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I don't know if I'm just bored or a little stressed........

I'm very frustrated right now. Honestly it seems to be comming from the bickering going on around this forum here lately. We haven't seemed to be able to have a general discussion or a disagreement without judging or arguing. Maybe I just need to get out of the house. I don't know.
 

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I don't know if I'm just bored or a little stressed........

I'm very frustrated right now. Honestly it seems to be comming from the bickering going on around this forum here lately. We haven't seemed to be able to have a general discussion or a disagreement without judging or arguing. Maybe I just need to get out of the house. I don't know.


Start a thread. Perhaps it will spark a civil discussion

 

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I don't know if I'm just bored or a little stressed........

I'm very frustrated right now. Honestly it seems to be comming from the bickering going on around this forum here lately. We haven't seemed to be able to have a general discussion or a disagreement without judging or arguing. Maybe I just need to get out of the house. I don't know.

"And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not." Gal 6:9

Of course, no matter how well a person does there will always be others ready to jump on him. Jesus always did well and He never sinned, yet it was the religious leaders, those supposedly being the men of God, who conspired against Him.

None of us have it as bad here on this forum as Jesus had it when He walked this earth some 2000 years ago. Yet, we know that what you say is true. There is altogether too much arguing done in unkind manners, and I do not exclude myself from this category. Too many of us are too quick to assume the worst of a person, and instead of giving him the benefit of a doubt, put ourselves into an attack mode. We cannot greatly change others, but each of us can do the best that he can and pray for God help to us do it His Way.

Let of all of us pray for God help all of us move closer to Him!
 

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I don't know if I'm just bored or a little stressed........

I'm very frustrated right now. Honestly it seems to be comming from the bickering going on around this forum here lately. We haven't seemed to be able to have a general discussion or a disagreement without judging or arguing. Maybe I just need to get out of the house. I don't know.

I love people who type out what is in their heart and on their minds.

I find it rare. Thank you WhiteKnuckle

You say what we all think from time to time.

I am not as brave as you.

Please never change.

Thank you.
Arnie Martin Woodside.
 

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Believe it or not, I appreciate thoughts like this. Any person who runs a forum should.

I'll admit that I am frustrated a bit myself. I'm perfectly willing to take part of the blame because I've not put together a real moderating team a forum this size requires. As some of you know, we've had our ups and downs. Many staff members have basically quit because of the reasons above; I've watched perfectly good people become hardened and frustrated. I'm looking hard for people who fit the bill and over the past few weeks I've assembled a small group to ask.

In a perfect world I'd love to have people on board who believe reasonably similar to what I believe. I believe very strongly about the rapture, I do believe in the three world ages (aka gap theory), and I do believe in a metaphorical description of a real sin in a real place named the Garden of Eden. I used to stir the pot, and probably less so now. I need to get back to it. The thing about Christianity is I don't fit a mold (I've literally been labeled fundamentalist, conservative, sect follower, and liberal within the same couple weeks) and I don't think a Christian should. We seek way too much comfort in being popular. I recognize that a lot of those things are not popular. I recognize that chances are I'm going to be wrong on some things. However, I don't put it out there unless I'm willing to own up for it. If someone doesn't believe in all or some of these things, so what? I've done my best, and I'd hope they'd say the same.

I think if Christian posters figured out a central truth of forum posting (and being a Christian), then this place would go back to being friendlier. What most folks do not seem to get (I see this play out over and over) is that running down your opponent, insulting, and otherwise belittling/attacking them is not the Christian way. It never makes your point and often does the opposite. I agree with the notion of the persecution complex because you see it on forums. Most often it comes from the ones who do persecuting themselves when they don't agree. The reality is that its generally very hypocritical.

Instead of simply posting a well-thought-out post, the idea is to get the wittiest attack in or even the last word. You end up with pages of regurgitated doctrine of their particular belief pattern, a few insults, and a generally un-loving and frustrating picture of Christianity. What you post on a forum like this is displayed for all to see. It might show up in the search results for a Chinese man struggling with the idea of Christianity. It might be an African missionary frustrated with her faith. It might be the neighbor next door looking for a church. Is that what you want them to see? Do you really want to stand up in front of Father and fail to explain why you couldn't be a mature child of God when the going got just a hair rough?

It's the last day of a year that most will say was a bad one. I've prayed a good bit lately about CB and the future that is has. The site continues to grow and is actually very near its highest traffic levels again - somewhere it has not been for two years. I am not bragging on this, because I had nothing to do with the growth. I feel like God is telling me to figure it out son as I part of a church undergoing the same thing right now. I've not stood up very well and now it's time. Perhaps this thread is an answer to a prayer in more ways than one. So let's put it out there, what has God laid on your heart for CB? If you are frustrated, vent it. If you feel the need, suggest it. Maybe even volunteer?

[bible=John 6:5-12]
Lifting up his eyes, then, and seeing that a large crowd was coming toward him, Jesus said to Philip, "Where are we to buy bread, so that these people may eat?" He said this to test him, for he himself knew what he would do. Philip answered him, "Two hundred denarii would not buy enough bread for each of them to get a little." One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, said to him, "There is a boy here who has five barley loaves and two fish, but what are they for so many?" Jesus said, "Have the people sit down." Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, about five thousand in number. Jesus then took the loaves, and when he had given thanks, he distributed them to those who were seated. So also the fish, as much as they wanted. And when they had eaten their fill, he told his disciples, "Gather up the leftover fragments, that nothing may be lost."[/bible]
 

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Well, I learned my lesson - that Catholic thread was a mistake from the start. It never became the discussion I was hoping for. Instead, it was a collection of insults and misunderstandings. I agree with you Hammerstone - there is no room for denominational differences on this board - I spent the first 6 weeks or so not speaking about Catholic ideas and I should have continued in that spirit.
 

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Here is a problem I am seeing with discussions about religion; it seems that no one knows how to talk about ideas they disagree with, yet disagreements are the only topics that people respond to. No one wants to talk about topics they agree on. So where does this leave us?
 

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Anyone Else Frustrated?

I think if Christian posters figured out a central truth of forum posting (and being a Christian), then this place would go back to being friendlier. What most folks do not seem to get (I see this play out over and over) is that running down your opponent, insulting, and otherwise belittling/attacking them is not the Christian way. It never makes your point and often does the opposite. I agree with the notion of the persecution complex because you see it on forums. Most often it comes from the ones who do persecuting themselves when they don't agree. The reality is that its generally very hypocritical.

I have found the following reasons for people to be hostile when posting.

1. They feel they have been personally hurt or attacked.
2. They feel that they are fighting for God.
3. Luke 18 describes a relationship between self-righteousness and contempt for others.
4. Failure to distinguish the difference between what is right and what is true.

The worst examples of behavior I have found to be in the so-called Christian "science" forums. I generally do not even read the posts in these forums anymore due to the extreme examples of bullying and intimidation.

Being "right" is generally being conformed to some standard. In Christians circles this is often the doctrinal positions of denominations. This often becomes semantical gymnastics like the definition of the word "repent".

One of the "works of the flesh" in Galatians is HERISIS. We get the word heresy from it, but at the time it meant divisions. In a way it is at the core of denominationalism. Often a person or a group will define something and declare it as sacrosanct. Thus anything contrary must be fought.

For example, there are many theories on the exact process of salvation (from baptisms through faith, and onto works). Many people argue over the process and some people are left uncertain of their own salvation. The Bible describes both uncertainty and certainty such that one might conclude that Christian maturity (Christ-likeness) creates a closeness to our Savior from whom we can draw our certainty. This would seem to be more certain than denominational assurances often predicated on specific word definitions.

Another problem is that people think it is their responsibility to prevent error. Paul tells Timothy to correct error, but nowhere is anyone instructed to prevent error. The attempt at prevention only leads to organizational control systems hardly discernible from socialist and communist control systems.

We need to relax. No one is going to hell because of what we fail to do. We need to trust that God will accomplish His purposes with or without us. We also need to be able to handle not understanding everything. There is little to be gained from arguing if hell is eternal or not if we do not fully understand what eternal means. The Greek word Aion usually means "age". However, if we do not understand if eternity is the end of time or time unending, we may not want to get into arguments beyond what we can know or understand.

Complicating things even further are the many people who view Christianity from a "warm puppy" perspective. It is possible to get "chastised" by someone because they felt bad about something that was posted. For example, a person may post a challenge to abandon worldliness and someone else may feel that the poster is lacking in "grace" or "Christian love" by being judgmental or unloving.

The key to cutting through all of the hostility is to elevate truth. If I make a suggestion, ask a question, or offer advice it should come from a heart that seeks the truth in love. If I get rebuked, flamed, or told off, I need to reconsider if my words were in truth and love. If they were, then I should consider that whoever responded is not discerning and is unable to respond to truth. There is nothing that can be done to convince such a person. The best that can be done is to ignore them.

The best example is Jesus. There are times when He is silent and times when He is not silent. One example are the scribes in the temple who challenged Him by asking what His authority was. Because of their position, they had a right to ask Jesus. However, Jesus didn't answer, but gave them a test. He asked them if the baptism of John was of heaven or of men. They responded they didn't know. They in fact had abrogated their authority by having no interest in the truth. If someone makes an attacking comment and demonstrates no interest in truth, there is no obligation to respond.

It has been my experience that frustration is a result of a conflict between what I expect and what actually happens. I usually need to review a frustrating experience and determine what led me to expect something that I shouldn't have. If I present what I feel to be truth, and it is not well received, I do not feel that I am obligated to go any further.
 

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Jude 1:3-4
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
(KJV)


I Jn 4:1-3
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
(KJV)


Acts 20:28-31
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which He hath purchased with His own blood.
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
(KJV)


1 Cor 11:18-19
18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
(KJV)


Heresies will always appear among God's people while this world is still going on. The devil's servants will always seek to destroy with damnable heresies spread among Christ's Body. That's why there will always be contention within His Church, especially in the last days as Peter revealed. To not contend for The Faith as Peter commanded is to allow Christ's enemies to come in among His flock and operate as wolves, tearing at the souls of the sheep. That contention is how those approved of God are made manifest among Christ's Body of believers.
 

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I don't know if I'm just bored or a little stressed........

I'm very frustrated right now. Honestly it seems to be comming from the bickering going on around this forum here lately. We haven't seemed to be able to have a general discussion or a disagreement without judging or arguing. Maybe I just need to get out of the house. I don't know.


Greetings, Whiteknuckle,

To God, be the glory! I hate to see you frustrated. Is there anything I can do or say to help?
 

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Here is a problem I am seeing with discussions about religion; it seems that no one knows how to talk about ideas they disagree with, yet disagreements are the only topics that people respond to. No one wants to talk about topics they agree on. So where does this leave us?

I'm new here and I saw last night that whoever set up the topic on the rapture doesn't believe it will be pre trib.

I believe it will be pretribulation and I'm interested in discussing - not arguing or fighting - what scriptures the differing sides stand on. There have to be reasonable and viable scriptures for each view and as scripture doesn't contradict scripture, why is there a difference?

I'm also interested in talking about who Allah is in relation to the deceiver. They both are called the latter name.

Anyway, I don't know if I'm posting in the right place so I will run(not literally) to the post office: if the Lord hasn't come in the next hour or so, I'll be back.

Steve :unsure:
 

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I'll lace up and defend Biblical doctrines all day long.
However lately it's really been bringing me down, especially because I've started on this forum. I took 3 days off a couple days ago and enjoyed it: that doesn't seem right.

There's just too much heresy going on in these forums. Entirely too much. I understand squabbles over end times. I don't understand the denial of core Christian beliefs.

So I'm torn. Jesus CORRECTED error. Yet, those he corrected never continued to argue their flawed philosophy when shown to be wrong by a quotation of Scripture- there was never any back and forth argument.

At this point I feel like spending the time I spend on here is better spent with more time in the Bible.
 

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I'll lace up and defend Biblical doctrines all day long.
However lately it's really been bringing me down, especially because I've started on this forum. I took 3 days off a couple days ago and enjoyed it: that doesn't seem right.

There's just too much heresy going on in these forums. Entirely too much. I understand squabbles over end times. I don't understand the denial of core Christian beliefs.

So I'm torn. Jesus CORRECTED error. Yet, those he corrected never continued to argue their flawed philosophy when shown to be wrong by a quotation of Scripture- there was never any back and forth argument.

At this point I feel like spending the time I spend on here is better spent with more time in the Bible.


You are not Jesus - sorry to let you know. As soon as you stop believing you are the final word on the scriptures, perhaps we can have a discussion.

 

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You are not Jesus - sorry to let you know. As soon as you stop believing you are the final word on the scriptures, perhaps we can have a discussion.

The above quote is an example of the type of jab that is so wearying. I knew a number of people from the World War Two generation who felt that insulting each other was acceptable social banter. If anyone objected, they would respond, What's the matter, can't you take it". My response was I do not accept the premise that anyone should be required to "take it".

As Christians we should be known for the love we have for each other, not for the clever riposte with which we skewer each other. Our tendency towards the worldly patterns of mockery might be a better measure of our distance from our Lord.
 

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The above quote is an example of the type of jab that is so wearying. I knew a number of people from the World War Two generation who felt that insulting each other was acceptable social banter. If anyone objected, they would respond, What's the matter, can't you take it". My response was I do not accept the premise that anyone should be required to "take it".

As Christians we should be known for the love we have for each other, not for the clever riposte with which we skewer each other. Our tendency towards the worldly patterns of mockery might be a better measure of our distance from our Lord.


LOL -

May I refer you to the closed Catholic thread?

 

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Problem with all Christian forums is that anyone can come in claiming they are a Christian when they are not and cause disruption. The only way those are revealed is by those in the Faith on Jesus Christ and by staying in God's Word. We all know this, for it's the same situation in all Churches too, and has been since the days of Christ's Apostles.

And when those of us who believe on Christ Jesus as our Saviour do come here, but with ideas that are not Scriptural, that is an example of things being taught in today's Churches, and of suppositions that we all tend to have at times. But the main divisiveness I see on all Christian forums is from ideas being taught in today's Churches, and of secularist ideas of this world brought to the forums.
 

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"disagreement without judging or arguing" I am thinking, that is a release of their frustration and stress.