Something That I Just Don't Understand

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As a spinoff thread to my LGBTQ thread there is something I need to know. Why do a lot of Christians treat members of the LGBTQ community and people who commit suicide as guilty of committing the unforgiveable sin? Newsflash! If either of those things was the unforgiveable sin Jesus would have come right out and said that it was but no the only unforgiveable sin is rejecting Christ and having an unrepentant heart until you die so I fail to understand why Christians automatically assume that if you're gay or you commit suicide you're going to Hell. Especially since you can bet that these people are already struggling enough as it is and a lot of them want help for it but a lot of the time they don't get it and hence why they take their own lives as sad as it is. :'(

I believe anyone who would commit suicide to be sick. God doesn't judge the sick when they do something like that as doing an unforgivable sin.
 
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'Keep yourselves in the love of God,
looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
And of some have compassion, making a difference:
And others save with fear,
pulling them out of the fire;
hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.'
(Jude 1:21-23)
I believe we have to love them into His Kingdom, I doubt anyone has ever been scorned into the Kingdom of Jesus Christ.
I remember the Westboro Baptist “Church” folks screaming “God Hates Fags”....what a horrible witness.
 

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I think perhaps the real question is whether one can be a practicing homosexual and be a Christian at the same time. Isn't this what some gays are trying to promote?
And I think perhaps the answer is not so easy. If I say no, then how is my sin " allowed " but their sin isn't?
Now they are definitely sinning, don't get me wrong, but I guess God can decide.
Dont over think it . And since when should any sin be allowed . We have to approach any sin
the same way JESUS and the apostels did . And if any does err we must do exactly as the pattern written aforetime
tells us to do . Rebuke them and if they wont hear it , its then we must put them out of the church .
THIS is the only pattern that works . ITS why JESUS SET it and the apostels kept that pattern.
We must get more serious on things . If one errs do the pattern set , and if they wont hear but rather JUSTIFY their sin
then cast them out , TILL they do repent . ITS the only pattern that works . JESUS set it and the apostles kept it . we must too.
 

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As a spinoff thread to my LGBTQ thread there is something I need to know. Why do a lot of Christians treat members of the LGBTQ community and people who commit suicide as guilty of committing the unforgiveable sin? Newsflash! If either of those things was the unforgiveable sin Jesus would have come right out and said that it was but no the only unforgiveable sin is rejecting Christ and having an unrepentant heart until you die so I fail to understand why Christians automatically assume that if you're gay or you commit suicide you're going to Hell. Especially since you can bet that these people are already struggling enough as it is and a lot of them want help for it but a lot of the time they don't get it and hence why they take their own lives as sad as it is. :'(
Immorality is a bad a sin as any other.

Problem is, immorality has a voice that wants Christians to accept it as an alternative, God sanctioned way of life.

There are not good sins and bad sins, but only bad sins.

Homosexuals must repent just like the drunkards must repent.

If someone commits suicide, then they will be judged per Rev 20.

Nobody knows what will happen to them, so only worry about your own salvation.
 
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Dont over think it . And since when should any sin be allowed . We have to approach any sin
the same way JESUS and the apostels did . And if any does err we must do exactly as the pattern written aforetime
tells us to do . Rebuke them and if they wont hear it , its then we must put them out of the church .
THIS is the only pattern that works . ITS why JESUS SET it and the apostels kept that pattern.
We must get more serious on things . If one errs do the pattern set , and if they wont hear but rather JUSTIFY their sin
then cast them out , TILL they do repent . ITS the only pattern that works . JESUS set it and the apostles kept it . we must too.

That seems like what my church teaches. If you're sinning in their eyes, then you are not allowed to serve the church or its members and not allowed to give talks to the congregation. But you can still come to church and repent.
 
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Also, if someone is threatening suicide, the best thing to tell them is that they will wake up in eternal hell.

They will likely change their mind if they think it is a fact.
 
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I believe we have to love them into His Kingdom, I doubt anyone has ever been scorned into the Kingdom of Jesus Christ.
I remember the Westboro Baptist “Church” folks screaming “God Hates Fags”....what a horrible witness.


LOL
 

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Immorality is a bad a sin as any other.

Problem is, immorality has a voice that wants Christians to accept it as an alternative, God sanctioned way of life.

There are not good sins and bad sins, but only bad sins.

Homosexuals must repent just like the drunkards must repent.

If someone commits suicide, then they will be judged per Rev 20.

Nobody knows what will happen to them, so only worry about your own salvation.

I'm not sure what you're saying totally. But I keep hearing from this thread that we are just as bad sinners as GBLT and therefore can't judge. While it's true we shouldn't become the judges of our brothers, we must judge the church to keep the evil out of it, which is those that promote sin. If they desire repentance then we accept them into the congregation and love abounds.

And If there are not good or bad sins, nor severity of sin, then why do we have sentencing in prisons depending on the crime? I think most humans understand that some crimes or sins are more severe than others. After all judgment and prison is an example of Mosaic law at its core. And if this is a concept that humans can even comprehend then how better is God at understanding? As an example, pretend that I lied about eating the cake on the table at dinner, and another person kills a human with horrific suffering, and who thinks these sins are evenly punished by God?
 
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Also, if someone is threatening suicide, the best thing to tell them is that they will wake up in eternal hell.

They will likely change their mind if they think it is a fact.
I tend to think to tell them that death is painful, and perhaps it's not something you want to experience, if you're in emotional pain already, why add physical pain on top of that. That will only add to your emotional suffering.

And then the procedure is to talk them into paths to alleviate their emotional or situational suffering. Thru medications and psychiatry probably.
 
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Dont over think it . And since when should any sin be allowed . We have to approach any sin
the same way JESUS and the apostels did . And if any does err we must do exactly as the pattern written aforetime
tells us to do . Rebuke them and if they wont hear it , its then we must put them out of the church .
THIS is the only pattern that works . ITS why JESUS SET it and the apostels kept that pattern.
We must get more serious on things . If one errs do the pattern set , and if they wont hear but rather JUSTIFY their sin
then cast them out , TILL they do repent . ITS the only pattern that works . JESUS set it and the apostles kept it . we must too.
Ok I do believe a person has to be repentant. But lots of people repent and sin and repent and sin...is that person out? I don't think so. Salvation doesn't depend on our performance. And we all do this to some extent or another.
 

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Also, if someone is threatening suicide, the best thing to tell them is that they will wake up in eternal hell.

They will likely change their mind if they think it is a fact.

The ends justifies the means it would seem, and when you are at a funeral for someone who committed suicide the story changes. Cant swap the old platitudes that they are in a better place or at least their suffering is over. It is not very encuraging to say their suffering has only just begun in hell.
 

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Ok I do believe a person has to be repentant. But lots of people repent and sin and repent and sin...is that person out? I don't think so. Salvation doesn't depend on our performance. And we all do this to some extent or another.
Yes but a person that immerses themselves in Gods works is protected from sinning, and is less likely to sin.
 

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So my niece on my husband's side is transgender. I don't hate her, and do not see it as the unforgiveable sin. But she knows the Bible says it is wrong, because I tell her. I also tell her I love her,and her girl friend who "identifies" as a boy. They both know if I refer to them, it is as girls. Not boys. I treat them no different. Just like if someone does drugs. I am going to tell them it is a sin to hurt the temple of God, but I don't condemn them. There will always be someone who does, but we are responsible of our own actions. Not speaking the truth in love is also a mistake though.

Waiting until someone kills themself is a mistake to tell them they shouldn't do that. I was suicidal when I was younger, and had an aunt tell me I was a suicidal baby and if I ever came back on her property, she would call the cops. She laughed at me when I cried. I, to this day, could never trust anyone who treated me like that.
 

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Just like I could never trust to tell anyone my feelings again if they condemn me over a vote for president. That was pretty stupid.
 
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I think perhaps the real question is whether one can be a practicing homosexual and be a Christian at the same time. Isn't this what some gays are trying to promote?
And I think perhaps the answer is not so easy. If I say no, then how is my sin " allowed " but their sin isn't?
Now they are definitely sinning, don't get me wrong, but I guess God can decide.



If homosexuals can't be Christians than neither can people who lie or steal or curse etc. Isn't that why Jesus came in the first place because of that fact that we're all sinners (except for Him) by nature?


I will say up front that I hate the sin but not the sinner. BUT I do get up set with the gay's
I don't know why but I attract Gays for some reason. My wife thinks it funny when they make a pass at me.
I was hit on many times when I was in the military, I have been patted on the butt twice in books stores and given the secret hand shake three times. I'm straight and always have been.
How does that make me feel? Do I have the right to be up set with them?
Pomp.




No, in that case I believe that you have every right to be upset with them.



I believe we have to love them into His Kingdom, I doubt anyone has ever been scorned into the Kingdom of Jesus Christ.
I remember the Westboro Baptist “Church” folks screaming “God Hates Fags”....what a horrible witness.




I know, it isn't the message itself that's an issue it's how you tell it that makes the difference. Besides God doesn't hate anybody as He loves homosexuals just as much as He loves us,.. He just hates their sin.




Also, if someone is threatening suicide, the best thing to tell them is that they will wake up in eternal hell.



That is the most ignorant post I've seen on here.


As an example, pretend that I lied about eating the cake on the table at dinner, and another person kills a human with horrific suffering, and who thinks these sins are evenly punished by God?



You see? That's the exact reason why I'm an unorthodox Christian. I believe that Jesus died to save us all and lying about cake versus murdering somebody seem like two entirely different sins to me where I can't see anybody in Hell for lying about cake no matter what they believe. :/



Waiting until someone kills themself is a mistake to tell them they shouldn't do that. I was suicidal when I was younger, and had an aunt tell me I was a suicidal baby and if I ever came back on her property, she would call the cops. She laughed at me when I cried. I, to this day, could never trust anyone who treated me like that.




I am so sorry to hear about that. That's why I prefer animals to people. *HUGS* :)
 
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Just like I could never trust to tell anyone my feelings again if they condemn me over a vote for president. That was pretty stupid.




Agreed. I hate Joe Biden as president but I could never condemn any of his supporters since I don't know their hearts.
 
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You see? That's the exact reason why I'm an unorthodox Christian. I believe that Jesus died to save us all and lying about cake versus murdering somebody seem like two entirely different sins to me where I can't see anybody in Hell for lying about cake no matter what they believe. :/


You might enjoy reading this article on degrees of sin which goes over biblical support for the idea: Degrees of Sin - The Gospel Coalition. I believe orthodox Christianity, at least Catholic, believe in different types of sins which is similar.

I'll just quote Jesus talking about a greater sin (which by logic indicates degrees of sin): John 19:11
 
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You might enjoy reading this article on degrees of sin which goes over biblical support for the idea: Degrees of Sin - The Gospel Coalition. I believe orthodox Christianity, at least Catholic, believe in different types of sins which is similar. I see God as a judge where we may be sentenced to hell for a time period similar to prison for criminals. I formed this belief out of common sense and the bible.





No thanks I'm not interested. I believe what I believe and I don't need to have any reasons to believe differently. Thanks for the suggestion though. :)
 

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I had to modify my last couple posts a little, sorry for the confusion!