1. Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Featured Something That I Just Don't Understand

Discussion in 'Christian Debate Forum' started by April_Rose, Feb 22, 2021.

  1. BARNEY BRIGHT

    BARNEY BRIGHT Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,165
    Likes Received:
    559
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    I believe anyone who would commit suicide to be sick. God doesn't judge the sick when they do something like that as doing an unforgivable sin.
     
    April_Rose likes this.
  2. BobVance

    BobVance Member

    Messages:
    42
    Likes Received:
    69
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    I believe we have to love them into His Kingdom, I doubt anyone has ever been scorned into the Kingdom of Jesus Christ.
    I remember the Westboro Baptist “Church” folks screaming “God Hates Fags”....what a horrible witness.
     
    April_Rose, Devin Wintch and charity like this.
  3. amigo de christo

    amigo de christo Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,821
    Likes Received:
    1,779
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Dont over think it . And since when should any sin be allowed . We have to approach any sin
    the same way JESUS and the apostels did . And if any does err we must do exactly as the pattern written aforetime
    tells us to do . Rebuke them and if they wont hear it , its then we must put them out of the church .
    THIS is the only pattern that works . ITS why JESUS SET it and the apostels kept that pattern.
    We must get more serious on things . If one errs do the pattern set , and if they wont hear but rather JUSTIFY their sin
    then cast them out , TILL they do repent . ITS the only pattern that works . JESUS set it and the apostles kept it . we must too.
     
    lforrest and Devin Wintch like this.
  4. Truther

    Truther Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    5,125
    Likes Received:
    684
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Immorality is a bad a sin as any other.

    Problem is, immorality has a voice that wants Christians to accept it as an alternative, God sanctioned way of life.

    There are not good sins and bad sins, but only bad sins.

    Homosexuals must repent just like the drunkards must repent.

    If someone commits suicide, then they will be judged per Rev 20.

    Nobody knows what will happen to them, so only worry about your own salvation.
     
    April_Rose likes this.
  5. Devin Wintch

    Devin Wintch Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,795
    Likes Received:
    1,681
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    That seems like what my church teaches. If you're sinning in their eyes, then you are not allowed to serve the church or its members and not allowed to give talks to the congregation. But you can still come to church and repent.
     
    Renniks likes this.
  6. Truther

    Truther Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    5,125
    Likes Received:
    684
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Also, if someone is threatening suicide, the best thing to tell them is that they will wake up in eternal hell.

    They will likely change their mind if they think it is a fact.
     
    amigo de christo likes this.
  7. Truther

    Truther Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    5,125
    Likes Received:
    684
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States



    LOL
     
  8. Devin Wintch

    Devin Wintch Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,795
    Likes Received:
    1,681
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    I'm not sure what you're saying totally. But I keep hearing from this thread that we are just as bad sinners as GBLT and therefore can't judge. While it's true we shouldn't become the judges of our brothers, we must judge the church to keep the evil out of it, which is those that promote sin. If they desire repentance then we accept them into the congregation and love abounds.

    And If there are not good or bad sins, nor severity of sin, then why do we have sentencing in prisons depending on the crime? I think most humans understand that some crimes or sins are more severe than others. After all judgment and prison is an example of Mosaic law at its core. And if this is a concept that humans can even comprehend then how better is God at understanding? As an example, pretend that I lied about eating the cake on the table at dinner, and another person kills a human with horrific suffering, and who thinks these sins are evenly punished by God?
     
    Renniks likes this.
  9. Devin Wintch

    Devin Wintch Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,795
    Likes Received:
    1,681
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    I tend to think to tell them that death is painful, and perhaps it's not something you want to experience, if you're in emotional pain already, why add physical pain on top of that. That will only add to your emotional suffering.

    And then the procedure is to talk them into paths to alleviate their emotional or situational suffering. Thru medications and psychiatry probably.
     
    April_Rose likes this.
  10. Renniks

    Renniks Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,386
    Likes Received:
    1,147
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Ok I do believe a person has to be repentant. But lots of people repent and sin and repent and sin...is that person out? I don't think so. Salvation doesn't depend on our performance. And we all do this to some extent or another.
     
    April_Rose and Devin Wintch like this.
  11. lforrest

    lforrest Well-Known Member Staff Member Admin

    Messages:
    3,931
    Likes Received:
    3,605
    Faith:
    Christian
    The ends justifies the means it would seem, and when you are at a funeral for someone who committed suicide the story changes. Cant swap the old platitudes that they are in a better place or at least their suffering is over. It is not very encuraging to say their suffering has only just begun in hell.
     
  12. Devin Wintch

    Devin Wintch Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,795
    Likes Received:
    1,681
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Yes but a person that immerses themselves in Gods works is protected from sinning, and is less likely to sin.
     
    April_Rose and Mayflower like this.
  13. Mayflower

    Mayflower Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,042
    Likes Received:
    5,274
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    So my niece on my husband's side is transgender. I don't hate her, and do not see it as the unforgiveable sin. But she knows the Bible says it is wrong, because I tell her. I also tell her I love her,and her girl friend who "identifies" as a boy. They both know if I refer to them, it is as girls. Not boys. I treat them no different. Just like if someone does drugs. I am going to tell them it is a sin to hurt the temple of God, but I don't condemn them. There will always be someone who does, but we are responsible of our own actions. Not speaking the truth in love is also a mistake though.

    Waiting until someone kills themself is a mistake to tell them they shouldn't do that. I was suicidal when I was younger, and had an aunt tell me I was a suicidal baby and if I ever came back on her property, she would call the cops. She laughed at me when I cried. I, to this day, could never trust anyone who treated me like that.
     
    Devin Wintch and April_Rose like this.
  14. Mayflower

    Mayflower Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,042
    Likes Received:
    5,274
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Just like I could never trust to tell anyone my feelings again if they condemn me over a vote for president. That was pretty stupid.
     
    April_Rose likes this.
  15. April_Rose

    April_Rose Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,714
    Likes Received:
    4,061
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States


    If homosexuals can't be Christians than neither can people who lie or steal or curse etc. Isn't that why Jesus came in the first place because of that fact that we're all sinners (except for Him) by nature?





    No, in that case I believe that you have every right to be upset with them.






    I know, it isn't the message itself that's an issue it's how you tell it that makes the difference. Besides God doesn't hate anybody as He loves homosexuals just as much as He loves us,.. He just hates their sin.






    That is the most ignorant post I've seen on here.




    You see? That's the exact reason why I'm an unorthodox Christian. I believe that Jesus died to save us all and lying about cake versus murdering somebody seem like two entirely different sins to me where I can't see anybody in Hell for lying about cake no matter what they believe. :/






    I am so sorry to hear about that. That's why I prefer animals to people. *HUGS* :)
     
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2021
    BobVance, Devin Wintch and Mayflower like this.
  16. April_Rose

    April_Rose Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,714
    Likes Received:
    4,061
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States



    Agreed. I hate Joe Biden as president but I could never condemn any of his supporters since I don't know their hearts.
     
    Mayflower likes this.
  17. Devin Wintch

    Devin Wintch Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,795
    Likes Received:
    1,681
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States

    You might enjoy reading this article on degrees of sin which goes over biblical support for the idea: Degrees of Sin - The Gospel Coalition. I believe orthodox Christianity, at least Catholic, believe in different types of sins which is similar.

    I'll just quote Jesus talking about a greater sin (which by logic indicates degrees of sin): John 19:11
     
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2021
    Mayflower likes this.
  18. April_Rose

    April_Rose Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,714
    Likes Received:
    4,061
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States




    No thanks I'm not interested. I believe what I believe and I don't need to have any reasons to believe differently. Thanks for the suggestion though. :)
     
  19. Devin Wintch

    Devin Wintch Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,795
    Likes Received:
    1,681
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    OK, then it will be for others in your thread.
     
    April_Rose likes this.
  20. Devin Wintch

    Devin Wintch Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,795
    Likes Received:
    1,681
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    I had to modify my last couple posts a little, sorry for the confusion!
     
Loading...