What The Thief On The Cross Really Is Saying ??

Yes, except (f).
Jesus said follow HIS commands as I do.
Dietry Laws just state - don't eat bottom dwellers & scavengers.
The 10 Commandments didn't go out of effect.
statues, ordinances & laws are diifferent animals.

dan p said:

Hi KCK , and Heb 9:15 say He is the mediator of a New Covenant /DIATHEKE ( can be translated New Testament for it is the same Greek word ) that be means of DEATH , for the Redemption of the SINS under the FIRST tESTAMENT/ DIATHEKE ."

Your reasoning has no scriptual standing as all the OLD COVENANT was done away and where is your verses that the 10 commandments are in force today , and are you a Jew ???

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Jesus' Words;

Blessings
Salt and Light
Fulfillment of the Law
Murder
Adultery
Divorce
Oaths
Eye for an Eye
Love for Enemies
Giving to the Needy
Prayer
Fasting
Treasures in Heaven
Do not Worry
Judging Others
Ask, Seek, Knock
The Narrow and Wide Gate
A Tree and Its Fruit
The Wise and Foolish Builders
Matthew 5:3-7:27

Shake it up Jesus!

God Bless,
Mercy

KillCarneyKlansman said:

Dietry Laws just state - don't eat bottom dwellers & scavengers

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There are no dietary laws in the NT. In fact God said that dietary laws are "doctrines of demons" now.

1 Timothy 4:1-5 (NKJV)
[sup]1 [/sup]Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, [sup]2 [/sup]speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, [sup]3 [/sup]forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. [sup]4 [/sup]For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; [sup]5 [/sup]for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Duckybill said:

There are no dietary laws in the NT. In fact God said that dietary laws are "doctrines of demons" now.

1 Timothy 4:1-5 (NKJV)
[sup]1 [/sup]Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, [sup]2 [/sup]speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, [sup]3 [/sup]forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. [sup]4 [/sup]For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; [sup]5 [/sup]for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

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"which God created to be received," some things people eat were not "created to be received."

tomwebster said:

"which God created to be received," some things people eat were not "created to be received."

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[sup]4 [/sup]For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused ...

Hi All,
1st let me say everyone is intitled to there opinion. That doesn't mean we're always right. God gave everyone the right to be wrong, including me. That's how people learn! This isn't to slam anyone but, a few common sense facts need to be observed.

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Because the Kosher laws are based on the types of domesticated &or non-scavenger eating animals.
The misinterpretation of fundamentalists of Peters Vision 3 times was of the 3 gentiles he would meet, not the un-kosher animals that fell from heaven in a sheet. Those represented the different gentile nations.
Plus, Peter was staying a a tanner's residence, which would be considered impure in Jews eyes, until a cleansing ritual was performed before sacrifice.
Cornelius, the centurion would have known that a Jew couldn't enter a gentile house. Peter admits he never ate anything unclean, even though he was a samaritan, galilean. Cornelius, well aware of jewish custom wouldn't have offended Peter with an un-kosher meal.
Amen

Did Christ break the food laws ? No, he fulfilled them. Why, cause he knew that these plants and animals were potentially dangerous. Do you know pigs store toxic material in there fat, which stays there for life? Animals don't sweet necessarily using sweet glands, they pant like dogs and other animalks to cool there body.

Dietary laws aren't sin laws, they are common sense laws, and laws for purification in order to give the proper sacrifice for sins, in a hebrew context.

http://listverse.com...we-love-to-eat/
Here's 10 Foods that will kill you if you eat to much. This is just a teaser. Theres plenty of edibles that will kill. Having the Dietary laws would be important to Israel, Like the FDA is to us.

This covenant you talk about, was institued 3800 years ago with Abraham already. Through wine & bread that Melchizedek bought. Like I said, ordinances, statues & laws are diifferent animals. Some statues & ordinaces were temporary (time dependant), some were just memorials to remember events (holy days). etc ...

Exodus 23:3-17
01 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
02 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image ...Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:

03 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
04 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
05 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

06 Thou shalt not kill.
07 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
08 Thou shalt not steal.
09 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
10 Thou shalt not covet ... nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

None of these Commandments, ie Laws, ever went outta effect! Notice the 1st 2 to God, the next 3 to God & mankind, and the last 5 to man.

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them ... I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
John 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
John 14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

dan p said:

Hi to all , what was this Jewish man reallt saying .

#1 , First we know that he believe in ONE God , in Luke 23:40 .

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Yes

#2 , Second , the Thief believed in the Bodily Resurrection of the Dead , for he spoke to the Lord about " me " and " Thou " and their life after death verse 42 .

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Yes

#3 , Third , his words " remember me when Thou comest into thy Kingdom " , prove that the Thief believed in the Second co0ming of Christ . Since the Lord had not spoken as far as the record , does NOT record any words about that .

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The Scripture does not imply the malefactor on the cross understood all that. Much of that is your own supposition. The malefactor simply believed Christ would some day would have a Kingdom. But our Lord Jesus then told the malefactor what?...

Luke 23:42-43
42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when Thou comest into Thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, "Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with Me in paradise."
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That day the malefactor would be with Jesus in Paradise, is what our Lord said to him. Not tomorrow, not next year, but "To day", meaning once death upon the cross was done.

#4 , Fourth , he knew the Lord would someday have a " Kingdom " , again suggeting the Thief knew or was familiar with Jesus teaching .

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Yes

I , see many things here ;

a) Jesus will come again to set up His Kingdom .

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Yes, literally.

B) Jesus paid for the sins under the Old Covenant that Jews had committed under the O.T. , found in Heb 9:15 .

c) When Jesus died on the cross , John 19:29 , Jesus said " IT IS FINISHED " , He paid for sins Past , Present and Future .

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Not quite. Per Apostle Paul in Rom.3:25, Christ died on the cross for "remission of sins that are past". We still need to repent of our future sins to stay in Christ's Grace, like John showed in 1 John 1, which was said to Christian believers, not unbelievers.

d) It is finished is in the Greek Prefect Tense , which means that Christ could only DIE ONCE , and will never have to die on the Cross ever again .

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That's right. But it doesn't mean He automatically forgave us of future sins without repentance. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling Paul said, which is about repenting to Christ for sins we may commit in the future (Phil.2:12)

e) The Prefect Tense means Past Action with Continuing Results , which means He died once and the CONTINUING RESULTS are that he keeps on saving people forever , until He comes back again .

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As we stay in Him walking by The Spirit. It's conditional, not automatic. Like Paul showed in Galatians 5 about those who walk by the flesh to do those sins he listed, those shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

f) This means that the OT Law was done away with forever

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Not according to Apostle Paul, for in Romans and Galatians he showed it's conditional with walking by The Spirit. If we walk by The Spirit only then are we not under the law. It doesn't mean all God's law was done away with. Even Eph.2 and Col.2 shows that Christ nailed only the handwriting of ordinances in the law to His cross.

Also, the commandment to love thy neighbor as thyself is from God's law in Leviticus 19.

[e) And in Acts 28:28 , and for over 1900 years Israel has been set aside ., and will be set aside , until Rom 11:25 is fulfilled , dan p.

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Not all of the seed of Israel, but only those of Israel which God Himself blinded until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Blinded by God means non-accountability until that blindness is removed. For those of the seed of Israel which were not blinded, or their blindness was removed, they are under accountability if they remain in unbelief, or fall away to unbelief. Many that believe on Christ Jesus of both Israelites and Gentiles will fall away to worship something else in the last days (2 Thess.2).

The majority of the seed of Israel did believe, since that's about the lost ten tribes that were scattered among the Gentiles, and became as Gentiles among Gentiles.