What do you think about gender equality in Christianity?

[Tone]

So single women were an exception?...

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.


....or all women?

I will give you a hint though...there was no Christian Church at the time of the writing.

 

[Wrangler]

Listen,

My female pastor just retired last year. I don't have a problem with a female pastor. I do have a problem comparing women with something to eat.

You said it is disgusting comparing but Romans 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

What meat is that?

The meat in question has to do with Jewish sacrificial meat. I'm sure you can find a good Study Bible to delve into it further. The point of Roman 14 is not to put obstacles in the way of believers. This really is not related to the subject at hand. Men and women are made in God's image and equally share in the life through Christ. Having said that, he made them man and woman, which is not equal.

"Equality" is an evil ideology as I've already written. It promotes a lack of discernment, ultimately between good and evil, making Earth easy pickings for the Adversary.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.


but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Would you say it is an unclean thing for a woman to be pastor over a church?

Of course not. That's the craziest thing I've ever heard.
Edit: I know that was just a question, and not a statement you were making, @VictoryinJesus.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I do have a problem comparing women with something to eat.

Acts 10:11-15 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: [12] Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. [13] And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. [14] But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. [15] And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

I don’t think He was talking about food, do you? Thank you for responding back. The only point is ...not trying to complicate or compare anything to food. Only considering in the flesh there is one above another but in Spirit we are all equally sinners in need of grace and forgiveness and mercy and ...to be cleansed with One Lord and One Head...alike. Get it sounds like where one esteem one day above another and another every day alike seems like it doesn’t fit the topic but to me it does. Because the day of darkness and the day of light. Where He said you are not of the darkness but of the light. Psalm 139:11-12 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. [12] Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.

You say it doesn’t matter but if a church and the members of that congregation say it is a sin or unclean for a woman to lead or teach or speak or pastor over men ...then is it not an unclean thing to them for women to do that within their building. Then what point is there in showing up on Sunday to assert they should do something against what they believe to be sin? That is what that ‘let every man be persuaded in his own mind’ means to me...why debate it? Whether one day is above another or every day alike. (Imo) and it is only an opinion but we are all alike in the Lowest seat and Christ in the Highest and to me that is equality.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Asked here about Jesus Christ and His glorious body being called the second Adam and therefore you are complete in Him. Male and female...Him as the man which declares the Glory of God, and His glorious body as the woman which declares the Glory of the man Jesus Christ who gave his body for his church. cleansing his body by the washing of the word.

consider that ...our spouses do not complete us ...the above union ‘joined’ to Christ does. Get that may be offensive: my wife or husband doesn’t complete me but Christ completes and makes whole: Him being that man which gave His Life and the woman that glorifies the man His body. But consider the surety in spouses who are not whole by you, but made whole by Christ ...never to be separated by death but of the same body, joined, tempered together

 

[Hidden In Him]

consider that ...our spouses do not complete us ...the above union ‘joined’ to Christ does. Get that may be offensive: my wife or husband doesn’t complete me but Christ completes and makes whole: Him being that man which gave His Life and the woman that glorifies the man is His body. But consider the surety in spouses who are not whole by you, but made whole by Christ ...never to be separated by death but of the same body, joined, tempered together

Exactly. Excellent post, Victory. In fact, if we are not careful, a very poorly-chosen marriage partner can tear us apart rather than make us whole. Certainly the right spouse can help us by pointing us continually in the right direction, but the spouse heals nothing nor makes anything whole, at least not in the Christian religion. The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ alone makes us all whole. A spouse either points us to Him or distracts us from getting to Him, and hinders us from allowing Him to do the work of making us whole, through the Sword of the Spirit not made by hands.

 

[Riverwalker]

No. Parsing equality and sameness is a rationalization. Men and women were made to complement not compete. It's a fools errand.

I guess that would depend on "equal" we are equally favored and love by God, and Jesus died for both man and woman. And the marriage is a partnership of two partners working and sharing together. With the Man leading and sacrificing himself and the woman submitting

 

[Wrangler]

I guess that would depend on "equal"

Absurd to assert general “equality” but then qualify only in a limited way. Not the same and not equal.

To be an effective communicator those who advance general ‘equality’ ought to specify what it specifically depends on.

Men don’t enjoy equality of life expectancy but you don’t see womanists advocating for equality in those area they are already superior in.

 

[Riverwalker]

A Stack of 100 pennies, twenty nickels, ten dimes, and 4 quarters are equal, but not the same

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That price was paid for both men and women, therefore they are of equal value in the sight of God. The concept that women need to strive for "equality" is a sad state of affairs where the dictatorial mindset of men is a stark contradiction to the mind of Christ leading women to think subjugation is a biblical concept.

Subjugation as defined:
sub·ju·ga·tion
/ˌsəbjəˈɡāSH(ə)n

noun

1. the action of bringing someone or something under domination or control.
   "the colonial subjugation of a country by means of brute military force"

is not a biblical concept but a result of the sin nature perverting the biblical doctrine of submission.

Eph. 5: 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

so however a wife submits to the Lord, she should submit to her husband.

1 Peter 3
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.

Subjection and submit are both the same word in the Greek (hypotasso) which simply means place oneself under authority.

In commerce it means workers submit to their bosses
In the armed forces, enlisted men obey their officers
In society, citizens submit to the authority of the police. etc.etc. Of course we are not talking about abusiveness.

It is biblical. God is a God of order. You cannot have two heads of the house. Or tow CEO's or two speed limits for teh same stretch of road. etc.etc.

But let us remember the harder obligation of the husband as well:

22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

Do not confuse sinful actions with the biblical commands of submission.

Well off till Tuesday. I have a new Granddaughter to visit.

 

[Wrangler]

A Stack of 100 pennies, twenty nickels, ten dimes, and 4 quarters are equal, but not the same

Right. Equal, yes. Equality, no.

 

[Truther]

Well, I'll tell you what, if you take the time to go through my posts...you'll see my stance, but it seems you are content with sounding like a broken record...

Just get yourself back to Acts.

 

[Truther]

I will give you a hint though...there was no Christian Church at the time of the writing.

Wrong, the church started in Acts 2.

 

[Riverwalker]

Subjugation as defined:
sub·ju·ga·tion
/ˌsəbjəˈɡāSH(ə)n

noun

1. the action of bringing someone or something under domination or control.
   "the colonial subjugation of a country by means of brute military force"

is not a biblical concept but a result of the sin nature perverting the biblical doctrine of submission.

That is rather said assessment of men and women filling the role in the marriage. Both giving. the woman giving the lead to the man and the man sacrificing himself for the woman as Christ did for the church.

When working as a pair of oxen one must lead and one must follow the lead. But together they work and together they achieve their Goals. If you pair up two oxen that are not "evenly yoked" nothing will be achieved.

Submission is NOT subjugation it is cooperation. Just as we all submit to the Lord

If you find that you are not able to bring yourself to fulfill the role God as laid out then do not get married

No wonder there are so many divorces.

As I like to Say, I think I am in charge, and my wife lets me think that ;)

If I did not seek to do all I can for her, it would soon become a toxic environment.

 

[Tone]

Wrong, the church started in Acts 2.

...so says your fathers...

 

[Truther]

...so says your fathers...

You don't believe the church began at Pentecost in Acts 2?

 

[Tone]

You don't believe the church began at Pentecost in Acts 2?

Are you familiar with this word and where it's used in Scripture?

H6951 - qāhēl - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (KJV)

 

[Wrangler]

I speak English. I am Groot.

 

[Tone]

Are you familiar with this word and where it's used in Scripture?

H6951 - qāhēl - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (KJV)

Here's some:
First 30 of 39 occurrences of H6950 קהל


Exodus 32:1 congregated themselves
Exodus 35:1 congregated
Leviticus 8:3 congregate
Leviticus 8:4 was congregated
Numbers 1:18 And they congregated
Numbers 8:9 and thou shalt congregate
Numbers 10:7 is to be congregated,
Numbers 16:3 And they congregated themselves
Numbers 16:19 congregated
Numbers 16:42 was congregated
Numbers 20:2 and they congregated
Numbers 20:8 and congregate
Numbers 20:10 congregated
Deuteronomy 4:10 to me, Congregate
Deuteronomy 31:12 Congregate
Deuteronomy 31:28 Congregate
Joshua 18:1 congregated
Joshua 22:12 congregated themselves
Judges 20:1 was congregated
2 Samuel 20:14 and they were congregated,
1 Kings 8:1 congregated
1 Kings 8:2 congregated
1 Kings 12:21 he congregated
1 Chronicles 13:5 congregated
1 Chronicles 15:3 congregated
1 Chronicles 28:1 congregated
2 Chronicles 5:2 congregated
2 Chronicles 5:3 congregated
2 Chronicles 11:1 he congregated
2 Chronicles 20:26 they congregated

 

[Tone]

I speak English. I am Groot.

Well, if you don't believe in using the exegetical tools available...I can't help you.