A Question About The Death and Resurrection of Christ

[April_Rose]

I think that I'm understanding this right but a lot of people wonder why if Jesus rose again after His death then what was the point of Him dying on the cross for our sins in the first place if He didn't stay dead,.. I think it was the act of Him dying that we were able to gain our salvation and it didn't have anything to do with His death itself. Am I understanding it right? Or is there something else I'm missing?

 

[Kobo]

I think that I'm understanding this right but a lot of people wonder why if Jesus rose again after His death then what was the point of Him dying on the cross for our sins in the first place if He didn't stay dead,.. I think it was the act of Him dying that we were able to gain our salvation and it didn't have anything to do with His death itself. Am I understanding it right? Or is there something else I'm missing?

His death was the mark the conclusion of the New Covenant, the mission for which He came down to earth. Jesus Christ is the New Covenant that God promised His people through the prophets of Old. And He had to fulfill that which was prophesied in order for the New Covenant to be made complete. So on the cross, when He declared "It was finished" right before He died, It was announcing the completion of the work for which He came.

 

[Nancy]

I think that I'm understanding this right but a lot of people wonder why if Jesus rose again after His death then what was the point of Him dying on the cross for our sins in the first place if He didn't stay dead,.. I think it was the act of Him dying that we were able to gain our salvation and it didn't have anything to do with His death itself. Am I understanding it right? Or is there something else I'm missing?

Well, if there was no death of Christ, then there would be no resurrection? IMO, He came to fulfill the Law and to die in our place. If He did not die and rise, then we wouldn't either. And, yes, His dying brought about our salvation but only when we receive His gift, and that would be eternal life with Him! There had to be a perfect sacrifice and only God is perfect and Jesus was God in human "form", so as to suffer all that a human does...and more! Of course, there are those who do not believe Jesus is "HE"...(God) but, how else could Jesus be anything other than God? If He were just an angel, or a "good" human being, then His sacrifice would NOT have been perfect and final.
JMHO

 

[April_Rose]

I think you guys might be misunderstanding my question. :/

 

[Nancy]

I think you guys might be misunderstanding my question. :/

Can you maybe rephrase it?

 

[April_Rose]

Can you maybe rephrase it?

Sure,.. my question wasn't why His death was necessary, my question was how was He able to pay for our punishment with His death if He just rose again anyways? After all, since He took our place if it had been us we couldn't have rose again we would just get the eternal death period. Does that make more sense?

 

[amadeus]

Sure,.. my question wasn't why His death was necessary, my question was how was He able to pay for our punishment with His death if He just rose again anyways? After all, since He took our place if it had been us we couldn't have rose again we would just get the eternal death period. Does that make more sense?

Consider this event during the time Jesus dwelt among us as a man:

"And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.
Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand and were choked in the sea.
And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done.
And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid" Mark 5:2-15
Consider that the man with the unclean spirit, or legion of spirits, is you or me or the other guy before we met Jesus. Jesus was the healer, the One who commanded the unclean spirits to leave the man [us] but he [Jesus] was also the swine who received into themselves all of those unclean spirits and ran off the cliff to their final deaths. No more unclean spirits to bother us but the swine had to die to accomplish that. We are then that man, cleaned up and clothed properly and in our right mind after Jesus did his work...

So then Jesus lowered himself to effectively become a pig and then take on himself all of our garbage and killed himself [allowed himself to be killed] so that the man [you or me or the other guy] could sit then clothes and in our right minds.

Why did Jesus come back from the dead? Part of the pathway. Why did the man without the unclean spirit sit up clothed and in his right mind?

Before Jesus took on our sin, he did not need to die and be resurrected because he was not an unclean beast like all of us were. Jesus alone was clean [without sin]. He did take on our sin so that as a pig he could kill them all [those unclean spirits and beasts] directing them to run off that cliff and die. When the garbage was gone from Him, Jesus could Live again. When the garbage is gone from us [Jesus took it] we can for the first time ever [we were walking dead people before we met Jesus] we could have Life. We were born again because our first birth was to dead people and we had no real Life in us.

Even though it was unnecessary for Jesus personally... the whole thing of his death, burial and resurrection opened the Way and provided the means and example for us to follow:

Follow me...!

"And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men" Matt 4:19

 

[April_Rose]

Consider this event during the time Jesus dwelt among us as a man:

"And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.
Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand and were choked in the sea.
And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done.
And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid" Mark 5:2-15
Consider that the man with the unclean spirit, or legion of spirits, is you or me or the other guy before we met Jesus. Jesus was the healer, the One who commanded the unclean spirits to leave the man [us] but he [Jesus] was also the swine who received into themselves all of those unclean spirits and ran off the cliff to their final deaths. No more unclean spirits to bother us but the swine had to die to accomplish that. We are then that man, cleaned up and clothed properly and in our right mind after Jesus did his work...

So then Jesus lowered himself to effectively become a pig and then take on himself all of our garbage and killed himself [allowed himself to be killed] so that the man [you or me or the other guy] could sit then clothes and in our right minds.

Why did Jesus come back from the dead? Part of the pathway. Why did the man without the unclean spirit sit up clothed and in his right mind?

Before Jesus took on our sin, he did not need to die and be resurrected because he was not an unclean beast like all of us were. Jesus alone was clean [without sin]. He did take on our sin so that as a pig he could kill them all [those unclean spirits and beasts] directing them to run off that cliff and die. When the garbage was gone from Him, Jesus could Live again. When the garbage is gone from us [Jesus took it] we can for the first time ever [we were walking dead people before we met Jesus] we could have Life. We were born again because our first birth was to dead people and we had no real Life in us.

Even though it was unnecessary for Jesus personally... the whole thing of his death, burial and resurrection opened the Way and provided the means and example for us to follow:

Follow me...!

"And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men" Matt 4:19

I'm not really sure what you're saying as in regards to the question in my OP. (I just reworded it later for clarification.)

 

[amadeus]

I'm not really sure what you're saying as in regards to the question in my OP. (I just reworded it later for clarification.)

Sorry to be so longwinded about it. I was trying to help...

You apparently understand why Jesus died but do not understand why he lived again after his death. Is this correct?

 

[April_Rose]

Sorry to be so longwinded about it. I was trying to help...

You apparently understand why Jesus died but do not understand why he lived again after his death. Is this correct?

I think I understand as I mentioned that already in my OP but yes if our original punishment was death how was the punishment still paid when He didn't stay dead? I think it was the act of Him dying for us that brought us to salvation and not His actual death right?

 

[amadeus]

I think I understand as I mentioned that already in my OP but yes if our original punishment was death how was the punishment still paid when He didn't stay dead? I think it was the act of Him dying for us that brought us to salvation and not His actual death right?

The punishment was death, not unending death!

His dying did Not save us. Rather it opened the Door so that we could be saved. Not everyone wants to walk through the open Door. Many never do!

 

[April_Rose]

The punishment was death, not unending death!

Oh okay that makes perfect sense to me now thanks and thank the Lord He is alive forever more!!!

 

[Charlie24]

Sure,.. my question wasn't why His death was necessary, my question was how was He able to pay for our punishment with His death if He just rose again anyways? After all, since He took our place if it had been us we couldn't have rose again we would just get the eternal death period. Does that make more sense?

For mans sin God requires blood, that's how awful sin is to God.

Lev. 17:11

"For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul."

Christ had to shed His perfect Blood in order to pay mans sin debt. He had to shed His LIFES BLOOD, which means to the death, "the life of the flesh is in the blood."

So He had to die to shed the blood necessary to redeem man, but as someone has already said, He didn't have to stay dead.

 

[quietthinker]

I think that I'm understanding this right but a lot of people wonder why if Jesus rose again after His death then what was the point of Him dying on the cross for our sins in the first place if He didn't stay dead,.. I think it was the act of Him dying that we were able to gain our salvation and it didn't have anything to do with His death itself. Am I understanding it right? Or is there something else I'm missing?

Jesus died the second death.

 

[April_Rose]

Jesus died the second death.

Umm no I'm pretty sure that Jesus only died one time and then I do believe that He ascended up into Heaven forty days later.

 

[quietthinker]

Umm no I'm pretty sure that Jesus only died one time and then I do believe that He ascended up into Heaven forty days later.

do you understand what the second death is?

 

[justbyfaith]

and only God is perfect

Heb 10:14, For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Phl 3:15, Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Jde 1:24, Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

 

[Charlie24]

Heb 10:14, For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Phl 3:15, Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Jde 1:24, Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

jbf, I'm going to have to tell you that God didn't give you His doctrine as you have said. Don't know where it came from!

You don't even know that by being in Christ by faith, God sees us as perfect law-keepers when we actually aren't. It's called justification by faith. We are only considered perfect by God, by being in Christ who is perfect.

When God sees us in Christ, He sees us inside the perfection of Christ.

You actually believe you can become sinless, something that Paul said he couldn't do, but you can!

I am now seeing what the others have been talking about, you have no idea what you are talking about!

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

I think that I'm understanding this right but a lot of people wonder why if Jesus rose again after His death then what was the point of Him dying on the cross for our sins in the first place if He didn't stay dead,.. I think it was the act of Him dying that we were able to gain our salvation and it didn't have anything to do with His death itself. Am I understanding it right? Or is there something else I'm missing?

Do you believe that Jesus Christ IS from all eternity, Almighty God, and coequal and coeternal to the Father and Holy Spirit? That, from the time that Jesus was conceived in the womb of the virgin Mary, He took upon Himself the "nature" of humans, apart from sin? That He was still Almighty God, even when in the womb of Mary? That He walked on earth as the God-Man, 100% God and 100% Man, (sin excepted)? When Jesus died on the cross, He was the God-Man, 100% God and 100% Man? If you do, as this is what the Holy Bible teaches, then, as He always IS Almighty God, how could He have remained dead? How can Almighty God die, as God? Jesus Christ, as the God-Man, is only the one Person, with 2 "natures" (God, Man), when He died, He did as the "Person", as the human nature, not the divine nature.

Hope this helps

 

[April_Rose]

do you understand what the second death is?

Obviously not.

Do you believe that Jesus Christ IS from all eternity, Almighty God, and coequal and coeternal to the Father and Holy Spirit? That, from the time that Jesus was conceived in the womb of the virgin Mary, He took upon Himself the "nature" of humans, apart from sin? That He was still Almighty God, even when in the womb of Mary? That He walked on earth as the God-Man, 100% God and 100% Man, (sin excepted)? When Jesus died on the cross, He was the God-Man, 100% God and 100% Man? If you do, as this is what the Holy Bible teaches, then, as He always IS Almighty God, how could He have remained dead? How can Almighty God die, as God? Jesus Christ, as the God-Man, is only the one Person, with 2 "natures" (God, Man), when He died, He did as the "Person", as the human nature, not the divine nature.

Hope this helps

First of all I obviously believe all that or I wouldn't a Christian so that's pretty stupid, unnecessary, and quite offensive to ask me all that and two how does that answer the OP question? (Even though I pretty much have my answer already.)