Where is hell? Where is heaven?

[amadeus]

These worms, are they flesh?

Well as they are eating the flesh of men I would assume that they are... although probably not of the earthworm variety commonly used for fishing. Probably rather more like maggots!

 

[amadeus]

Hell is quoted in revelation as being this looking forward to of fiery indignation, and before Christ and the angels. My father passed last Monday, and for a long time I’ve been full of indignation feeling as if I was treated unfairly. I also witness others in this same wake.

When I read scripture especially in the gospels I see many whom are indignant for many reasons, even His very disciples. In the acts and epistles I see this indignant position as having no place. In the first act upon receiving the Holy Spirit Peter and John go to the temple where they are beaten and possibly stripped of their clothes, but instead of going somewhere to pout and complain they petition the Spirit for more boldness.

Running away from our troubles and doubts will not help. Consider the cases of Jonah and Elijah. Both of them ran away, the former from God and the latter apparently from from Jezebel. What did they learn from their experiences? When my own mother died 15 years ago I found myself in a difficult place with some hitherto unanswered questions... The pain of the loss remained, but I did learn by what I had to go though.

I will remember you in prayer!

 

[amadeus]

Heaven is found at the end of a Christ receiving life

Hell is found at the end of a Christ rejecting life.

At the end only?

 

[Waiting on him]

Running away from our troubles and doubts will not help. Consider the cases of Jonah and Elijah. Both of them ran away, the former from God and the latter apparently from from Jezebel. What did they learn from their experiences? When my own mother died 15 years ago I found myself in a difficult place with some hitherto unanswered questions... The pain of the loss remained, but I did learn by what I had to go though.

I will remember you in prayer!

What can I say John, rather I descend into hell or ascend to heaven..... there He is.

 

[Behold]

At the end only?

If at the end of your life, you die never being born again, you will go directly to hell.
Later, you will exist in the Lake of Fire.
This is as certain as Jesus's Cross was raised.

John 3:36 is not a myth.

 

[Waiting on him]

Are not many people today effectively dead and in the grave in the eyes of God? All of us were there, but Jesus was sent into this place of death, this grave, this hell, this prison of ours and he preached to us. Some of us listened and are listening. Some of us have done something right with what we heard.

Jesus has visited me in my hell. He is helping me replace hell with heaven. Is he similarly helping you?

I believe that heaven and hell are in the same place, within man, and Christ overwhelms both.

 

[amadeus]

What can I say John, rather I descend into hell or ascend to heaven..... there He is.

Indeed my friend!

 

[amadeus]

I believe that heaven and hell are in the same place, within man, and Christ overwhelms both.

Hmmm? I at least partially understand and partially agree.

 

[Base12]

Just a friendly reminder that we all came from the Lowest Parts of the Earth...

Psalms 139:15
"My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth."

Some folks call that place Hell... including the KJV.

Same place Jesus went BTW...

Ephesians 4:9
"Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?"

Here is an artists rendition of what you Good Folks may have looked like when your Tabernacle Body was just a single celled Zygote when you made your bed in the Heart of the Earth...

Not such a bad place after all eh?

 

[Base12]

Matthew 12:40
"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

The Son of Man was in the Heart of the Earth, the Body Temple, sprinkling the Blood...

Hebrews 12:24
"And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel."

Jonah in the Whale was a Juxtaposition.

 

[Base12]

If any of you decide to make your bed in Hell again, be sure and stretch your legs out for maximum comfort...

Psalms 139:13
"For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb."

Context.

Context.

Context.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Are not many people today effectively dead and in the grave in the eyes of God? All of us were there, but Jesus was sent into this place of death, this grave, this hell, this prison of ours and he preached to us. Some of us listened and are listening. Some of us have done something right with what we heard.

Jesus has visited me in my hell. He is helping me replace hell with heaven. Is he similarly helping you?

Those ones who have already died could tell us, but they can't come back and let us know.

 

[amadeus]

Those ones who have already died could tell us, but they can't come back and let us know.

And if they could, who would believe them?

"And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead" Luke 16-30-31

Do we not rather then we believe by faith?

"Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith." Hab 2:4

"Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him" Heb 10:38

And faith is what?

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Heb 11:11

And what is it we should hope to be seeing? That which Moses was not allowed to see but which David was told to seek:

"And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live." Ex 33:20

"When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek." Psalm 27:8

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Cor 13:12

And the promise:

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2

 

[Base12]

Question: Where is the 'Center of the World'?

Is it...

Answer A:
"It is that fiery place of torments below our feet where the Unsaved burn forever because God hates them."

Or is it...

Answer B:
"Jerusalem"

Let us now turn to the Word of God for answers...

Ezekiel 5:5 (Good News Translation)
"The Sovereign LORD said, "Look at Jerusalem. I put her at the center of the world, with other countries all around her."

Ah... so that's where the 'Heart of the Earth' is located!

Thanks God for making it clear as can be.

 

[Waiting on him]

Question: Where is the 'Center of the World'?

Is it...

Answer A:
"It is that fiery place of torments below our feet where the Unsaved burn forever because God hates them."

Or is it...

Answer B:
"Jerusalem"

Let us now turn to the Word of God for answers...

Ezekiel 5:5 (Good News Translation)
"The Sovereign LORD said, "Look at Jerusalem. I put her at the center of the world, with other countries all around her."

Ah... so that's where the 'Heart of the Earth' is located!

Thanks God for making it clear as can be.

There’s also a Jerusalem above.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

What can I say John, rather I descend into hell or ascend to heaven..... there He is.

Well hell here refers to teh grave and not the eternal abode which is properly the lake of fire.

The place of the lost is in hell (the place of the dead). It is known as the place of torments, along with tartarus, and Abrahams bosom, which was closed when Jesus ascended.

 

[Waiting on him]

Well hell here refers to teh grave and not the eternal abode which is properly the lake of fire.

The place of the lost is in hell (the place of the dead). It is known as the place of torments, along with tartarus, and Abrahams bosom, which was closed when Jesus ascended.

Agreed,
I see dead people.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Agreed,
I see dead people.

You should make a movie about seeing dead people walking then! LOL Great title for it could be "The Sixth Sense".

 

[Enoch111]

I believe that heaven and hell are in the same place, within man, and Christ overwhelms both.

We have to give you an A+ for a very active imagination and an F- for a total ignorance of Bible truth.

Even the Muslims have a better grasp of Heaven and Hell than some professing Christians.

 

[kcnalp]

I'm not so glad to see that eternal torment seems to be the thrust of your message (even in your signature).

Sad

What's more important than escaping Hell fire? NOTHING!