Why are Christians afraid of this line for?

MatthewG · May 31, 2021

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Hello you have you ever read this line here above? If you have not read it in a while will you please do so slowly?

Did you notice that; Jesus says - Not everyone who says to me - Lord, Lord - will enter the kingdom of heaven. So not everyone who confess the Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven? Why is that? Why do those who profess, not able to enter the kingdom of heaven? (The Pharisees and Scribes some believed Jesus some doubted Jesus) I believe that in these days back in the age they lived in there were people who would falsely profess knowing the Lord yet they were not doing the will of Jesus Father who is in heaven.

So the people who are able to enter the kingdom of heaven - are those who are doing the will of the Father. Have you ever see what the Fathers will for us in Christ Jesus?

According to the written letter that was given to the people of Thessaloniaca; The will of the Father for believers in Christ Jesus is simply this:

12But we ask you, brothers, to acknowledge those who work diligently among you, who preside over you in the Lord and give you instruction. 13In love, hold them in highest regard because of their work. Live in peace with one another.
14And we urge you, brothers, to admonish the unruly, encourage the fainthearted, help the weak, and be patient with everyone.
15Make sure that no one repays evil for evil. Always pursue what is good for one another and for all people.
16Rejoice at all times. 17Pray without ceasing. 18Give thanks in every circumstance, for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.
19Do not extinguish the Spirit. 20Do not treat prophecies with contempt, 21but test all things. Hold fast to what is good. 22Abstain from every form of evil.
Final Blessings and Instructions
23Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely, and may your entire spirit, soul, and body be kept blameless a at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24The One who calls you is faithful, and He will do it.
25Brothers, pray for us as well.
26Greet all the brothers with a holy kiss.
27I charge you before the Lord to have this letter read to all the brothers.

Is this something that you do? In the will of God that is laid out before us here in 1 Thessalonians 5: To love others who work beside you; in love striving to live to peace with one another, to gently admonish by the spirit with-in warning others who are unruly, encouraging those who are faint hearted, helping those who are weak, and being patient with everyone, not repaying evil action for evil action, pursue what is good for one another and for all people, rejoicing (even after tough situations or being in tough situations and God helping you), pray with out ceasing?

Many people who are not doing this according to Jesus back in that day are saying and professing : 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

On what day would this be ? The day of judgement for the nation of Israel in my bet estimation ; in which they willfully reject the truth of God and Jesus Christ and did not believe, yet were doing all of these things, but not the Fathers will; they were trying to show themselves righteous by what they were doing outwardly and not allowing God and Jesus Christ to work on the inwardly which caused them to have hard hearts.

So the question you should ask yourself? Are you applying what is taught in 1 Thessalonians 5 to your life and in your walk with and relationship with God, and Jesus Christ?

Would you have to be afraid of that scripture anymore?

Truman · May 31, 2021

A voice came from the cloud, saying, "This is My Son, whom I have chosen; listen to Him!" Luke 9:35

Amazed@grace · May 31, 2021

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

Philip James · May 31, 2021

MatthewG said:
12But we ask you, brothers, to acknowledge those who work diligently among you, who preside over you in the Lord and give you instruction. 13In love, hold them in highest regard because of their work. Live in peace with one another

Hi Matthew,

That's cathechism 101 right there..

Peace be with you!

MatthewG · May 31, 2021

@Truman the Levite

Luke 9: 30 Two men, Moses and Elijah, appeared in glorious splendor, talking with Jesus. 31 They spoke about his departure, which he was about to bring to fulfillment at Jerusalem. 32 Peter and his companions were very sleepy, but when they became fully awake, they saw his glory and the two men standing with him. 33 As the men were leaving Jesus, Peter said to him, “Master, it is good for us to be here. Let us put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.” (He did not know what he was saying.)

34 While he was speaking, a cloud appeared and covered them, and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. 35 A voice came from the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him.” 36 When the voice had spoken, they found that Jesus was alone. The disciples kept this to themselves and did not tell anyone at that time what they had seen.

This is something I see indicating fulfilment of the Law of Moses, and the Prophets. Because of Moses and Elijah being there with the chosen few who went with him unto this mountain I believe (may be wrong) but there Jesus Christ and Moses and Elijah was seen there together. And Peter and his companions were very surprised because they were sleepy and tired at first then became full away. While peter was speaking a cloud appeared and covered them and they were afraid as they entered the cloud.

A voice came from the cloud, saying "This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him."

When the voice spoke they found that Jesus was alone (Fulfilment of Elijah, and Moses) the author and finisher of our faith, and He was to be look to and towards, because He was the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, who came to redeem mankind, by and through the blood he had shed on the cross. In which Jesus was buried and left the world in death for three whole days as the sun and moon passed over head of the disciples who were very sad, and reverting back to their jobs, until on the third day after passing and have been buried the Son of God had been risen again by the Father in Heaven, for justification and victory over sins (that plague our hearts), victory over the world, victory over Satan, victory over the grave, victory over she'ol/hell, and victory over death, came back to life. Meeting them in Jerusalem (Matthew 28:10), and the disciples carried on the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit had came from the Father from heaven, that they could now be able to do much more greater things by the spirit having communication with God with Jesus Christ as our mediator between God and man, that we can have a relationship in open communication with our Father who loves and cares about all.

Thank you for sharing. Do you have any thought on this?

@Amazed@grace

23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.” 25The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When He comes, He will explain everything to us.” John 4:23-25 Thank you for sharing, do you have any more thoughts on this?

What does Cathechism 101 mean @Philip James , I do not know what Cathechism even means, but when it comes to that scripture in particular I would say that individual freedom of thought is needed also for the person who has faith in God to walk in faith with God and that their relationship is a person one between them and God and no one else, what it comes to the (Christian God of the Verses of the Bible that has been written with the 66 accounts of God interacting with mankind since the creation of heavens and the earth.)

Philip James · May 31, 2021

MatthewG said:
What does Cathechism 101 mean @Philip James , I do

Hi Matthew,

Catechism means instruction in the faith.
Obedience and reverence to Christ's authority and to the judges Who HE raises over us is a fundamental tenat of the Faith.

MatthewG said:
to walk in faith with God and that their relationship is a person one between them and God and no one else,

I disagee.

We are called into a community, nit just with God but with each other! We need each other and are to serve one another!
Is this not the way of our Master?

Are we willing to serve the least of our brethren?

Pax et Bonum!

MatthewG · May 31, 2021

You misunderstood me Philip, it is good to fellowship with others like it says to.

What I was trying to explain to you was that anyone who is having a relationship with God it is their own personal relationship with God by and through their God given faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and connection with having a prayerful relationship and learning and growing in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. As believer we can encourage and help people in the faith by and through sharing scripture which hearing it grows and encourages faith and trust and looking towards the promises made by the Lord Jesus Christ and God.

Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of our faith and continuing to walk in Him the purpose that He has for a believer in their lifetime will be accomplished, towards the Fathers will and towards the purpose for the good of God, and for the love of God, and love of others.

Thank you for explaining to me what Catcheism means.

Philip James · May 31, 2021

MatthewG said:
What I was trying to explain to you was that anyone who is having a relationship with God it is their own personal relationship with God by and through their God given faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and connection with having a prayerful relationship and learning and growing in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ

Dear Matthew,

I understand.

And I disagree.

To have a relationship with Jesus, is to have a relationship with His body, the Church.

The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?

Because the loaf of bread is one, we, though many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.

Peace be with you!

MatthewG · May 31, 2021

Ok if so it be. Peace with you to brother.

amadeus · Jun 1, 2021

@MatthewG

Philip James said:
...
We are called into a community, nit just with God but with each other! We need each other and are to serve one another!
Is this not the way of our Master?

Are we willing to serve the least of our brethren?

Pax et Bonum!

Yes...!

"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets" Matt 22:37-40

"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Matt 18:20

"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit." Eph 2:19-22

Reggie Belafonte · Jun 2, 2021

MatthewG said:
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Hello you have you ever read this line here above? If you have not read it in a while will you please do so slowly?

Did you notice that; Jesus says - Not everyone who says to me - Lord, Lord - will enter the kingdom of heaven. So not everyone who confess the Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven? Why is that? Why do those who profess, not able to enter the kingdom of heaven? (The Pharisees and Scribes some believed Jesus some doubted Jesus) I believe that in these days back in the age they lived in there were people who would falsely profess knowing the Lord yet they were not doing the will of Jesus Father who is in heaven.

So the people who are able to enter the kingdom of heaven - are those who are doing the will of the Father. Have you ever see what the Fathers will for us in Christ Jesus?

According to the written letter that was given to the people of Thessaloniaca; The will of the Father for believers in Christ Jesus is simply this:

12But we ask you, brothers, to acknowledge those who work diligently among you, who preside over you in the Lord and give you instruction. 13In love, hold them in highest regard because of their work. Live in peace with one another.
14And we urge you, brothers, to admonish the unruly, encourage the fainthearted, help the weak, and be patient with everyone.
15Make sure that no one repays evil for evil. Always pursue what is good for one another and for all people.
16Rejoice at all times. 17Pray without ceasing. 18Give thanks in every circumstance, for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.
19Do not extinguish the Spirit. 20Do not treat prophecies with contempt, 21but test all things. Hold fast to what is good. 22Abstain from every form of evil.
Final Blessings and Instructions
23Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely, and may your entire spirit, soul, and body be kept blameless a at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24The One who calls you is faithful, and He will do it.
25Brothers, pray for us as well.
26Greet all the brothers with a holy kiss.
27I charge you before the Lord to have this letter read to all the brothers.

Is this something that you do? In the will of God that is laid out before us here in 1 Thessalonians 5: To love others who work beside you; in love striving to live to peace with one another, to gently admonish by the spirit with-in warning others who are unruly, encouraging those who are faint hearted, helping those who are weak, and being patient with everyone, not repaying evil action for evil action, pursue what is good for one another and for all people, rejoicing (even after tough situations or being in tough situations and God helping you), pray with out ceasing?

Many people who are not doing this according to Jesus back in that day are saying and professing : 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

On what day would this be ? The day of judgement for the nation of Israel in my bet estimation ; in which they willfully reject the truth of God and Jesus Christ and did not believe, yet were doing all of these things, but not the Fathers will; they were trying to show themselves righteous by what they were doing outwardly and not allowing God and Jesus Christ to work on the inwardly which caused them to have hard hearts.

So the question you should ask yourself? Are you applying what is taught in 1 Thessalonians 5 to your life and in your walk with and relationship with God, and Jesus Christ?

Would you have to be afraid of that scripture anymore?

There is a list in the Bible who can not enter into the Kingdom of God as well, because such are truly not born again, who do and are such. it's not for them they do not cut it to be like Nathaniel, who Jesus said was a true Israelite in fact, so one must be worthy.
One can claim anything that they want, but who is it that they are talking to ? that's the point.

Like one who boast of going to Heaven ? but who are they talking to ? me ? what about the Lord ? are such saying it to him

or does he not enter into the picture. they are pushing their own barrow Religion.

Rom 10.6 but the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into Heaven ? (that is, to bring Christ down from above.) 10.7 or, who shall descend into the deep ? (that is, to bring Christ up again from the dead.) that is a key point that you do not hear from scoundrels who boast their own will.

BARNEY BRIGHT · Jun 2, 2021

Philip James said:
Dear Matthew,

I understand.

And I disagree.

To have a relationship with Jesus, is to have a relationship with His body, the Church.

The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?

Because the loaf of bread is one, we, though many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.

Peace be with you!

While I agree one must have a relationship with the church that Jesus is head of and such church has Gods Holy Spirit, I honestly don't think that true church that Jesus is head of and has Gods Holy Spirit is the Catholic or protestant church's that have what I honestly believe has false doctrines such as the Trinity, immortality of the Soul, and the hellfire doctrine, to name a few.

amadeus · Jun 2, 2021

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
While I agree one must have a relationship with the church that Jesus is head of and such church has Gods Holy Spirit, I honestly don't think that true church that Jesus is head of and has Gods Holy Spirit is the Catholic or protestant church's that have what I honestly believe has false doctrines such as the Trinity, immortality of the Soul, and the hellfire doctrine, to name a few.

Of course brother you were speaking from your own heart from the place where God has brought you up until this time. Others, here, as you most certainly already know, disagree and strongly condemn you when you boldly speak out. I actually agree probably with more of your beliefs than the beliefs I see too often manifested in others here, but neither am I line with all of your beliefs.

Some may be sincere in their beliefs as well and we should be willing to admit the possible reality of that sincerity [even if we disagree with the beliefs themselves] and know that God is looking at all of our hearts. That some may indeed be simply following their own 'tribe' and as such are really very disconnected from the Body of Christ. Don't let yourself be drawn into such a thing... Simply love God in all that that means to Him!

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matt 7:13-14

Eternally Grateful · Jun 2, 2021

Let’s look at the passage

Matthew 7:21–23 (NKJV): Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

They Call Christ their lord, yet do they do the will of the father?

22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’

the question we need to ask is WHY are they professing all these works to Jesus. Do they not understand God knows their works? To me they are claiming this is why God should let them into heaven, ie, they placed their faith in these works as their means of eternal life.

23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

the conclusion to this passage is in truth

1. These people were never saved (Jesus declared, I NEVER KNEW YOU)
2. The people lived a life of sin, even though they most likely were avid church goers.
3. John, on his epistle said whoever sins has never seen or known God. so although these people claimed to know God they really did not
4. these people did not lose salvation. they never had it.

MatthewG · Jun 2, 2021

Intreesting

amigo de christo · Jun 2, 2021

Eternally Grateful said:
Let’s look at the passage

Matthew 7:21–23 (NKJV): Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

They Call Christ their lord, yet do they do the will of the father?

22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’

the question we need to ask is WHY are they professing all these works to Jesus. Do they not understand God knows their works? To me they are claiming this is why God should let them into heaven, ie, they placed their faith in these works as their means of eternal life.

23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

the conclusion to this passage is in truth

1. These people were never saved (Jesus declared, I NEVER KNEW YOU)
2. The people lived a life of sin, even though they most likely were avid church goers.
3. John, on his epistle said whoever sins has never seen or known God. so although these people claimed to know God they really did not
4. these people did not lose salvation. they never had it.

I am living proof that these kinds do exist . I used to name His name , yet my heart did not follow Christ .
I had only head knowledge , i lived as i pleased and love my sin . And though i sure could appear very nice ,
very loving , very kind and had good deeds , I WORKED INQUITY and loved the darkness .
MANY will indeed say , LORD , LORD , but they never truly followed HIM . They had what james would call , dead faith .
It was not real faith .

amigo de christo · Jun 2, 2021

For you are saved by grace and that not OF yourselves . IS TOTAL TRUTH . YES IT IS .
NOW LET THE LORD BE PRAISED . TIME to raise those hands and praise the glorious Lord .
WHO does God draw us too , JESUS , Faith in JESUS . NOW LET THE KING BE PRAISED .
And as HE once said on earth and from heaven , He who endures unto the end the same shall be saved .
Let the lambs exhort one another daily and so much the more as we see THE DAY approaching .

Mantis · Jun 2, 2021

I know the Lord and I don't think of myself worthy to know him. I feel like I fail his tests regularly and am a wretched sinner when compared to his glory. But I know that I know him and if he said "depart from me, I never knew you" he would be lying. I think when you truly look for God you find Christ, or he finds you.

I really wonder how many pastors and preachers there are that don't know Christ. When I see preachers depart from the faith and publicly renounce christianity, I know those people don't know God. I wish we could see the tares.

Philip James · Jun 2, 2021

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
I agree one must have a relationship with the church that Jesus is head of and such church has Gods Holy Spirit,

Hi Barney,

A point of agreement is always a good way to start a discussion.

I hope you would agree tha Jesus founded His Church through the apostles in various locations.
We see these 'particular churches' spoken of as the Church in Antioch, the Church in Alexandria, the Church in Smyrna, etc..
Yet in all of these particular churches, is the One Church, that is Christ's body..
The community who Jesus promised to be with till the end of the age..

And i would suggest that that which is held everywhere by everyone as True is certainly that which the whole Church received from Christ through the apostles..

What beliefs and practices do all the 2000 year old apostolic communities have in common?

Are there any 2000 year old apostolic communites that teach contary to these things?

Peace be with you!

BARNEY BRIGHT · Jun 2, 2021

Philip James said:
Hi Barney,

A point of agreement is always a good way to start a discussion.

I hope you would agree tha Jesus founded His Church through the apostles in various locations.
We see these 'particular churches' spoken of as the Church in Antioch, the Church in Alexandria, the Church in Smyrna, etc..
Yet in all of these particular churches, is the One Church, that is Christ's body..
The community who Jesus promised to be with till the end of the age..

And i would suggest that that which is held everywhere by everyone as True is certainly that which the whole Church received from Christ through the apostles..

What beliefs and practices do all the 2000 year old apostolic communities have in common?

Are there any 2000 year old apostolic communites that teach contary to these things?

Peace be with you!

I certainly agree that the church is Jesus body and it's a global church. I also know that Jesus and his Apostles taught that there was going to be an apostasy that would develope(Wheat & weeds) which means there would be a great falling away of the truth. Following the death of the first century Christian Apostles, apostate church leaders increasingly deviated from Christ teachings, just as the scriptures foretold.(Acts 20:29,30) A corrupted church eventually became more and more entangled with the secular state.
In the fourth century Roman Emperor Constantine supposedly converted to Christianity on his death bed. From that time the exchange of the idol standards for the banner of the cross laid every Christian under obligation to serve as a soldier. Of course true Christians really had no such obligation.
The persuasive arguments of human philosophy led this corrupt church into gross violations of all that Christ stood for. Some very deceptive arguments have long been used to justify human wars and conflicts. Really though can a person who is truly humane and a godly person to get involved in the diabolism of war, as systematically practiced in ancient or modern times can't for a moment be reconciled with, the principles of true Christianity. Christendom has a record of fighting wars in the name of Jesus Christ. No one can ever convince me that Protestants killing Protestants and Catholics killing Catholics in the name of war has united such people in love.
Trinity, immortality of the Soul, and hellfire doctrine to name a few are not what the Apostle taught. I have not found these doctrines in scripture. So anyone trying to claim because there are many churches world wide that teaches these doctrines as proof that the Apostles taught these false teachings, that isn't true. Christendom and those who agree with her teachings is part of the apostate church.

Why are Christians afraid of this line for?

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