We must repent of sin.

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Ecc 2:15, Then said I in my heart, As it happeneth to the fool, so it happeneth even to me; and why was I then more wise? Then I said in my heart, that this also is vanity.

Ecclesiastes 2:13-16 KJV
13) Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness.
14) The wise man's eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness: and I myself perceived also that one event happeneth to them all.
15) Then said I in my heart, As it happeneth to the fool, so it happeneth even to me; and why was I then more wise? Then I said in my heart, that this also is vanity.
16) For there is no remembrance of the wise more than of the fool for ever; seeing that which now is in the days to come shall all be forgotten. And how dieth the wise man? as the fool.

No matter whether you are wise or a fool, both still die.

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

Are you thinking of this part?

Galatians 4:4-7 KJV
4) But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5) To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6) And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7) Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

I think of this as a parallel passage:

Romans 8:14-17 KJV
14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17) And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Romans 8:22-23 KJV
22) For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23) And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

So that we are adopted spiritually, with the body to follow at our resurrection/rapture.

Much love!

We have the adoption according to Galatians 4:5-7; which is the redemption of the body according to Romans 8:23.

Ecclesiastes 2:13-16 KJV
13) Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness.
14) The wise man's eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness: and I myself perceived also that one event happeneth to them all.
15) Then said I in my heart, As it happeneth to the fool, so it happeneth even to me; and why was I then more wise? Then I said in my heart, that this also is vanity.
16) For there is no remembrance of the wise more than of the fool for ever; seeing that which now is in the days to come shall all be forgotten. And how dieth the wise man? as the fool.

No matter whether you are wise or a fool, both still die.

Much love!

No doubt about it. So how is the wise person wiser than the fool?

 

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We have the adoption according to Galatians 4:5-7; which is the redemption of the body according to Romans 8:23.

And yet "he who began a good work in you will complete it until the day of Christ Jesus". If our bodies are transformed to incorruptible, immortal, then what remains to be completed?

No doubt about it. So how is the wise person wiser than the fool?

I think what he's saying there is that wisdom, while it may do much for you in life, will not prevent you from dying.

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

I think what he's saying there is that wisdom, while it may do much for you in life, will not prevent you from dying.

Much love!

He is saying that he is not wiser than the fool because his wisdom couldn't keep him out of the grave.

 

[07-07-07]

Jesus said:

Luke 24

1. 
   [46] And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
   [47] And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
   [48] And ye are witnesses of these things.

 

[justbyfaith]

And yet "he who began a good work in you will complete it until the day of Christ Jesus". If our bodies are transformed to incorruptible, immortal, then what remains to be completed?

You think that he cannot complete it in some of us before the day of Christ Jesus?

He is coming for a glorious church, having neither spot, nor wrinkle, nor any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

He will return when He has completed the work in all of us.

Some of us may in fact reach the finish line before others; and does this mean that he will immediately take us home?

No wonder unbelievers are able to make the excuse of "too many hypocrites in the church, so I don't want to join it"!

Because if Jesus takes us home (individually) the moment He has completed the work, there will be no one on the earth to exemplify what Jesus can do in the life of someone who is born again.

 

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You think that he cannot complete it in some of us before the day of Christ Jesus?

It's not about whether He can or can't, He can do as He pleases.

What I read in the Bible, we are waiting for our resurrection to receive that body.

Much love!

 

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He is saying that he is not wiser than the fool because his wisdom couldn't keep him out of the grave.

I don't think that's what he was saying, because he also said this:

Ecclesiastes 1:16-18 KJV
16) I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge.
17) And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.
18) For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

But even having all that wisdom won't save him from death.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't think that's what he was saying, because he also said this:

Ecclesiastes 1:16-18 KJV
16) I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge.
17) And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.
18) For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

But even having all that wisdom won't save him from death.

Much love!

cause the only one that can save us from death , IS GOD , IS JESUS . SING that song .
Let the glorious LORD be praised .

 

[justbyfaith]

I don't think that's what he was saying, because he also said this:

Ecclesiastes 1:16-18 KJV
16) I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge.
17) And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.
18) For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

But even having all that wisdom won't save him from death.

Much love!

I would again bring you to the scripture that is in question, which I believe speaks for itself.

Ecc 2:15, Then said I in my heart, As it happeneth to the fool, so it happeneth even to me; and why was I then more wise? Then I said in my heart, that this also is vanity.

Solomon here declares that he will die just as the fool dies; and asks the question, "Why then am I wiser than the fool?" It is a rhetorical question; and the answer is that he was not wiser than the fool; because his wisdom didn't keep him out of the grave; and therefore he is on the same level as the fool since both he and the fool have the same fate of going to the grave.

 

[justbyfaith]

It's not about whether He can or can't, He can do as He pleases.

What I read in the Bible, we are waiting for our resurrection to receive that body.

Much love!

Think what you want to think.

I find when I read my Bible that the Galatians had already received the adoption as sons (Galatians 4:5-7) and that the adoption is defined as the redemption of the body (Romans 8:23).

Therefore, it is possible to have the redemption of the body in this life.

 

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I would again bring you to the scripture that is in question, which I believe speaks for itself.

Ecc 2:15, Then said I in my heart, As it happeneth to the fool, so it happeneth even to me; and why was I then more wise? Then I said in my heart, that this also is vanity.

Solomon here declares that he will die just as the fool dies; and asks the question, "Why then am I wiser than the fool?" It is a rhetorical question; and the answer is that he was not wiser than the fool; because his wisdom didn't keep him out of the grave; and therefore he is on the same level as the fool since both he and the fool have the same fate of going to the grave.

Solomon asks why he was more wise if it can't save him from death.

You are saying that Solomon wasn't more wise. But he was.

Again . . .

Ecclesiastes 1:16-18 KJV
16) I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge.
17) And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.
18) For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

He had gotten more wisdom than anyone in Jerusalem up to that time. Yet by that wisdom, so much more than anyone else, he still could not avoid death.

Much love!

 

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Think what you want to think.

As if I just select my views according to what I like?

OK.

 

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I find when I read my Bible that the Galatians had already received the adoption as sons (Galatians 4:5-7) and that the adoption is defined as the redemption of the body (Romans 8:23).

What about Paul?

If the foolish Galatians who were bewitched by bad doctine had been physically transformed into immortal and incorruptible, what about Paul himself?

Philippians 3:10-12 KJV
10) That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11) If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12) Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

Not yet, apparently.

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

Solomon asks why he was more wise if it can't save him from death.

You are saying that Solomon wasn't more wise. But he was.

Again . . .

Ecclesiastes 1:16-18 KJV
16) I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge.
17) And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.
18) For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

He had gotten more wisdom than anyone in Jerusalem up to that time. Yet by that wisdom, so much more than anyone else, he still could not avoid death.

Much love!

The point is that Solomon considered himself to be as wise as the fool.

I have offered the scripture in question as a remedy for being wise in your own eyes; but if you don't want to receive it that is on you. Be wise in your own eyes if you so desire. I would only warn you with the following scripture.

Pro 26:12, Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

Take a good look in the mirror and consider whether this might be you.

 

[justbyfaith]

What about Paul?

If the foolish Galatians who were bewitched by bad doctine had been physically transformed into immortal and incorruptible, what about Paul himself?

Philippians 3:10-12 KJV
10) That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11) If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12) Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

Not yet, apparently.

Much love!

You conveniently left out verse 15. (Philippians 3:15).

Much love...

 

[justbyfaith]

As if I just select my views according to what I like?

OK.

Some people do...I'm not saying that that is you...

 

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Some people do...I'm not saying that that is you...

Perhaps then it may be less confusing if you didn't talk that way then.

Much love!

 

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You conveniently left out

This is another of those "intellectual dishonest" moments . . .

 

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You conveniently left out verse 15. (Philippians 3:15).

Much love...

You do realize that when we read Perfect here, it's complete, mature, consumate, like that. The word there does not speak specifically of a physical transformation to incorrupibility.

But looking at the specific statement Paul made,

11) If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12) Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

He's neither attained unto the resurrection of the dead - that hasn't happened to him yet - or were already "perfect", complete, mature.

You are saying that while Paul was not transformed physically into an incorruptible body, the Galatian Christians, whom Paul said were "fallen from grace", were?

Much love!