29, 2021
by Doctor Joseph Mercola

Multiple New York Times best-selling author Dr. Joseph Mercola and Ronnie Cummins, founder and director of the Organic Consumers Association, team up to expose the truth--and end the madness--about COVID-19.

Since early 2020, the world has experienced a series of catastrophic events--a global pandemic caused by a so-called novel coronavirus; international lockdowns and border closings causing widespread business closures, economic collapse, and massive unemployment; and an unprecedented curtailment of civil liberties and freedoms in the name of keeping people safe by locking them up in their homes.

We are now living in a world that is increasingly ruled, not by our democratic systems and institutions, but by public health fiat, carried out by politicians who rule by instilling fear and panic.

In The Truth About COVID-19, Dr. Mercola and Cummins reveal new and emerging evidence that:

The SARS-CoV-2 virus was, indeed, lab-engineered and emerged from a negligently managed bioweapons lab in Wuhan, China

The global pandemic was long anticipated by global elites who have used it to facilitate and hide the largest upward transfer of wealth in human history

PCR testing, case counts, morbidity, and vaccine safety and efficacy data have been widely manipulated and misrepresented

Obesity, diabetes, and heart disease are known to worsen COVID-19 outcomes, but the junk food industry continues to push its agenda at the expense of public health

Safe, simple, and inexpensive treatment and prevention for COVID-19 have been censored and suppressed to create a clear path for vaccine acceptance

Effectiveness of the vaccines has been wildly exaggerated and major safety questions have gone unanswered

The good news in all of this is that we can take control of our health and that, together, we have the power to unite and fight back for our health, democracy, and freedom. The time is now for a global awakening. As Dr. Mercola and Cummins remind us, this is the fight of our lives.
 
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Cases Are Underreported
This was certainly true in the early months of the pandemic, and it took an inordinately long time to get adequate testing facilities up and running. This is why the second wave looks so much worse than the first wave in terms of reported case numbers

Covid Deaths Are Exaggerated
Depends which data you're looking at. The "rolling total" of deaths is based on a positive test within 28 days of death (so will be a slight over-estimate) BUT gives a reasonably good guide to the trend because the inaccuracy is constant. However, the recently announced figure of 100,000 deaths was based on death certificates, so should be more accurate.

Covid Is Only Deadly To A Minority
True. But 1% of 60 million people is an awful lot of people - and survival often means weeks of intensive care. And then there's the high rate of disabling after-effects (long Covid, loss of sense of smell)

Natural Immunity Is Strong And Lasting
How can we know how long it lasts when no-one has had it more than 14 months ago?

Pre-Existing Immunity To Covid
For EVERY infection, a proportion of us will have natural immunity due to genetic variation (this is true even for HIV).

Vaccine Testing Is Sparse
The number of patients/volunteers needed to trial a drug or vaccine is worked out by statisticians and depends on its effectiveness. It's meaningless to say that 200 cases of Covid is not enough unless you explain why it's not enough. If (say) 200 out of 1000 unvaccinated people caught the virus but no vaccinated people did, why is that not enough cases?

Pharmaceuticals Have Long History Of Fraud
True. They also have a long history of delivering life-saving drugs: anti-TB drugs and anti-HIV drugs, for just some examples. The good stuff far outweighs the bad.

National Lockdowns Are Catastrophic
Agreed. That's why we need the vaccines.

Nightingale Hospitals Stood Empty
Highly embarrassing - but after what happened in China and Italy, it would have been a very brave Government not to set them up.

Vaccinated People Still Spread Disease
We don't know this yet. Maybe, maybe not. But if everyone else is vaccinated and therefore protected against severe illness, this won't matter.

Repeated Flu Vaccine Shots Weaken Your Defence
Provide your sources please

COVID Was Downgraded By UK Gov Before Lockdown
True but irrelevant. Covid doesn't meet the strict criteria for an HCID, but that doesn't mean it isn't dangerous.
 
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Truths like the evil nature of Bill Gates and his vision of depopulating the world and the fact that the virus has never been isolated making it no different to the common flu and the fact that the PCR tests are bogus as admitted by the WHO

the fake news of the mainstream media
Obviously you and I have a totally different understanding of "truth".
 
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Seen on TV today one was mentioning the Vaccine at the stadium and was booed by the crowd full on, the Government and media are making claims that 80% of Australians are all for the so called Vaccine, well that's just another great lie that they are playing games with us. not to mention that it's not a Vaccine at all in fact. you are not going to be immunised at all from COVID or any other strain of COVID.

So why do they not tell the truth that this Jab will most likely only be some way too deal with out brakes in areas for the next 10 years maybe.

The media and all are running about so happy touting it as the new normal ? ok Normal ? normal pre COVID and then it's COVID normal and now the new normal ? Well the new normal is not pre COVID Normal at all, so why the play on words that are nonsense.

They do not have a cure they do not have a Vaccine at all, if they did have a Vaccine truly such would be a cure to COVID as that's how Vaccines work I thought ! such saves you from getting the thing in the first place in fact.

The Jab is a experiment drug that has bypassed the normal standards set for such things.

Ok call it what it truly is, I will be fine with that but to call such a Vaccine C'mon !
 
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Say the sky is blue and there will be posters who will argue it's pink.
Haha! :p
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This entire charade is so wickedly disgusting there should be criminal prosecutions for what they have done.
Correct. And Fauci, Birx, Redfield, Hahn, etc. should have all been imprisoned within a matter of weeks after the coronavirus was released. And those are not the only conspirators. There was a CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY to (1) create a bioweapon in Wuhan funded with American dollars, (2) to suppress the truth about Wuhan virus from day one, (3) attack the HCQ combo package day after day and make it unavailable to people who needed it and could have been prevented from dying, (4) create a bogus pandemic to shut down all activity and rob every citizen of their rights and freedoms, and (5) finally create bogus vaccines in place of HCQ in order to generate billions and also decimate the elderly.

The medical profession has generally become complicit in this conspiracy, barring a few doctors who have been opposing the lockdowns and exposing the fraudulent reporting of cases and deaths. But there has not been a sufficiently powerful anti-COVID-tyranny lobby created anywhere in order to go after the liars and criminals and have them arrested for mass murder. Donald Trump should have been heading up the opposition but instead he created the monster with Fauci's assistance.
 
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Hmmm has anyone else brought this up? Cuomo admitted to under reporting covid deaths in New York last year?
 

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Hmmm has anyone else brought this up? Cuomo admitted to under reporting covid deaths in New York last year?
And why wouldn't he? He has blamed everyone other than himself for his own crimes, but he is still walking around as though he is untouchable. How do such people get elected in the first place? And de Blasio is no better. New York state and New York city are finished.
 
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