Who is Jesus Christ?

[Wrangler]

This warning is not just for you, but for everyone who had the temerity to make authoritative statements regarding something they know so little about. The nature of the Almighty.

LOL projecting big time! The nature of the almighty being unitarian is stated 5,000 times.

The way to properly interpret John 1 is through Deutoronomy 18:15-18.

 

[kcnalp]

Wrong. It’s such a desperate trinitarian reach to suppose this figurative verse makes this statement. Beings and people are not words. HINT: The Word is the Word of God, not Jesus.

John 1 The Word was God.
The Word became flesh ...

John 20:28 (NKJV)
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

Amen Thomas! Jesus is my God too!

 

[APAK]

Yes, precisely. But imagine what it cost the Father as He had to deliberately step away from His Son.. No comfort... No loving encouragement... Jesus died utterly and completely alone. The Father would have suffered greatly experiencing such pain we cannot imagine, holding back that which was in His power to give!
The weight and burden of sin so great... So foreign to Jesus nature... That He thought even His own Father had abandoned Him. And yet in the midst of that He was able to place His trust in the Father's Love... Into your hands I commit My spirit. He did not despair completely.the
The death He died was the second death. A death with no hope. A death that realizes all is lost. A death that is filled with fear and regret. Of opportunities spurned. A death of guilt, shame, and an acceptance of justice for sin. And for Jesus, no reassurance that the sacrifice He was making for lost humanity was going to be accepted by His Father.
How much the Father must have longed to place His arm around His beloved Son, but that the atonement be complete, had to turn away from His Son, leaving Him in darkness and doubt.

Yes, it was a reciprocal regret/remorse by both the Son and the Father at the Son's death. Both shared deep regret although necessary as you pointed out. Jesus could only say...into your hands I give/commit my spirit...as Stephen was dying after being stoned...he knew everything was 'gone'...he could only hope in giving his spirit to Christ...as we do when we pass....

 

[Heart2Soul]

Your last point is riveting and miss by many, even myself in the main...I usually gloss over it....

His faith for sure was so strong even on the cross, that he knew his resurrection was assured IAW scripture....that is my quick answer. Yes he gave up everything for his Father's desire to save all. How close they worked together is hard to know - 'as one' per scripture. They were 'tight' in the most extreme way.
Addition///

I shared this reply and your input Backlit to my wife...she added a great point...Christ did doubt and his faith was weakened at two points...in the Garden and when the Father's spirit momentarily left Christ on the cross....he must have felt lost and abandoned with possibly no hope...??

I was thinking about the time Jesus was praying in the Garden of Gethsemane and scripture says He agonized so much that He sweat drops of blood. It's difficult to understand how someone can agonize to the point of sweating blood....that had to have been extreme hopelessness.

 

[Curtis]

"The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he." John 4:25-26
So then are these the very words of Jesus that we should then believe that he is the Messiah, the Christ, the anointed one?

Were not both King Saul, the first king of ancient Israel and King David his successor both also anointed? How was Jesus more or less elevated than either of them?

Jesus is God the Logos who left heaven and came to the earth that He created, to die a horrific death on a cross for our sins, then rose again.

Obviously Saul and David were mere men, and are not the creator, or savior, of the world

 

[Curtis]

Who is Jesus Christ?
OP ^

In brief ~

Jesus is the name of the Word of God, that came forth out of Gods mouth, from Heaven to Earth, in a body God Prepared, in the Likeness as a man, for Earthly men to hear and see and learn Gods Truth.

Christ is the Power of God, (which no man can See), but can learn and believe Jesus is the Christ (Power of God). Jesus performed a few miracles for men to see the results of Gods Power, that men might believe, Jesus is the Christ.

He’s the word who was with God, and WAS God, in the beginning, when Elohim said, let US make man in OUR image... the world was made by Him, and He was born into the world that He made.

John 1 and Genesis 1.

 

[Curtis]

In no way does this verse support the trinity or co-equality.

Baptize in the NAME, singular, of the three - Father, Son, and Holy Ghost... the three share one name.

 

[Curtis]

However repentance from sins is also a requirement for salvation

Yes per Acts 3:19 and 20:21.

 

[Curtis]

The stipulation of being a Christian is that you must believe that Jesus is GOD.... If you do not believe this... you are NOT a Christian.

I have never heard a Jehovah Witness claim to be a Christian... but then again... I don't follow the non believers threads.

While Jesus is indeed God, scripture after scripture says those who believe Jesus is the son of God, are saved.

Jesus Himself saiid, he who believes on the Son has life...

 

[Addy]

While Jesus is indeed God, scripture after scripture says those who believe Jesus is the son of God, are saved.

Jesus Himself saiid, he who believes on the Son has life...

I was defining what the true meaning of a Christian is. The Jehovah Witnesses cannot in truth be called Christians... as they do not believe Jesus is God.

 

[Enoch111]

It's difficult to understand how someone can agonize to the point of sweating blood....that had to have been extreme hopelessness.

Not extreme hopelessness but extreme distress. Big difference.

All of God's wrath would be poured out upon the holy soul of Christ as He hung on that cross. This would be equivalent to the damnation of Hell. Those three dark hours would be the equivalent of an eternity in Hell separated from God the Father. And that is precisely why God brought a supernatural darkness upon the whole earth for three hours.
And since Jesus Himself is God, He could already foresee this, since by the Holy Spirit He had given us a glimpse in Isaiah 53. "He made His soul an offering for sin".

But in His humanity, He was shrinking from this terrible ordeal which no human being has ever experienced, or will ever experience on earth. So when Christ cried out "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" it was a genuine forsaking and abandonment of the one who was God's well-beloved Son. And all of this was so that you and I would not face the damnation of Hell. This was God demonstrating His great love for His enemies (all humanity).

And yet there are some foolish persons who claim that this ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS FOR EVER was only for a relatively few lucky ones. The rest would be damned to Hell because God had so decreed! Can you imagine such a foolish and wicked notion among Christians? But there it is. No doubt originated by Satan.

 

[Addy]

Not extreme hopelessness but extreme distress. Big difference.

All of God's wrath would be poured out upon the holy soul of Christ as He hung on that cross. This would be equivalent to the damnation of Hell. Those three dark hours would be the equivalent of an eternity in Hell separated from God the Father. And that is precisely why God brought a supernatural darkness upon the whole earth for three hours.
And since Jesus Himself is God, He could already foresee this, since by the Holy Spirit He had given us a glimpse in Isaiah 53. "He made His soul an offering for sin".

But in His humanity, He was shrinking from this terrible ordeal which no human being has ever experienced, or will ever experience on earth. So when Christ cried out "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" it was a genuine forsaking and abandonment of the one who was God's well-beloved Son. And all of this was so that you and I would not face the damnation of Hell. This was God demonstrating His great love for His enemies (all humanity).

And yet there are some foolish persons who claim that this ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS FOR EVER was only for a relatively few lucky ones. The rest would be damned to Hell because God had so decreed! Can you imagine such a foolish and wicked notion among Christians? But there it is. No doubt originated by Satan.

Brilliantly stated....

 

[Enoch111]

While Jesus is indeed God, scripture after scripture says those who believe Jesus is the son of God, are saved.

To the Jews, "Son of God" was equivalent to claiming to be God. Hence the attempt to stone Christ for blasphemy. And "Son of Man" was equivalent to being the Divine Messiah as prophesied by Daniel. The Messiah who was cut off from the land of the living. Hence the accusation of blasphemy again (by the High Priest Annas).

 

[Curtis]

Yes - one person made up of three separate parts, body, soul and spirit - just as we are who are made in his image.

Jesus wasn’t talking to Himself on the cross, or praying to Himself in the garden of Gethsemane, but to the first person of the trinity.

John 1:1 says Jesus was God and yet was WITH God - God the Logos was with God the Father.

 

[Curtis]

To the Jews, "Son of God" was equivalent to claiming to be God. Hence the attempt to stone Christ for blasphemy. And "Son of Man" was equivalent to being the Divine Messiah as prophesied by Daniel. The Messiah who was cut off from the land of the living. Hence the accusation of blasphemy again (by the High Priest Annas).

Nevertheless belief He is the son of god is required for salvation - the deeper knowledge that He is God isn’t necessary. And there are gentiles who are getting saved, too.

 

[Curtis]

No. Jesus figuratively says this. The expression continues to this day. I tell people my wife and I are of one mind, etc. This is a figurative expression meaning in today's colloquialism 'on the same page.'

Jesus also said, he who has seen me has seen the Father.

Echad means one in composite unity, like one three layer sheet of plywood..

In Genesis 1, Elohim (the plural name for God) said, let US make man in OUR image.

In John 1:1 God is WITH God, and in the rest of John 1 you learn Jesus made the world.

Clearly there is a trinity in the Godhead.

 

[Brakelite]

I was thinking about the time Jesus was praying in the Garden of Gethsemane and scripture says He agonized so much that He sweat drops of blood. It's difficult to understand how someone can agonize to the point of sweating blood....that had to have been extreme hopelessness.

While I agree that that time must have been incredibly stressing, I don't think He at that time felt hopeless... What He dreaded I believe was the impending separation from His Father that He knew was inevitable as the sin of the world was laid upon Him. Never before had they been apart... For any reason.

 

[Pearl]

Jesus wasn’t talking to Himself on the cross, or praying to Himself in the garden of Gethsemane, but to the first person of the trinity.

Of course he was. He was talking to God the Father.

 

[kcnalp]

1 Timothy 3:16 (NKJV)
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Yes, that was Jesus!

 

[APAK]

I was thinking about the time Jesus was praying in the Garden of Gethsemane and scripture says He agonized so much that He sweat drops of blood. It's difficult to understand how someone can agonize to the point of sweating blood....that had to have been extreme hopelessness.

Either the expression is figurative for deep emotional sorrow, or that his spiritual and mental condition at that time played on his physical body so much to heat it up tremendously, and caused veins to bleed out in areas I suspect around the nose, eyes and even ears. It is very possible and I will go with this latter explanation.....