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[Mayflower]

Sorry, I disagree.
Friend of mine travelling to Lithuania preaching there for the last 25 years, preached at certain places in tongues and it turned out he was speaking in the local dialects.

That is amazing. Or was that a language he studied before he started?

 

[Mayflower]

Thanks for yalls thoughts on word of wisdom and word of knowledge. That makes a lot of sense. I think I heard some different definitions from my church, but I think they are the same. Just how they are described.

 

[Mayflower]

Ill have to watch his videos again. I wasn't there for this series.

 

[Triumph1300]

Or was that a language he studied before he started?

No.

 

[Mayflower]

Well that is why I mentioned...what language is speaking in tongues. Surely you recognize foreigners speaking a language and another responding.
I have a profoundly deaf child and first talking on her own, gibberish.

Well sorry you feel that way! But as far as "gibberish" goes I think God understands every word my kids say too. <3

 

[Mayflower]

No.

Cool. God is amazing.

 

[Taken]

Well sorry you feel that way! But as far as "gibberish" goes I think God understands every word my kids say too. <3

Well, it was gibberish. But with a lot of hard work she speaks perfectly. To me that is a miracle. I have been around many hearing impaired and deaf people, you can always tell they have a measure of deafness. Her own Doctor said he's never seen anything like it.
Her reading is college level, and a speed reader and speed typist. Miracle I call it.
She use to ask me at times why God wanted her to be deaf. I told her because there are many that can hear, but are deaf to Gods Word...but she being deaf can hear Gods Word...and that is pleasing and a blessing to God.

 

[Mayflower]

Well, it was gibberish. But with a lot of hard work she speaks perfectly. To me that is a miracle. I have been around many hearing impaired and deaf people, you can always tell they have a measure of deafness. Her own Doctor said he's never seen anything like it.
Her reading is college level, and a speed reader and speed typist. Miracle I call it.
She use to ask me at times why God wanted her to be deaf. I told her because there are many that can hear, but are deaf to Gods Word...but she being deaf can hear Gods Word...and that is pleasing and a blessing to God.

Well that is a blessing and a miracle. I love to hear stories of God working in a child's life like that. <3

 

[Hidden In Him]

I don't know whether I have share this example of a word of knowledge that was not positive for the person receiving it. It concerned a church elder who came forward for prayer and the preacher had a word of knowledge that the married elder was in an adulterous relationship. The preacher knew that if he had blurted it out in front of everyone it would have destroyed the elder and severely damaged the church. So he asked the Lord, "How do I share this word of knowledge without causing a nuclear explosion?" The Lord replied, "The bare facts of the word is for you. Now I will give you a word of wisdom on how to share it. Tell the elder that ensuring faithfulness to your family will continue My blessing on his life." The preacher shared the word of wisdom the Lord gave him and the elder broke down and confessed his adulterous affair. As a result, the elder was successfully counselled, his marriage was saved, the stability of the church was preserved, and although the elder had to stand down from eldership until his domestic situation was stabilised, he eventually returned to ministry and the blessing of God continued in his life.

So, I agree that a word of knowledge can be negative, and can reveal sin, but along with the word of knowledge there must be a word of wisdom for how it should be shared. Often a word of knowledge can be the basis of a prophetic word, and so the word of wisdom is needed to be able to phrase the resulting prophecy so that those responsible for the sin are convicted of the Spirit without "collateral damage" to innocent people.

Too often, negative prophecies are given without that word of wisdom, and serious harm to churches and people have resulted from "friendly fire".

Well I certainly agree with this. I have interpreted dreams for people before publicly, and didn't realize that they would react negatively to a warning sometimes. I view such things in terms of how I would react, and if it's truly a word from the Lord I'm ecstatic about it. It is given to protect me, praise God, so I'm all ears, and I never pretend to be the perfect Christian or the sinless believer, so even being exposed for sin is something I will welcome because I know it means the grace of God is also there to help me fix it. But I've learned that's not always the way everyone takes it, so I'm learning to be more careful just like you are saying here. It's wise counsel. I just have to not forget it is all, because being that cautious with people doesn't come natural to me, because being guarded is not something I relate to that well.

This reminds me of Achan's sin which caused the defeat at Ai. Joshua got the word of knowledge that the defeat resulted from sin in the camp, so he enquired of the Lord and received the word of wisdom to know how to have that sin revealed. We know the rest of the story about how the guilty person was revealed. Interestingly it involved a person who did his best to hide his guilt and he was found out. But I wonder if he had immediately confessed, fallen on his knees and begged for mercy and might have saved his life and that of his family? Who knows? The Scripture says that it is better to fall on Christ and be broken, than have Christ fall on us and we be crushed to powder.

Wonderful word.

 

[Hidden In Him]

An image like that helped me avoid an accident once. I saw an image for but a flash while driving and knew exactly what was going to happen, then I avoided it.

I figured it a word of knowledge, because it was so fast and imparted knowledge.

Yes. I remember asking people on a WOF forum one time if those who operated in word of knowledge could tell me what it was like, and how it worked. One of them told me precisely the above; it comes like an image on the mind. Mayflower and I discuss these all the time, because we both receive them. And now that I'm paying attention, one image can be astonishingly informative. They are different than dreams or visions in that they consist of a single image (though they sometimes come in groups of two or three however), but they are similar in that they still need to be interpreted. But the Spirit will reveal exactly what is being said if you appeal to Him and keep searching Him for it. Often the meaning will coincide with something else the Spirit is communicating by other means.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I've heard recently that the Assemblies of God had "voted out" speaking in tongues.
Not sure if this is true.

But I do know for sure that the PAOC (Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada)) don't preach much about it.
I attended a PAOC church a few times last year and there was no speaking in tongues.
Nothing about waiting upon the power from up high, as Jesus commanded.
During the early 1980's there was a lot of tongue speaking in PAOC churches.

Indeed. The AoG churches I was associated with in the US were Far different in the 80s than they are now. They seem to be "Pentecostal" in name but not in practice very often. Most seem to have gone the megachurch route, using the formula of a powerful worship team and appeals to the younger crowd. It's more "acceptable" now.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I found this elsewhere, I copied and pasted:

It's been an issue inside the Assemblies of God denomination concerning speaking in tongues. There was a group of younger ministers that sought to "fight" the long-held doctrinal stance that the baptism with the Holy Ghost is always evidenced by speaking with other tongues. Up until like a decade or so ago, the Assemblies of God had their big conference and reinstated the position that a Christian must speak with other tongues in order to have received the Holy Ghost.

It's a requirement for their ministers, evangelists, and for anyone they ordain to have experience the baptism with the Holy Ghost, evidenced by speaking with other tongues. A lot of their churches on an individual level have moved away from this position overall. They don't typically place a strong emphasis on the baptism with the Holy Ghost, but tend to align with a more evangelical, semi-charismatic doctrine.

I personally wouldn't have a problem with them distancing themselves from that particular doctrinal stance - it seems a little arbitrary to me; I mean in the NT some prophesied rather than spoke in tongues, or so it seems - but the problem is that I don't think that's why they are dong so. I think they are doing so to distance themselves from the need to see ANY manifestations of the Holy Spirit, and probably because in their program of "church building" they have stopped seeking God for supernatural manifestations and now turned to man-made Christianity instead.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Chinese are pretty artful in their sauces, so if it was a bread, rice roll, chicken, etc....probably pretty good. They do have some things served in China, I would not be keen on eating.

Like fried cockroaches!

 

[Paul Christensen]

Sorry, I disagree.
Friend of mine travelling to Lithuania preaching there for the last 25 years, preached at certain places in tongues and it turned out he was speaking in the local dialects.

That was been known to happen on more occasions than we like to admit. I think it was St Francis of Assisi who had the same experience when he wanted to communicate the gospel in a foreign country, and felt moved to speak in "tongues" and found the people responding to him in the same language.

It was enough of a common experience for tongues to be understandable languages to influence early Pentecostal missionaries to go to place like China and try to give them the gospel in tongues. Some succeeded, but most failed to make themselves understood. There is the instance of a woman who miraculously given the Italian language to share the gospel, and kept the gift for the rest of her life. When the Holy Spirit has a reason for communicating the gospel, He enables people to speak understandable languages they have never learned.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Well that is why I mentioned...what language is speaking in tongues. Surely you recognize foreigners speaking a language and another responding.
I have a profoundly deaf child and first talking on her own, gibberish.

I have a close friend who was speaking "gibberish" has you called it, in a prayer meeting, and found himself speaking in a Ghanaian visitor's own village dialect. All he was doing was speaking in tongues in exactly the same way that Pentecostals do, but on this occasion it was an understandable language. But it was a one-off for that particular situation.

I had the same experience praying in tongues, and a New Zealand lady told me that God spoke encouraging things to her through me in the Maori language. I had no idea that I was speaking Maori, a language I had never learned at that time.

 

[Paul Christensen]

That ^ is what I believe was the case with the Disciples.
Awesome testimony.

Just because it happened on the Day of Pentecost doesn't mean that it happened like that every time an early believer prayed or spoke in tongues.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Well sorry you feel that way! But as far as "gibberish" goes I think God understands every word my kids say too. <3

When my daughter was three years old she wrote her first shopping list. It looked like random shapes and symbols to me, but she told me exactly what each shape and symbol stood for. In fact, she wrote her own understandable language - maybe not to anyone else, but certainly to her!

 

[Mayflower]

When my daughter was three years old she wrote her first shopping list. It looked like random shapes and symbols to me, but she told me exactly what each shape and symbol stood for. In fact, she wrote her own understandable language - maybe not to anyone else, but certainly to her!

My daughter does that too. Hard to understand her speaking sometimes, but she is getting better.

 

[Paul Christensen]

My daughter does that too. Hard to understand her speaking sometimes, but she is getting better.

I helped my young daughter improve her talking pretty fast because I used to chat to her all the time. I remember that when my wife went to another city to visit her mother, I took my 3-1/2 year old daughter on a road trip over two or three days to explore the part of the country where we were living at the time. I chatted to her all the way, and when my wife returned she remarked that our daughter was talking a lot better than when she left 10 days before.

 

[Taken]

Like fried cockroaches!

Oh yipes! Being born in a northern state, I had never seen a cockroach, till traveling in the south. The warmer and longer summer seasons, huge cockroaches...yuck. Never made me want to set a skillet on the burner.
LOL