I thought this might make a good topic C/P from thread so just ignore the opening.
I've been watching this thread for a while in the beginning I thought you had a point to make but it seems you don't and the flow of it has lead to a catch 22 that Anastacia,is trying to break threw. Completion at the cross is exactly what was said and is just what happened. I was temped to get into this when you mentioned that Satan came before the Lord in Job. You rightly observed that he was cast down but still comes before the throne to accuse. Im going to make this quick you know the scriptures. The first casting down was done by the Father. Lk 10:18 Note; Jesus is the witness. It was Jesus that Satan was coming before in Job. I made my case here that this is Jesus,in the trinity thread. http://www.christian...dpost__p__92473
Next look at what is said here by Jesus. The ruler of this world will be cast out.
Where will Satan be cast out of? And who now will do the casting out. The first time the Father cast Him down. But as you noted he still had access to the throne where he asked to sift Job just as Jesus said to Peter, Satin is asking to sift you as wheat. Lk 22:31But that's about to end. The accuser is about to loss his right to come before the Throne.
Now look here, we see Johns testimony. War broke out in Heaven as soon as Jesus rose and took His place. This can not be speaking of any other time Rev 12. If it is still future then the loud voice verse 10 is yet future. I know salvation is NOW, and has been since Jesus rose from the dead.
The next time Satin will be removed from the earth. Do you see the progression of Satan's fall? My point Jesus life marks the new beginning not only did the old covenant pass away but when that happened Satan was cast out from before the throne of Jesus. Fist the Father cast him down then..............quote David Ps 110:1 in Heb 1:13 Jesus cast him down, but in that Jesus over came death and brought His creation with Him, He made the way by which those He loved could come home. Now what does that leave left to be finished? Certainly not the law by which we can never be justified by. Romans 3:19-20. If you wish to place yourself under the law by all means do so. The keeping of the law is always pleasing to God. But I and my house chose to walk in the power and law of the Spirit. Romans 8:1-2
A loud VOICE John 12:28-29
A LOUD VOICE Rev 12:10
I HOPE YOU HEAR A LOUD VOICE> God Bless
I've been watching this thread for a while in the beginning I thought you had a point to make but it seems you don't and the flow of it has lead to a catch 22 that Anastacia,is trying to break threw. Completion at the cross is exactly what was said and is just what happened. I was temped to get into this when you mentioned that Satan came before the Lord in Job. You rightly observed that he was cast down but still comes before the throne to accuse. Im going to make this quick you know the scriptures. The first casting down was done by the Father. Lk 10:18 Note; Jesus is the witness. It was Jesus that Satan was coming before in Job. I made my case here that this is Jesus,in the trinity thread. http://www.christian...dpost__p__92473
Next look at what is said here by Jesus. The ruler of this world will be cast out.
John 12
[sup]27[/sup] “Now My soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save Me from this hour’? But for this purpose I came to this hour. [sup]28[/sup] Father, glorify Your name.”
Then a voice came from heaven, saying, “I have both glorified it and will glorify it again.”
[sup]29[/sup] Therefore the people who stood by and heard it said that it had thundered. Others said, “An angel has spoken to Him.”
[sup]30[/sup] Jesus answered and said, “This voice did not come because of Me, but for your sake. [sup]31[/sup] Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. [sup]32[/sup] And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” [sup]33[/sup] This He said, signifying by what death He would die.
Where will Satan be cast out of? And who now will do the casting out. The first time the Father cast Him down. But as you noted he still had access to the throne where he asked to sift Job just as Jesus said to Peter, Satin is asking to sift you as wheat. Lk 22:31But that's about to end. The accuser is about to loss his right to come before the Throne.
Now look here, we see Johns testimony. War broke out in Heaven as soon as Jesus rose and took His place. This can not be speaking of any other time Rev 12. If it is still future then the loud voice verse 10 is yet future. I know salvation is NOW, and has been since Jesus rose from the dead.
Revelation 12
[sup]7[/sup] And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, [sup]8[/sup] but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. [sup]9[/sup] So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
[sup]10[/sup] Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. [sup]11[/sup] Here John is speaking of his brother Apostles. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. [sup]12[/sup] Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
The next time Satin will be removed from the earth. Do you see the progression of Satan's fall? My point Jesus life marks the new beginning not only did the old covenant pass away but when that happened Satan was cast out from before the throne of Jesus. Fist the Father cast him down then..............quote David Ps 110:1 in Heb 1:13 Jesus cast him down, but in that Jesus over came death and brought His creation with Him, He made the way by which those He loved could come home. Now what does that leave left to be finished? Certainly not the law by which we can never be justified by. Romans 3:19-20. If you wish to place yourself under the law by all means do so. The keeping of the law is always pleasing to God. But I and my house chose to walk in the power and law of the Spirit. Romans 8:1-2
A loud VOICE John 12:28-29
A LOUD VOICE Rev 12:10
I HOPE YOU HEAR A LOUD VOICE> God Bless