Tares Reveal Themselves by what they DON’T Say...And They Are With us Here .How to Identify Them...

[Grailhunter]

Hell is for Unbelievers. Period.

Back to the belief that every evildoer that can say Lord Lord will go to heaven....Heaven full of evil.
On how many levels are you wrong...it is job to take you to school on this...I need to charge you. You open your mouth and speak against God's Word. Read and heed.

1Tm:5:20: Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Hebrews 6:4-8
4: For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7: For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.


Hebrews 10: 26-31
26: For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27: But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28: He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30: For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31: It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

2nd Peter 2:4-22
4: For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment 5: And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6: And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7: And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds

9: The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: 10: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 11: Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. 12: But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they nderstand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 13: And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14: Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16: But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet. 17: These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18: For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19: While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20: For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21: For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22: But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

2Cor:5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Jude:1:15: To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Rom:1:32: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Rom:6:12: Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

1Jn:3:8: He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Jms:4:17: Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

We all can come to Christ and forgiveness is their, but once your character is set in stone from a life time of evil...You have become the sin.

The ONLY One that ever “Became Sin” was Jesus Himself, as he hung from the Cross.All Of the Sins Of That guy who lived a lifetime of Evil that you are obsessed with? His Sins were on that Cross—- just like yours and mine .....Hitler’s Too!

Total Forgiveness is available for one and all......the question is——did this dastardly fellow “ Cash -In” to what had already been done “ FOR” him at the Cross with Faith in Jesus? THAT is what Counts.....If he did that and that ONLY......he is fit for Heaven.....Grace sure isn’t “ Fair” is it? That fact is the best thing that ever happened to that “ evil man”...... it’s also the Best Thing That ever happened to you and I......

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You are assuming that every "church member" is necessarily born of God.

Paul referred to these people as “ Brothers”.....”Assuming” they were “ Born Of God” is a pretty safe Assumption.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

No need to. That got settled in the last thread about that.[/QUOTE



It got “ settled?” .....lol.....nobody told “ ME! “

Not to be “nosy” or anything , but.....who finally “ Won” this Centuries-Old Debate? Haha...

 

[BloodBought 1953]

However, Holiness is not this impossible standard. Without holiness no one will see the Lord Hebrews 12:14.

So if our lives aren't Holy, we must then question whether we're truly abiding in Christ.

“Our Own personal “Holiness” is as big of a Joke as is any personal ”Righteousness” that we may claim.....both things are “ Imputed” to your account if you are Believer.....

Why “beat around the Bush?” Ya gotta be PERFECT to make it to Heaven ! Jesus took my Sins and In turn, He gave me His Perfection......What a Deal! What a Savior! Amazing Love....Amazing Grace....I recommend that we Embrace it, as opposed to finding reasons to reject it.....but that’s just me.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

God Purchased the Church with His own Blood, The Blood Of Jesus is the only thing that can take away sins,
Amen.


Why do you say “Amen?”.......Your Doctrine says that the only thing that can take away sins is repenting of all of them before you die .....right?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You are only in Christ Jesus if you walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit

Want to “ Walk after the Spirit?” Rest in the Gospel Of 1cor15:1-4.....THAT or anything else that must be done to get Saved and stay Saved is “ Built- In” to it....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Which has nothing to do with OSAS.
"in Me" is a Christian.
John 15:1-2 (NKJV)
1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;

Yes.....but what does “ I will Save to the Uttermost” mean? You failed to answer my question....

 

[kcnalp]

Yes.....but what does “ I will Save to the Uttermost” mean? You failed to answer my question....

Since you ignore the Bible except the parts you like, it doesn't mean much. Oh yeah, you gave no Scripture for “I will Save to the Uttermost”. I gave several!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

But they call Him "Lord, Lord". They believe in Jesus!
Matthew 7:21-22 (NKJV)
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'

Of course they will call Him “ Lord” when they are standing in front of Him in all of His Glory.....there-can be no doubt at that time....However, at that time it will take no Faith....Unfortunately, they became True Believers after it was too late....They were never “ Born Again” and that is the basis for their Damnation.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Since you ignore the Bible except the parts you like, it doesn't mean much. Oh yeah, you gave no Scripture for “I will Save to the Uttermost”. I gave several!

Wow.....you “ REALLY” need to be told where “ Save to the Uttermost” is? What on earth are you doing in a Christian Forum debating the Bible when you are unaware of the basics of it? We are talking Christianity 101 here....

Accusing me of “ ignoring parts that I do not like” .....me or anybody else could accuse you of doing the same thing—— that dog won’t hunt.

You can’t answer the question for good reason...it would prove you Wrong.....in fact, it already has....

Here is the verse for you and other “poor students of the Word”...... do you need to have THAT verse pointed out also?

Hebrews 7:24...... “ Therefore, He is able to Save them to the “UTTERMOST” , they that come to God through Jesus, seeing how Jesus always lives to intercede for them....”

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Back to the belief that every evildoer that can say Lord Lord will go to heaven....Heaven full of evil.
On how many levels are you wrong...it is job to take you to school on this...I need to charge you. You open your mouth and speak against God's Word. Read and heed.

1Tm:5:20: Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Hebrews 6:4-8
4: For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7: For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.


Hebrews 10: 26-31
26: For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27: But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28: He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30: For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31: It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

2nd Peter 2:4-22
4: For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment 5: And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6: And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7: And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds

9: The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: 10: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 11: Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. 12: But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they nderstand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 13: And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14: Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16: But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet. 17: These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18: For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19: While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20: For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21: For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22: But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

2Cor:5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Jude:1:15: To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Rom:1:32: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Rom:6:12: Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

1Jn:3:8: He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Jms:4:17: Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

What a high price one pays for taking verses and even entire Chapters out of context.....Newbies, do 15 minutes of research and Save yourself a lifetime of having your Faith Ship- Wrecked by Confused, poorly taught, people that lack the ability to “ rightly divide “ the Word Of God.....

Google Heb 6 and 10 by Andrew Farley or Renee Roland to get the simple FAITH- AFFIRMING meanings of these misunderstood and “ scary” verses.......

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Of course, you would (if you could) change the Bible to fit what you think "should be" its doctrine.

I never change anything.....I also never ADD to Pauls Gospel Of Grace with “You must Repent of all of your sins before you die or you will go to Hell!”........and “you” accuse “ me” of changing the Bible? Interesting.....

 

[Grailhunter]

What a high price one pays for taking verses and even entire Chapters out of context.....Newbies, do 15 minutes of research and Save yourself a lifetime of having your Faith Ship- Wrecked by Confused, poorly taught, people that lack the ability to “ rightly divide “ the Word Of God.....

Google Heb 6 and 10 by Andrew Farley or Renee Roland to get the simple FAITH- AFFIRMING meanings of these misunderstood and “ scary” verses.......

I understand the meaning of it.
But that is not the point.
The point is that the scriptures do not indicate you can sin all you want and go to heaven.
Heaven is not the reward for evildoers.
I know it sounds like a crazy idea to you, but if you want to go to heaven, you might try being a good person. Christ knows your heart and mind and lip service instead of faith will not get you there. "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

 

[amigo de christo]

Want to “ Walk after the Spirit?” Rest in the Gospel Of 1cor15:1-4.....THAT or anything else that must be done to get Saved and stay Saved is “ Built- In” to it....

But if you through the SPIRIT do MORTIFY the deeds of the body , Sins , ye shall live .
That is walking after the SPIRIT my friend . Any man can claim he walks in the spirit and they can claim they rest in Christ .
But that dont make it so . The evidence of one who is walking in the Spirit , has real fruits my friend .
Anyone can lip JESUS , i used to and lived like the devil . That made me lost . LIke john once said
IF we say we love HIM , yet walk in darkness we LIE and do not the truth . We need a lil more reminders
on things like this . Be encouraged .

 

[HisLife]

It's really kind of sad that you think that you are going to heaven when you identified a gift of the Holy Spirit as being demonic; and also have not availed yourself of the Holy Spirit's offer to grant you the equivalent of forgiveness (2 Samuel 14:14, Acts of the Apostles 3:19).

The gift of the Holy Spirit is not your lying tongue, You really go over the Line of Evil When You Lie and then Try to condemn someone to hell over the lie that came from your own mouth, But as you admit... with you, we are dealing with devils, So with Satan All you can do is Accuse And try to usurp the power of the Blood of Jesus for Salvation, With What...Lies That's where your tongue comes in deceiver

 

[BloodBought 1953]

But how do you know that person was never born again? How do people like @Blood Bought 1953, for example, know that all legalists were never born again and, therefore, the blood of Christ does not cover their unbelieving legalism? Isn't that being the same unfair, scowly faced judgmental person he says the legalist is?

The only thing I know about Legalists for certain ( as I have stated many times) is that they are the ones “ Fallen from Grace”..... I have also stated ( many times) that some people think this means Damnation while others think it means a “ crippled” Walk Of Faith...... I lean toward the latter....According to Romans 10:9 if you truly Believe that Jesus is the Risen Lord—- you are Saved....One can be a Confused Legalist with weak Faith and Still believe that Jesus was “ God in the flesh” and “He rose from the Grave”

Jesus said that “ if you will acknowledge Me before men—- I will acknowledge You before my Father”......so I think the Legalists have a chance.....as does Anybody who has met the two Qualifications...One MUST be a Believer.....one must be “Born Again” ......If one is a “Born Again Believer”, they will meet the Requirements that lead to Salvation....
...,The only Qualification is to “ Believe in the One that God sent”.....that is the “Will Of The Father”..... everything else flows from that simple Belief.....

As far as that “scowly” faced , “judgmental” person that you think I am.... lol.....man, if you only knew....
You see only one small aspect of a man who “ appears” to be mean, because what you are witnessing in here is a man at War.....Fighting to see Souls Saved...Fighting against those that “ ship- Wreck” those New to the Faith That do not have the Bible Knowledge or the Spiritual Maturity to fend for themselves against Legalists and Tares.....I take this stuff VERY Seriously and what you see here on a daily basis is a reflection of all of that.....
You will have to trust me here on this next part.....I am serious. One of the biggest problems I have in Real Life is that everybody I meet seems to fall in love with me....they wanted to hang around with me....be their best friend ......take me places ....Come over to visit me....take me out to dinner.....be their golfing partner.....ride motorcycles with them......you name it !
Far from being “ scowling” or “ judgmental” , I have a reputation as somebody that is full of joy....always smiling.....full of kindness, sensitivity and compassion and a guy that Forgives instantly and fully.....I think people react to the “ Christ in me”. No brag....just fact...
They also are amazed at my knowledge of the Bible......That came from 40 years of listening to and learning from the best God- Chosen Preachers on the planet......some insist on being “ self- taught”, and man, does it show.....the Bible is a very dangerous Book ....Some “do -it -yourself” people just wind up with a brain full Of religious Mush.....they become Blind Guides.....

I think I am meandering off the subject at Hand.....lol.....must be bed time......

 

[justbyfaith]

Paul referred to these people as “ Brothers”.....”Assuming” they were “ Born Of God” is a pretty safe Assumption.....

Really...they were told to watch themselves so that they don't get dragged down by the sinner that they are restoring. That sinner is not born of God...in turning him from the error of his way they will be saving a soul from spiritual death and hiding a multitude of sins.

And of course, if we cease to abide, there is a question there as to whether we are still in the faith.

God Purchased the Church with His own Blood, The Blood Of Jesus is the only thing that can take away sins,
Amen.


Why do you say “Amen?”.......Your Doctrine says that the only thing that can take away sins is repenting of all of them before you die .....right?

That is part of how you appropriate the blood.

But of course it is the blood of Jesus that cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

Want to “ Walk after the Spirit?” Rest in the Gospel Of 1cor15:1-4.....THAT or anything else that must be done to get Saved and stay Saved is “ Built- In” to it....

Walking in the Spirit means bearing the fruit spoken of in Galatians 5:22-23; against such there is no law.

And also, if we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

Of course they will call Him “ Lord” when they are standing in front of Him in all of His Glory.....there-can be no doubt at that time....However, at that time it will take no Faith....Unfortunately, they became True Believers after it was too late....They were never “ Born Again” and that is the basis for their Damnation.....

They said "Lord, Lord" to Him in life...but you are right about one thing...they were never born again.

I know it sounds like a crazy idea to you, but if you want to go to heaven, you might try being a good person.

Indeed; for the fruit of the Spirit is, among other things, goodness (Galatians 5:22-23)

deceiver

There was another called "deceiver"...

Mat 27:63, Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

What was the truth about Him?

Isa 53:9, And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

What did Paul say about this particular problem?

Rom 15:3, For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.

2Co 6:8, By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;

 

[justbyfaith]

I have also stated ( many times) that some people think this means Damnation while others think it means a “ crippled” Walk Of Faith...... I lean toward the latter...

Since I do not have a crippled walk of faith I must be damned...

According to Romans 10:9 if you truly Believe that Jesus is the Risen Lord—- you are Saved...

No; actually you must also confess Him with your mouth.

...the Bible is a very dangerous Book ...

See Micah 2:7.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

But if you through the SPIRIT do MORTIFY the deeds of the body , Sins , ye shall live .
That is walking after the SPIRIT my friend . Any man can claim he walks in the spirit and they can claim they rest in Christ .
But that dont make it so . The evidence of one who is walking in the Spirit , has real fruits my friend .
Anyone can lip JESUS , i used to and lived like the devil . That made me lost . LIke john once said
IF we say we love HIM , yet walk in darkness we LIE and do not the truth . We need a lil more reminders
on things like this . Be encouraged .

I heard the Gospel......I believed the Gospel.....I Rested in that Gospel..... God put His Spirit in me.....Because Of these things , I no longer “ live like the Devil”..... in some ways, I do like Jesus did....the Bible says that he “ went about doing Good”...... that is what I do all day......I “love my Neighbor” , showing them kindness , always trying to build them up, looking for reasons to compliment them and helping them to “ bear their burdens” which are
The reasons why God put us on this planet......
I follow the commands of Jesus—- “Believe and Love” and His Commandments are not “Burdensome”..... they are a pleasure to perform ......