Questions For A Catholic

[marksman]

A true Roman Catholic follows the Holy See.

Which one is that? The Red See; The Dead See; the See of Galilee;

m not a Catholic, but I've found the answers given by them to be perfectly satisfactory. They explained what they believed and why. The first post claims that this thread is not for Catholic dogma, but for the posters' personal beliefs, so it's fallacious to declare them to have insufficient knowledge; they know their own views, and that's all they claim to express.

I am sure that is what you would like it to be but the fact is they spend a lot of time talking about the rcc and its traditions and catholic dogma. The fact is that they are trying to be apologists for the rcc.

Infact we still say in the creed that we "believe in one holy catholic and Apostollic church,"

Which means to the rcc the Roman Holy catholic and Apostolic church.

You cannot split the personage of Christ - it is heresy. Christ is 100% God and 100% man. All Christian churches teach this doctrine. It makes sense too - my mother is not only the mother of the traits I inherited from her - I am a new creation.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. It doesn't bother you that the rcc is full of heresy.

LDS is Latter Day Saints - Mormon. LSD is a drug. I have asked repeatedly for people to ask me questions - I even suggested using a question mark. BTW (by the way) accusations are different than questions - "Catholics pray to dead people!" is an accusation - I do not answer accusations. Perhaps you are confusing the many accusations on this thread with actual questions.

I am still waiting to answers to all my questions on page 16

 

[Anastacia]

Aspen,

What's taking you so long to answer? Do you believe God, the Father, has a mother?

 

[aspen]

Yes Anastacia, that is quite right and that has show me some thing I had not realised. I looked up Philipians 2:6 which says....who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God, Php 2:7 but made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men. Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

He was equal with God, but he voluntary gave up all that meant and took the form of a servant and was made in the likeness of men etc. That makes it very clear that Mary gave birth to a human Jesus. If it was a God equal Jesus, he would not have needed to relenquish his equality with God and become a servant and take on a likeness to man.

Spliting the divine and human aspects of Jesus is a heresy within the early church. It is not my "nerve" that is claiming this fact - it was defined as a heresy by First Council of Ephesus in 431

Nestorius (in Greek: Νεστόριος; c. 386 – c. 451) was Archbishop of Constantinople from 10 April 428 to 22 June 431. Drawing on his studies at the School of Antioch he devised a doctrine that later bore his name, Nestorianism, which emphasized the disunity of the human and divine natures of Christ. His teachings, which included a rejection of the long-used title of Theotokos ("Mother of God") for the Virgin Mary, brought him into conflict with other prominent churchmen of the time, most notably Cyril of Alexandria, who accused him of heresy. Nestorius sought to defend himself at the First Council of Ephesus in 431, but instead he found himself formally condemned for heresy and removed from his see. Thereafter he retired to a monastery, where he asserted his orthodoxy for the rest of his life. Despite his acquiescence, many of his supporters split with the rest of the church in the Nestorian Schism, and over the next decades a number of them relocated to Persia. Thereafter Nestorianism became the official position of the Church of the East.

 

[marksman]

You try to say all you need is love.

That is what the Beatles said and look where it got them.

hmmm.....I guess you will have to take this up with Anastacia - she told me that being ignorant is fine - why listen to early church theologians - what do they know, right? haha

So did you

 

[aspen]

I have grave doubts about the HS being in the catholic church. The Scriptures say that the HS will lead us into all truth. That being the case, why does the rcc trade so much on heresy?

The HS is not in any church. He inhabits the individual believer who is the temple of the HS. Nowhere in scripture does it say the HS is going to inhabit a religious system or religious buildings.

Ok, I am wondering - why is it perfectly humble and loving to make statements like this, but when anyone that happens to be Catholic suggests a different interpretation of scripture (even an interpretation that has been professed for 2000 years), requests respectful dialog, asks for questions, or suggests some exclusive teaching of the RCC - suddenly accusations start flying about how arrogant the catholics on this thread are? It is sad, yet funny - it is almost like some of you guys have to interrupt your own posts full of scoffing and mocking in order to sound the "arrogance alarm" because the catholics need their egos humbled again.......

All you guys are confirming is that you do not respect roman catholics as equal followers of Christ - and until you do, there will be no chance of respectful dialog no matter how hard we try not to react to all the name calling and accusations - it really is too bad

 

[aspen]

Aspen,

What's taking you so long to answer? Do you believe God, the Father, has a mother?

Sorry Anastacia - guess I was still waiting for you to answer my question about how you could once believe that the Pope is infallible and reject the teachings of Pope John Paul II.

According to scripture, God the Father does not have a creator. He is the Alpha and the Omega. Yet, according to sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture and affirmed by the First Council of Ephesus in 431, God does have a mother. I chalk the whole thing up as a mystery - sort of like the virgin birth.

 

[Anastacia]

Sorry Anastacia - guess I was still waiting for you to answer my question about how you could once believe that the Pope is infallible and reject the teachings of Pope John Paul II.

According to scripture, God the Father does not have a creator. He is the Alpha and the Omega. Yet, according to sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture and affirmed by the First Council of Ephesus in 431, God does have a mother. I chalk the whole thing up as a mystery - sort of like the virgin birth.

I already explained to you that I used to be Roman Catholic.

So you say here that God, the Father, does not have a creator, but that God, the Father, does have a mother?

 

[aspen]

Which one is that? The Red See; The Dead See; the See of Galilee;


I am sure that is what you would like it to be but the fact is they spend a lot of time talking about the rcc and its traditions and catholic dogma. The fact is that they are trying to be apologists for the rcc.


Which means to the rcc the Roman Holy catholic and Apostolic church.


Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. It doesn't bother you that the rcc is full of heresy.


I am still waiting to answers to all my questions on page 16

Since this post appears to have nothing to offer, I thought I would describe the comments.

1. Which one is that? The Red See; The Dead See; the See of Galilee;

Righteous scoffing, mocking, and ridicule.

2. I am sure that is what you would like it to be but the fact is they spend a lot of time talking about the rcc and its traditions and catholic dogma. The fact is that they are trying to be apologists for the rcc.

Implication: The catholics on this thread are purposely failing to follow their own guidelines on the Catholic thread they started. In fact, they are not trying to discuss anything; instead, they are trying to defend Catholic doctrine, with the futile hope of passing off the heresy of their false church as truth.

3. Which means to the rcc the Roman Holy catholic and Apostolic church.

Catholics only believe Catholics are Christian, despite their lies about being inclusive - which we hate anyway because any attempt to be ecumenical really means that real Christians will be forced to become Romanist heretics.


4. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. It doesn't bother you that the rcc is full of heresy.

Oh the irony! Aspen, a guy who only believes in heresy dares to suggest real Christians who are trying to teach authentic Christianity (despite the fact that some heretics from the early church apostasy called it a heresy) heretics!

5 I am still waiting to answers to all my questions on page 16

Answer my question coward. I am here only to teach you that your church is false and evil. Do not dare to get in the way of my God-given calling, with your false doctrines!

If this is how you talk to sinners and heretics - even the Prodical Son would choose to eat with the pigs.

I already explained to you that I used to be Roman Catholic.

So you say here that God, the Father, does not have a creator, but that God, the Father, does have a mother?

Roman Catholics believe the teaching of all Popes

I already explained to you that I used to be Roman Catholic.

So you say here that God, the Father, does not have a creator, but that God, the Father, does have a mother?

Actually, it is heresy to divide the Trinity - it is called modalism. God has no creator: God has a mother.

 

[Anastacia]

Actually, it is heresy to divide the Trinity - it is called modalism. God has no creator: God has a mother.

Aspen, it is a simple question. Are you forbidden from you religion to speak the truth? God has no creator, so we know that God, the Father, has no mother.



And you are wrong about your definition of modalism. This is the definition of modalism:

Modalism is the belief that God is a single person who first manifested himself in the mode of the Father in Old Testament times. At the incarnation, the mode was the Son. After Jesus' ascension, the mode is the Holy Spirit. These modes are consecutive and never simultaneous. In other words, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit never all exist at the same time, only one after another.

 

[aspen]

Which is true
1. I answer the questions, I choose to answer.
2. I do not answer accusations.
3. Even when you disagree with the answer I provide, it does not change the fact that I provided you with an answer.
4. I am providing commentary on Catholic teachings for discussion purposes, not to defend the Catholic Church, despite the many attempts to goad me into doing so.

Which is true

Indeed. So unless you are going to take up our invitation to discuss similarities and differences in our doctrines in a respectful manner; neither of our objectives are going to be met.

According to you but not the majority.

Since when is "majority rule" a determiner of truth? If this were the case a billion Catholics would certainly trump 500,000 Protestants, not to mention the division within Protestant denominations.


We are nothing like you at all.

I really think the secret fear of all Protestant is not Hell or Atheists - it's "Oh no! What if we did not reject enough of the Romanist doctrine! I may still be Catholic!"


If that is the case and as you claim we are like you, don't you think it is a bit arrogant to ask if we have the fullness of God/Christ. If we are the same, if you have it we must have it?????

This may or not be arrogant, but how is it any more arrogant than your former statement? It is actually more inclusive than your former statement.


Evidence for the last part of your statement please?

There is no requirement for evidence for my opinion - there is a reason I did not call it a fact.

Two. What doctrines are you talking about?

Doctrine of the Trinity
Doctrine of the Incarnation

 

[deprofundis]

Maybe we want you to find the question,and then think deeply about the answers we give you. We already know why Catholics do the things they do.

Well, in that case, this thread isn't the correct place for it. It was established on the first page that this is for asking questions to clarify their personal views on Catholicism. If you already know, there is no need to ask.

Which one is that? The Red See; The Dead See; the See of Galilee;

One should not mock others' spelling when one ends one's sentences with semi-colons. Especially since "see" is an actual term being used properly, in this case.

I am sure that is what you would like it to be but the fact is they spend a lot of time talking about the rcc and its traditions and catholic dogma. The fact is that they are trying to be apologists for the rcc.

Actually, they explicitly stated that this is not what they are doing. My desires have nothing to do with it. They may cite Catholic dogma as the reason for their belief, but they are talking only about personal beliefs and interpretations, as has been clearly outlined in the first post.

A mother does not have to be a creator; all life is created by God, yet each of us is born from a mother's womb. Similarly, God is eternal, but was born "in time" as God the Son, a fully divine and fully human incarnation of God on Earth. Mary is not a creator, she is a mother. Mothers do a lot more than "create" a child, if one can even say they do that. There is no reason to conflate "mother" with "creator." She is referred to as His mother numerous times in the scripture, as well. I can find a few if you would like. Essentially, she did not create Christ, He was born through her "in time" and on Earth, though He is eternal and existed before her.

 

[aspen]

Aspen, it is a simple question. Are you forbidden from you religion to speak the truth? God has no creator, so we know that God, the Father, has no mother.



And you are wrong about your definition of modalism. This is the definition of modalism:

Modalism is the belief that God is a single person who first manifested himself in the mode of the Father in Old Testament times. At the incarnation, the mode was the Son. After Jesus' ascension, the mode is the Holy Spirit. These modes are consecutive and never simultaneous. In other words, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit never all exist at the same time, only one after another.

It is a simple question with a complex answer that takes a great deal of meditation and contemplation to ponder - it really is a cool idea. God has a mother, but He is uncreated - wow.

Modalism divides that Trinity - so does claiming that only Jesus has a mother. We cannot divide the Trinity. Another heresy that it shares traits with is the Euchites. Claiming that Mary is only the mother of the human side of Jesus is also a heresy called Nestorianism.

 

[Anastacia]

My replies to De Profundis is blue.

Well, in that case, this thread isn't the correct place for it. It was established on the first page that this is for asking questions to clarify their personal views on Catholicism. If you already know, there is no need to ask.
We ask educated questions. The Bible has many such questions. And you aren't the moderator, are you?

One should not mock others' spelling when one ends one's sentences with semi-colons. Especially since "see" is an actual term being used properly, in this case.

So you get to put down what he says? What you are doing is called being a "hypocrite."

Actually, they explicitly stated that this is not what they are doing. My desires have nothing to do with it. They may cite Catholic dogma as the reason for their belief, but they are talking only about personal beliefs and interpretations, as has been clearly outlined in the first post.[/size]

Is this post made for you to defend Catholics?


A mother does not have to be a creator; all life is created by God, yet each of us is born from a mother's womb. Similarly, God is eternal, but was born "in time" as God the Son, a fully divine and fully human incarnation of God on Earth. Mary is not a creator, she is a mother. Mothers do a lot more than "create" a child, if one can even say they do that. There is no reason to conflate "mother" with "creator." She is referred to as His mother numerous times in the scripture, as well. I can find a few if you would like. Essentially, she did not create Christ, He was born through her "in time" and on Earth, though He is eternal and existed before her.

What kind of doctrine is that? It's not so hard this one. Mary is the mother of the human Jesus. Mary is not the mother of God, the Father. Some here are so confused and frightened by their religion's false teachings, so much so that you can't explain it right without fear of false claims of heresy.

It is a simple question with a complex answer that takes a great deal of meditation and contemplation to ponder - it really is a cool idea. God has a mother, but He is uncreated - wow.

Modalism divides that Trinity - so does claiming that only Jesus has a mother. We cannot divide the Trinity. Another heresy that it shares traits with is the Euchites. Claiming that Mary is only the mother of the human side of Jesus is also a heresy called Nestorianism.

Saying only Jesus has a mother does not divide the Trinity, nor it mean modalism. As for all your other words you want to discuss....I'm not interested. You say "God has a mother, but He is uncreated"....I guess you think Mary maybe adopted the Father?

And you seem to forget, or discount the fact that God is the Father of Jesus. God did not have a baby with His Mother.

 

[Anastacia]

To the Catholics---

Would you say a prayer, out loud, to God in Heaven, through Jesus Christ, asking for forgiveness that you got in the false religion, the Catholic religion?


A man had me do this when I was in a false religion. I first told him no I won't say a prayer like that, because if I did get in a false religion, then it was only because I was searching for God (like it wasn't really my fault if I was in a false religion). The man told me to say the prayer anyway. I still said no, that I won't say that prayer because I might not be in a false religion. But the man told me that no harm would be done then, and he told me to say the prayer anyway. I said yes, I'll say it. Things really started to happen after I said that prayer. I hope that if those in the Catholic church want God's Truth, and not any religion's truth, then they repent and start obeying the Word of God now. Trust in God and ask Jesus to help you.

 

[aspen]

To the Catholics---

Would you say a prayer, out loud, to God in Heaven, through Jesus Christ, asking for forgiveness that you got in the false religion, the Catholic religion?


A man had me do this when I was in a false religion. I first told him no I won't say a prayer like that, because if I did get in a false religion, then it was only because I was searching for God (like it wasn't really my fault if I was in a false religion). The man told me to say the prayer anyway. I still said no, that I won't say that prayer because I might not be in a false religion. But the man told me that no harm would be done then, and he told me to say the prayer anyway. I said yes, I'll say it. Things really started to happen after I said that prayer. I hope that if those in the Catholic church want God's Truth, and not any religion's truth, then they repent and start obeying the Word of God now. Trust in God and ask Jesus to help you.

Sort of like singing a repetitive worship song in an Evangelical church, which is read from a giant overhead projector? Yes Catholics do, but it a little less repetitive and public than the Evangelicals.

[font="tahoma][quote]One should not mock others' spelling when one ends one's sentences with semi-colons. Especially since "see" is an actual term being used properly, in this case.

[color="#0000FF"]So you get to put down what he says? What you are doing is called "hypocrite."[/quote]
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[font="tahoma] [/font][/color][font="tahoma][color="#8B0000"]Actually, the word you are looking for is "hypocrisy" and no Anastacia, every time someone points out your negative behavior and you try to flip it back on to them - it doesn't justify your negative behavior. Sometimes I wonder why you waste time typing when you could just sum up your distraction with the classic "I am rubber and you are glue" defense.[/font]
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[font="tahoma][color="#8B0000"]Pointing to other people's negative behavior to justify your own has made Ann Coulter a rich women and appears to be a favorite of the Devil, but it fools no one.[/color][/font]

 

[Anastacia]

Sort of like singing a repetitive worship song in an Evangelical church, which is place on a giant overhead projector? Yes Catholics do, but it a little less repetitive and public than the Evangelicals.

Don't really know what you are trying to say. I went to Mass with my family shortly after my mom gave birth to me, we went every Sunday.....I went till I was 24 years old. The Catholic Mass itself is repetitive. The Mass is the same every Sunday. Kind of strange that a Catholic would try to put down repetiveness to a non Catholic. Have you forgotten, too, about the repetitive prayers of the rosary?

 

[Selene]

The Jewish Mary is the mother of the human Jesus. You got nerve calling anything heresy. Do you believe God, the Father, has a mother?

Mary is called "mother of God" because Mary is the mother of Jesus, who is God. Jesus is the second person in the Holy Trinity. The second person in the Holy Trinity is God. Mary is the mother of the second person of the Holy Trinity who is God; therefore, it stands to reason that she can be called "mother of God" because Jesus is God....unless of course, you believe that Jesus in not God.

 

[aspen]

Don't really know what you are trying to say. I went to Mass with my family shortly after my mom gave birth to me, we went every Sunday.....I went till I was 24 years old. The Catholic Mass itself is repetitive. The Mass is the same every Sunday. Kind of strange that a Catholic would try to put down repetiveness to a non Catholic. Have you forgotten, too, about the repetitive prayers of the rosary?

Sorry - I thought your post was about Catholics being repetitive in their prayers. Since that is not the case - I have no idea what you were trying to say about prayer.

 

[Anastacia]

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[color="#5d5d5d"][font="tahoma][/font][/color][font="tahoma][color="#8b0000"]Actually, the word you are looking for is "hypocrisy" and no Anastacia, every time someone points out your negative behavior and you try to flip it back on to them - it doesn't justify your negative behavior. Sometimes I wonder why you waste time typing when you could just sum up your distraction with the classic "I am rubber and you are glue" defense.[/font]
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[font="tahoma][color="#8b0000"]Pointing to other people's negative behavior to justify your own has made Ann Coulter a rich women and appears to be a favorite of the Devil, but it fools no one.[/color][/font]

LOL...no, the word I was looking for was hypocrite. And you are showing yourself to be a hypocrite. You say that I do something wrong when I defend myself....and then you do nothing here yourself except try to put me down. Maybe you should take Ann Coulter's job? Hypocrite much? You did everything here that you said I do!!! lol

 

[Selene]

I know that aspen and Selene will be glad to explain Pius X to you, but since I was falsely accused of belonging to his form of Catholicism, and not Roman Catholic, I'd like to say a few things here. Yes Pius X is a traditional Catholic, but he choose to NOT be in good standing with the Holy See/Vatican.

Pius X was the Pope. How can he not be in good standing with the Holy See when he was the Holy See?