Renniks
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Whoever doesn't believe will not be saved. Not whoever isn't baptized with water.scripture does say that Mk 16:16
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Whoever doesn't believe will not be saved. Not whoever isn't baptized with water.scripture does say that Mk 16:16
Not biblical. Yes it's a new covenant, but Jesus has always been our only savior. No one was saved any other way. In the Old testament it was through believing in the promise that was revealed to them of the messiah. For those earlier it was through faith also. Read Hebrews 11... the whole thing.new covenant
New mediator
New means of salvation
Notice the verse you listed, carefully.
"""19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,.............baptizing""""
See the "make disciples"? See that part?
You make a disciple when they are born again, because you led them to Christ.
That is how you "make a disciple"..
After this happens........you water baptize the "disciple".
Oh good grief. You literally need context to read anything correctly.where does the Bible say we need context?
Conversion requires obedience - surrender. .
Thanks for exposing your dihonesty again - because I've already explained this to you ad nauseam.Let me help you with just a small amount of bible exegesis.
Here it is..
Dont just live in one verse, as you are doing all your theological life.
See, that is what has happened to you.
You live in one verse, trying to make the entire New Testament, your one verse.
All water cults are victim's of this same spiritual blindness.
Here is how to recover yourself.....well, you can try.
Go to all of Paul's epistles....thats the other 73% of the NT that does not list water baptism as necessary.
See, you have to let go of PETER, as Peter is not your "Gentile Apostle".
He's a kinda dumb fisherman, who rejected Christ then repented, and finally when he was old, he told us that Paul's letters are equal to the Torah.
So, You have to go with Paul, so that you find the correct doctrine that sustains and explains the RULES for the "time of the Gentiles".
Start with this verse, and then read the Epistle. "Christ sent me not to baptize".
Start there. That's Paul talking to you.
You dont ask questions..
You just post random ideas, using Catholic terminology, that is not found in a Bible.
There is no such thing as "sacramental life'.
THis word "sacraments" is a man made word. Its not a bible word.
Typically its a water cult theology word.
Also, Ez 36, is God Talking.
God is in Heaven, so how can he put water on you ?
So, this water in the verse, is not the city water supply....but its the word that does the washing, its Jesus the Living WATER, HIMSELF< who does the "washing"
You verse says you are cleansed from IDOLS.
Those are in your HEART.
SO, the city water supply can't wash your heart clean from ANYTHING,.....including Idol worship.
Abraham is the father of the Christian faith. He was saved as we are, through faith alone.
Not what he and the Bible say Mk 16:16Whoever doesn't believe will not be saved. Not whoever isn't baptized with water.
1 Cor. 1:14-15
"I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name.
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Not biblical. Yes it's a new covenant, but Jesus has always been our only savior. No one was saved any other way. In the Old testament it was through believing in the promise that was revealed to them of the messiah. For those earlier it was through faith also. Read Hebrews 11... the whole thing.
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved."
You calling me Charlie Brown?Oh good grief. You literally need context to read anything correctly.
There is no verse in the BIBLE that says “faith alone” accept not by faith aloneAlready posted.
i made a new thread on Mary you did not respond
Sacrament from the dictionary
2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
WRONG.Conversion requires....>"Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God".
Conversion requires : The Gospel being given and HEARD.... while the Holy Spirit draws and convicts the heart of the HEARER, and the person recognizes their lost condition (that is the Holy Spirit enlightening them).... and they receive the offer of the Grace of God, which is Salvation.
Salvation is not something you do, its something you RECEIVE.
Its a GIFT.
"the GIFT of Salvation"...its FREE.
Now, think of this, Breadoflife...
Put Jesus back into Heaven. There is no Cross.
Now, water baptize yourself 345 times in whatever name you want to use...>Peter, Zeus, Mohammed, Micheal Jordan, Abraham, Adam, Jude, Madonna...
So, are you wet?
Yet you are, as 345 dunks is certainly going to make you wet.
And what else are you after 345 Baptisms?
You're still going to hell like a bullet, once you die.
And why? Because that Water can't save a lost camel..
Now, bring Jesus down.
He dies on the Tree, He is Resurrected.
So....does that water suddenly change?
ONLY in WATER CULT THEOLOGY, which is a "doctrine of devils".
See it yet?
Mark 16:16, NIV: "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved,but whoever does not believe will be condemned."Not what he and the Bible say Mk 16:16
There is no verse in the BIBLE that says “faith alone” accept not by faith alone
WRONG.
That's NOT what those verses say - so stop perverting God's Word.
Faith comes by hearing the Word of God -