No authority!

[Ronald Nolette]

Of course not. The Bread and Wine sacrificed at the Last Supper is one and the same sacrifice as the Crucifixion. The Mass is a re-presentation, not a repetition. The Mass is a fulfilment of the seder meal. In heaven, Jesus offers HIMSELF to the Father (in the form of bread and wine) on our behalf, not symbols.

Heb. 9:23 – in this verse, the author writes that the Old Testament sacrifices were only copies of the heavenly things, but now heaven has better “sacrifices” than these. Why is the heavenly sacrifice called “sacrifices,” in the plural? Jesus died once. This is because, while Christ’s sacrifice is transcendent in heaven, it touches down on earth and is sacramentally re-presented over and over again from the rising of the sun to its setting around the world by the priests of Christ’s Church. This is because all moments to God are present in their immediacy, and when we offer the memorial sacrifice to God, we ask God to make the sacrifice that is eternally present to Him also present to us. Jesus’ sacrifice also transcends time and space because it was the sacrifice of God Himself.

Heb. 9:23 – the Eucharistic sacrifice also fulfills Jer. 33:18 that His kingdom will consist of a sacrificial priesthood forever, and fulfills Zech. 9:15 that the sons of Zion shall drink blood like wine and be saved.

Heb. 9:26 – Jesus’ once and for all appearance into heaven to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself shows that Jesus’ presence in heaven and His sacrifice are inseparable. This also shows that “once for all,” which refers to Jesus’ appearance in heaven, means perpetual (it does not, and cannot mean, “over and done with” because Jesus is in heaven for eternity). “Once for all” also refers to Jesus’ suffering and death (Heb. 7:27; 9:12,26;10:10-14). But “once for all” never refers to Jesus’ sacrifice, which is eternally presented to the Father. This sacrifice is the Mal. 1:11 pure offering made present in every place from the rising of the sun to its setting in the Eucharist offered in the same manner as the Melchizedek offering.

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Wrong all the way!

We do not need to represent the Sacrifice of Jesus. He was sarificed once for all time and we do not need to represent it as if God needs reminding of what jesus did.

also it is not according to the RCC church a representation but a repitition:

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Sacrifice of the Mass
www.newadvent.org › cathen

Since the Mass is nothing else than a continual repetition, commanded by Christ Himself, of the Sacrifice accomplished at the Last Supper, it follows that the ...

that is why it is called teh perpetual sacrifice of the mass!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The entire devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary points to CHRIST.
Every parish church named after a saint is GOD'S house, named merely to commemorate the example of faith of that saint.

Well - that's what you ALL keep saying here - yet not ONE of you has been able to refute the linguistic implications of the title, "Kecharitomene" that was given to Mary in Luke 1:28.

When you can DO that - then, we'll discuss your problems with it . . .

No - it's NOT wrong.
Just because YOU reject the definition of the word "Pray" because it doesn't fit YOUR little psarameters.

As I explained to you in great detail - and even gave you the dictionary definition - "Pray", as it pertains to worship is a SECONDAY definition.
The PRIMARY definition of this word simply means to "ASK", to "SUPPLICATE", to "ENTREAT".

YOUR rejection of the definition is just a desperate attempt to cling to your anti-Catholic bias and nothing more . . .

See you live on "implications"

You take a simple greeting "highly favored" and add to it all sorts of false doctrine like she was conceived without sin, had no sin nature, committeed no sin, When all it meansd is she was favoured among all the virgins of Israel to bear Jesus. She didn't earn it, desrve it, or proved herself worthy of it. she was granted underserved favor

And for pray I showed you from the language of Scripture you were wrong! YOu want to keep it in English so you can stay ignorant of the truth.

And I showed you from Catholic sources themselves Marian PRAYERS (not entreaties) devotions to Mary and the false doctrine derived from the vision at Fatima.

Never in Scripture does it say we should entreat teh dead saints in heaven! show me one verse that says we should have teh enormous amount of devotion to Mary and I will consider it as a former catholic who attended seminary.

 

[BreadOfLife]

And ? What about it?
Are YOU blaming or exalting Peter for BINDING YOU up in a doctrine of Fallacies?
Or
Are YOU blaming or exalting Peter for LOOSING on the Earth a doctrine of Fallicies?

WHY would I "blame" Peter for anything?
And I don't need to exalt him - Jesus already did that (Matt. 16:18-19, Luke 22:30-31, John 21:15-19).

STUDY your Bible . . .

 

[Ferris Bueller]

you need the ordained priesthood

No, I don't. This is the New Covenant where every believer enters directly into the presence of God himself through the new High Priest and His Sacrifice. Christ's ministry made the old system of mortal priest and carnal sacrifice obsolete and unneeded now. You need to get with the program.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Oh ya?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)

Saying a person is justified (made righteous) through baptism contradicts Paul who said faith all by itself apart from works makes a person righteous. Abraham being the example and evidence of that. That's why we have a huge wall of division between us. You reject Paul's "righteousness apart from works". You rationalize that by saying baptism is not a work. That's just plain denial. But of course you have to do that to make your belief correct in your own mind. Sorry, but we're going with Paul on this one. You stay on your side of the fence and we'll stay on ours.

 

[justbyfaith]

You rationalize that by saying baptism is not a work.

I'm the one who said baptism is not a work, not @theefaith.

Maybe pay closer attention to the monikers themselves; we have similar beliefs about baptism; while I am not Catholic but rather have leanings towards Oneness Pentecostalism.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I'm the one who said baptism is not a work, not @theefaith.

Maybe pay closer attention to the monikers themselves; we have similar beliefs about baptism; while I am not Catholic but rather have leanings towards Oneness Pentecostalism.

You don't believe that water baptism literally earns salvation, right?

 

[justbyfaith]

You don't believe that water baptism literally earns salvation, right?

No; I believe that it is a method of confessing Jesus Christ before men in identifying with Him in His death, burial, and resurrection; and that in this, it can in fact be salvational (Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8).

 

[theefaith]

Wrong all the way!

We do not need to represent the Sacrifice of Jesus. He was sarificed once for all time and we do not need to represent it as if God needs reminding of what jesus did.

also it is not according to the RCC church a representation but a repitition:

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Sacrifice of the Mass
www.newadvent.org › cathen

Since the Mass is nothing else than a continual repetition, commanded by Christ Himself, of the Sacrifice accomplished at the Last Supper, it follows that the ...

that is why it is called teh perpetual sacrifice of the mass!

once for all
Once bloody on the cross but for all an unbloody sacrifice a clean obligation

Christ is still portrayed in rev 5:6 as a lamb slain

 

[theefaith]

No, I don't. This is the New Covenant where every believer enters directly into the presence of God himself through the new High Priest and His Sacrifice. Christ's ministry made the old system of mortal priest and carnal sacrifice obsolete and unneeded now. You need to get with the program.

. The Bread and Wine sacrificed at the Last Supper is one and the same sacrifice as the Crucifixion. The Mass is a re-presentation, not a repetition. The Mass is a fulfilment of the seder meal. In heaven, Jesus offers HIMSELF to the Father (in the form of bread and wine) on our behalf, not symbols.

Heb. 9:23 – in this verse, the author writes that the Old Testament sacrifices were only copies of the heavenly things, but now heaven has better “sacrifices” than these. Why is the heavenly sacrifice called “sacrifices,” in the plural? Jesus died once. This is because, while Christ’s sacrifice is transcendent in heaven, it touches down on earth and is sacramentally re-presented over and over again from the rising of the sun to its setting around the world by the priests of Christ’s Church. This is because all moments to God are present in their immediacy, and when we offer the memorial sacrifice to God, we ask God to make the sacrifice that is eternally present to Him also present to us. Jesus’ sacrifice also transcends time and space because it was the sacrifice of God Himself.

Heb. 9:23 – the Eucharistic sacrifice also fulfills Jer. 33:18 that His kingdom will consist of a sacrificial priesthood forever, and fulfills Zech. 9:15 that the sons of Zion shall drink blood like wine and be saved.

Heb. 9:26 – Jesus’ once and for all appearance into heaven to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself shows that Jesus’ presence in heaven and His sacrifice are inseparable. This also shows that “once for all,” which refers to Jesus’ appearance in heaven, means perpetual (it does not, and cannot mean, “over and done with” because Jesus is in heaven for eternity). “Once for all” also refers to Jesus’ suffering and death (Heb. 7:27; 9:12,26;10:10-14). But “once for all” never refers to Jesus’ sacrifice, which is eternally presented to the Father. This sacrifice is the Mal. 1:11 pure offering made present in every place from the rising of the sun to its setting in the Eucharist offered in the same manner as the Melchizedek offering.

once for all
Once bloody on the cross but for all an unbloody sacrifice a clean obligation

Christ is still portrayed in rev 5:6 as a lamb slain

 

[theefaith]

Saying a person is justified (made righteous) through baptism contradicts Paul who said faith all by itself apart from works makes a person righteous. Abraham being the example and evidence of that. That's why we have a huge wall of division between us. You reject Paul's "righteousness apart from works". You rationalize that by saying baptism is not a work. That's just plain denial. But of course you have to do that to make your belief correct in your own mind. Sorry, but we're going with Paul on this one. You stay on your side of the fence and we'll stay on ours.

baptism is not works problem solved

 

[Behold]

You can post ALL the photos you want - but it doesn't make YOUR point any more factual.

Are the people in these photos practicing "Idolatry" - or just love and respect?

Listen carefully ....none of the people in your Photos, are the "Queen of Heaven", or a "Mediatrix", and none of them are honored on "Saints Day".
Do you see any of them with a CROWN on their Head?
None of them are given credit for helping Jesus out, in Heaven
You got that?
I think you do.
So, you can plan to keep deceiving, but its not going to help you.

Here is some more doctrine of devils for you.

Here are at least 17 days a YEAR the "cult of the Virgin" honors (worships) The Madonna.
This religious organization has more days of Honor for Mary than they do for Jesus.
Thats a FACT.
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Feast Days of Mary


January 1

Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God *

January 8

Our Lady of Prompt Succor

February 2

Presentation of the Lord

February 11

Our Lady of Lourdes

March 25

Annunciation

May 13

Our Lady of Fatima

May 31

Visitation

June 27

Our Mother of Perpetual Help

July 16

Our Lady of Mount Carmel

August 15

Assumption *

August 22

Queenship of Mary

September 8

Birth of Mary

September 12

The Most Holy Name of Mary

September 15

Our Lady of Sorrows

October 7

Our Lady of the Rosary

November 21

Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary

December 8

Immaculate Conception *

December 12


Our Lady of Guadalupe

* Holy day of Obligation

 

[Behold]

Creepy.....

In Nazareth, there is a cult of the virgin Church.
Its beautiful., huge.
In its hall are these lovely and large paintings that represent different countries in the world.
Each one is about 6ft X 4ft, and beautifully framed.
These are in all the halls. Maybe a hundred total paintings.
Every one is of Mary with a Crown on her head, all different, and most have her sitting on a huge Throne.
Some have baby Jesus in her arms.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

as usual “it’s my thread”

Oh well......

1 cor 11 “do this in memory of me”

Correct. We remember HIm and what He did, not pretend to recreate it with the p[erpetual sacrifice of teh mass.

Malachi 1:11
For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.

pure offering or clean oblation or unbloody sacrifice

Pulling a text out of its context makes it a pretext:

Malachi 1
King James Version

1 The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.

That verse applies to Israel and not some pretend perpetual sacrifice of the mass,

 

[Taken]

I think I see what you're getting at. The reformation stalled because the Lutherans refused further light, and persecuted the Calvinists. The Calvinists and the Lutherans refused further light, and persecuted the anabaptists. The Wesley brothers were rejected by the earlier reformers, and so it went on. All of them brought some light, but refused to walk further. Hence why protestantism today still cleaves to so much of Rome's traditions and heresies.
The same supplies to individuals. We may have a certain light regarding some points of truth, but if we allow our preconceptions to rule our growth, we will stall also, and end up fighting those whose light we reject.

General concept.

Yes people identifying as "Christ Followers" (Christians) have their "groups", that don't agree on all things.

I definitely do not identify with Catholics, and no other particular "denominational group".

Christ Jesus IS Gods "True Light", and find Expressly "Following His Teaching", the most beneficial for me.

Hearing, people who themselves Identify with "particular denominational groups"...
Simply does two things;
1) whatever the topic and point, I search Gods Word to verify that be True or not.
2) gives me an broad idea of what that particular "denomination" teaches.

• Interesting...at times; people from the "same denominations" Teach completely different things on the same topic.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

In Nazareth, there is a cult of the virgin Church.
Its beautiful., huge.
In its hall are these lovely and large paintings that represent different countries in the world.
Each one is about 6ft X 4ft, and beautifully framed.
These are in all the halls. Maybe a hundred total paintings.
Every one is of Mary with a Crown on her head, all different, and most have her sitting on a huge Throne.
Some have baby Jesus in her arms.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

that’s Christian Faith!
The deposit of faith is given in whole and complete by Christ to his church (the apostles) eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

And nothing about teh big to do about Mary the RCC does was handed down by Jesus or the Apostles!

 

[Behold]

Christ is the source of divine grace
And salvation
And he came to us thru Mary

Mary is blessed among women, but she is not blessed above them.
Mary is not the Queen of anything, not heaven, not Montana, not Siberia.
She was a sweet virgin Jew who God honored.
She is a descendant of Nathan.
Joseph is a descendant of Solomon.
We are not to make an idol out of any human being, and when a famous church does, they are to be examined, revealed, and rejected.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

once for all
Once bloody on the cross but for all an unbloody sacrifice a clean obligation

Christ is still portrayed in rev 5:6 as a lamb slain

Yep but not resacrificed every time the RCC has a mass! It is a remembrance not a repitition as the perpetual sacrifice of the mass does!

We ned no clean oblation. It was the bloody oblation that removed our sins and purchased our pardon!

 

[Taken]

WHY would I "blame" Peter for anything?
And I don't need to exalt him - Jesus already did that (Matt. 16:18-19, Luke 22:30-31, John 21:15-19).

STUDY your Bible . . .

LOL- duh...asking you a question is a reply expected from your Opinion and your mouth...and has nothing to do with me studying scripture! LOL.

Peter was a man. A Chosen Disciple of Jesus' to carry on Jesus' purpose of Seeking "LOST SHEEP of the House of Israel"

Matt 15:
[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Jesus sent His Disciple(S) (12) to continue His Works.

Matt 10:
[5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
[6] But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Yes Peter was Given more Authority OVER the other 11 Disciples, and assumed that Authority, planning which Disciples would go WHERE and Efforts to keep them all in touch and doing the same teachings.

Not to overlook...the House of Israel has "faultered", in generationally carrying on Jesus' Works.
Far and Few Between is the House of Israel teaching Jesus' Gospel.

You have impressed...Peter has the "KEY" to Heaven....
Do not forget...a New Heaven is in the Future!

And so what are Catholics having Built a Church barring Peters Name, (a man of the House of Israel...)
Catholics...Primarily...Jews or Gentiles?