Dead to the Law

[theefaith]

Is Salvation depending on you, or is it depending on the Blood of Jesus?
It can't be both.

So....You, like all legalists, think that Salvation is..... "god started it, and if im good and do right, i can KEEP MYSELF SAVED".
You have now defined yourself as a "SELF SAVER" and when you become this, you have no real Faith in Christ to Keep you saved.
Understand?
So, see that? That is HERESY that you are teaching, defined as Galatians 1:8.
Go now and Figure this out, .... and once you do, you'll finally begin to understand "The Gift of Salvation" and why "eternal life" is not Temporary, and why going to Heaven is only based on the CROSS and never ever is it based on your SELF RIGHTEOUS SELF EFFORT.

do you actually have to be righteous to go to heaven?

 

[theefaith]

do you actually have to be righteous to go to heaven?

Also do we have to abide in christ and endure till the end to go to heaven?

 

[April_Rose]

do you actually have to be righteous to go to heaven?

No. Regardless of what false prophets have said in this thread the only reason we're righteous is because Jesus has covered our sins. When we come to Him we become righteous but not by our own doing and this is what really annoys me is the fact that there's false teachings on here confusing members and that's not how it works and I sure wish the staff (no offense as I consider you all to be my friends on here) would do something about it when they're clearly leading people astray.

 

[theefaith]

No. Regardless of what false prophets have said in this thread the only reason we're righteous is because Jesus has covered our sins. When we come to Him we become righteous but not by our own doing and this is what really annoys me is the fact that there's false teachings on here confusing members and that's not how it works and I sure wish the staff (no offense as I consider you all to be my friends on here) would do something about it when they're clearly leading people astray.

i thought it was imputed righteousness?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

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Yes, that is something Martin Luther wrote!

King David did much worse.....where is he at today I wonder....Moses, too was a murderer....Grace sure us unfair, isn’t it.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Yes, that is something Martin Luther wrote!

Luther said we could kill and rape a thousand times a day and Grace would cover it....don’t get your panties in a knot,all you Legalists out there.....Luther was using “ hyperbole”...... look it up....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I was hoping someone would mention this promise of the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34). The OP left it that because Christ kept the law perfectly, that we are under no laws whatsoever as long as we trust in Jesus. Wrong. The old flesh is contrary to the written laws. Jesus made us to be born again with a new nature with the laws written on our hearts, so that instead of being contrary to the laws, they are part of our new nature to keep naturally.

cc: @Charlie24

.....just about as Unbiblical as it gets.....”Jesus Christ is THE END OF THE LAW for all of those that Believe”......

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Notice that Romans 4:8 says, "Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin." It does not say who that man is.

If it is talking about the person who is born of God, it is talking about someone who "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9) and therefore would be speaking of the sins that they committed before becoming born of God.



We are as righteous as Christ in a practical sense (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).

If this means that we are sinless, then the result will be that we don't sin any more.

While I will say that we are not sinless in Christ (1 John 1:8, 1 Timothy 1:15, Romans 7:18); but that, rather, the element of sin, while still dwelling within us, is rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).



Which means that it keeps you sanctified (1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17).

As usual.....completely Unbiblical....Why does God “ Chastise” His Children If no Believers are Sinning....you think maybe He just does it because He enjoys beating up on people......

What about “ The Sin that so easily besets us”....

Why did Paul say to have compassion on any Fellow Believer “ caught up in Sin” because YOU might be next.....

Do you even know HOW to read a Bible ? What’s wrong with you , when you can’t see the obvious....You claim God “ speaks to you”......Somebody May be speaking to you, but it sure ain’t God....you know nothing about the Bible ....you are self-taught, too proud to listen to a good God- Sent Teacher Of The Word, and Boy, does it show.....you need to post less and read more....

 

[justbyfaith]

As usual.....completely Unbiblical....Why does God “ Chastise” His Children If no Believers are Sinning...

I have given biblical substantiation for my statements.

But in answer to your question, entire sanctification is a "second benefit" (2 Corinthians 1:15).

What about “ The Sin that so easily besets us”...

Does not mean that we cannot have freedom from (John 8:31-36) and victory over (1 Corinthians 15:57) sin.

Why did Paul say to have compassion on any Fellow Believer “ caught up in Sin” because YOU might be next...

Gal 6:1, Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

That doesn't say you might be next...it tells us that we need to be on our guard against sin so that we won't be tempted. It is merely speaking of the fact that there is spiritual danger when we attempt to restore someone who has fallen. In the course of the conversation, whatever mindset caused the brother to fall might be related to us and if we begin to take on that mindset, we also might fall into the same situation and overtaken in the same fault.

 

[justbyfaith]

Do you even know HOW to read a Bible ? What’s wrong with you , when you can’t see the obvious....You claim God “ speaks to you”......Somebody May be speaking to you, but it sure ain’t God....you know nothing about the Bible ....you are self-taught, too proud to listen to a good God- Sent Teacher Of The Word, and Boy, does it show.....you need to post less and read more....

Condescending remarks like this only show forth the reality that you don't bear the right kind of fruit and therefore are not someone that any of us would want to listen to or get doctrine from. For your doctrine has resulted in this kind of bad fruit in your life; so if we follow after your doctrine, we would also end up bearing this kind of bad fruit.

I don't think that such a thing would be desirable to anyone...and yet people might still fall for your shennanigans...for you appear to have men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

 

[justbyfaith]

...just about as Unbiblical as it gets...

She gave scripture to substantiate her viewpoint...

Instead of calling her doctrine unbiblical, perhaps you ought to work at reconciling the scriptures that she has brought up with the scriptures in your mind that seem to contradict what she is saying.

 

[justbyfaith]

No. Regardless of what false prophets have said in this thread the only reason we're righteous is because Jesus has covered our sins. When we come to Him we become righteous but not by our own doing and this is what really annoys me is the fact that there's false teachings on here confusing members and that's not how it works and I sure wish the staff (no offense as I consider you all to be my friends on here) would do something about it when they're clearly leading people astray.

Righteousness is a practical thing.

1Jo 3:7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Rom 5:19, For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Mat 5:6, Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

Mat 5:20, For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

1Jo 3:17, But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jo 3:18, My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

 

[justbyfaith]

No. Regardless of what false prophets have said in this thread the only reason we're righteous is because Jesus has covered our sins. When we come to Him we become righteous but not by our own doing and this is what really annoys me is the fact that there's false teachings on here confusing members and that's not how it works and I sure wish the staff (no offense as I consider you all to be my friends on here) would do something about it when they're clearly leading people astray.

It is merely your opinion that we are leading people astray; but we are giving biblical substantiation for our claims and if they go against your opinion, your response ought not to be to try to get us banned but to answer with a response from the word of the Lord that refutes our claims. That is, if your opinion is in fact a biblical one.

(Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are at issue here.

I am thankful for the moderators of these boards that they take a somewhat hands-off approach and allow the Holy Spirit to deal with any doctrinal issues that may arise in the course of our conversation.

You can be certain that my wife and I have prayed about this.

And I will also lift up you and your soul, @April_Rose; for I am commanded to do this in Matthew 5:44-45)

I will not delve into the fact that those who deny the realities that I am preaching often do so because there is some un-surrendered sin in their life that they do not want to give to God; and therefore my preaching offends them because they want to believe that they can continue on in their sins and still be right with the Lord.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I don't keep the sabbath perfectly; but I do try to keep it on Saturdays.

You’re concern and pride in regard to “keeping certain days” is merely indicative of you being a “ weak Believer” ....
We have to put up with you according to Paul but nowhere in Scripture does it say to let the “ weak” to rule the church.....Romans 14
Personally, I do the True Sabbath Worship which is not just one day of the week....I Sabbath EVERY day—- I REST in the Finished Work Of The Cross and the Gospel Of Paul , given to him by Jesus.... ..that’s the only “ Sabbathing” That God is interested in today.....neglect THAT Sabbath Worship ( Resting in the Gospel ) and God will declare you to be guilty of UNBELIEF....( Heb 3 , 4 )
Serious stuff....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

It’s an “ issue” only for “ Weak” Believers......can’t you read? Do you really want to be a milk- reliant “weak” Believer ALL of your life —- and not even realize it when it is spelled out for you....your continuing blindness is astonishing....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Exactly. I love SDA's because of their keenness for holiness, and still have a very soft spot for them. I pretty much despise liberal Christians who brag how much they sin as if grace abounds more in them.

I really love @BarnyFife.

Having the Good Sense to REALIZE one is a Sinner and having the Courage and Honesty to admit it is NOT the same as “ Bragging “ about it....
Do you have a Spouse? Give me three minutes to talk to him....
We’ll see just how “ Sinless” you are.....
Even if you were “ Sinless” , it would be a waste of time.....”By The Works Of The Law, NO MAN ( or deluded woman) will be Justified.....It’s Faith in Jesus alone that Saves....NOT by ones ability to keep the Law......it’s like you live by abiding to the rules of Checkers, and the game is Chess...” The Righteous By Faith shall live” ....NOT “ The Righteous By Performance shall live”..... I suggest you “ get with the program”....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I will not delve into the fact that those who deny the realities that I am preaching often do so because there is some un-surrendered sin in their life that they do not want to give to God;


Untrue in my case.....sorry.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Me too. He's a good one. Came to my defense when I was being bullied by @Blood Bought 1953 and @HisLife.

You are being “ rebuked”, not “ bullied” ....

You think we are “ giving you hell”

In reality , we tell you Biblical Truth and you “ Think” that it’s hell......
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[justbyfaith]

You’re concern and pride in regard to “keeping certain days” is merely indicative of you being a “ weak Believer” ....

See Romans 15:1.

We have to put up with you according to Paul but nowhere in Scripture does it say to let the “ weak” to rule the church.....Romans 14

We do sing a song in church to that effect..."Great is Your faithfulness, O God...You use the weak to lead the strong"...

Which is not to say that it applies...because I am a stronger brother who bears with the infirmities of the weak 24/7.

Personally, I do the True Sabbath Worship which is not just one day of the week....I Sabbath EVERY day—- I REST in the Finished Work Of The Cross and the Gospel Of Paul , given to him by Jesus..

So do I...

” The Righteous By Faith shall live” ....NOT “ The Righteous By Performance shall live”..

In the amplified, "The righteous shall live (and shall live) by faith."

Two different meanings for "shall live"...1) shall stay alive, and, 2) shall make their conduct

I will not delve into the fact that those who deny the realities that I am preaching often do so because there is some un-surrendered sin in their life that they do not want to give to God;


Untrue in my case.....sorry.....

Me thinks that thou dost protest too much...

You are being “ rebuked”, not “ bullied” ....

You think we are “ giving you hell”

In reality , we tell you Biblical Truth and you “ Think” that it’s hell......
.

I believe that it was @BarnyFife who first mentioned what he saw in you and @NotHisLife....that you were being bullies toward me...I am only repeating what was his observation.

Nevertheless, I can stand on my own two feet...for God is with me.

 

[justbyfaith]

I think that I will, also, start calling you @NotReallyBloodBought from now on...

I know I'm supposed to turn the other cheek and all, but I suppose that I am too weak for that (as Paul wrote in 2 Corinthians 11)