Some Parts of the Old Testament Written to Try Us. Try may have same meaning as test.

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"Chapter XX.—Some Parts of the Old Testament Written to Try Us

Wherefore every man who wishes to be saved must become, as the Teacher said, a judge of the books written to try us. For thus He spake: 'Become experienced bankers.' Now the need of bankers arises from the circumstance that the spurious is mixed up with the genuine."

From The Clementine Homilies.

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With all the Revisionist "change agents" in the world today, and on the Internet, HOW can we know the electronic version of those writings are from the ORIGINAL book editions???

We can't.

Better for the majority of believers to stick with God's Holy Writ unless God has prepared you to have discernment with the writings of others throughout history.
 
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veteran,

With all the Revisionist "change agents" in the world today, and on the Internet, HOW can we know the electronic version of those writings are from the ORIGINAL book editions???

We can't.

Better for the majority of believers to stick with God's Holy Writ unless God has prepared you to have discernment with the writings of others throughout history.

Will you look at some evidence below ?

From The Clementine Homilies.

Chapter XLIII.—A Priori Argument on the Divine Attributes.

“Wherefore, far be it from us to believe that the Lord of all, who made the heaven and the earth, and all things that are in them, shares His government with others, or that He lies. For if He lies, then who speaks truth? Or that He makes experiments as in ignorance; for then who foreknows? And if He deliberates, and changes His purpose, who is perfect in understanding and permanent in design? If He envies, who is above rivalry? If He hardens hearts, who makes wise? If He makes blind and deaf, who has given sight and hearing? If He commits pilfering, who administers justice? If He mocks, who is sincere? If He is weak, who is omnipotent? If He is unjust, who is just? If He makes evil things, who shall make good things? If He does evil, who shall do good?


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i do not believe any of the old testament was put there to test us. teach us yes test us no. where i believe error comes in is when people assume things that are not written in the word. then someone else comes along and takes what was assumed and expands on it until we cannot even recognize how these saying even came about. this is why we have so many different kinds of denominations of the christian church.

all we need to do is have the Holy Spirit within us and be sensitive enough to hear him speak to us. because the word teaches that the Holy Spirit will reveal the mysteries of God. so can you hear the Holy Spirit? if not you have a hard heart in that area and you need to go to God to get it resolved.

God bless
 
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7angels,

i do not believe any of the old testament was put there to test us. teach us yes test us no. where i believe error comes in is when people assume things that are not written in the word. then someone else comes along and takes what was assumed and expands on it until we cannot even recognize how these saying even came about. this is why we have so many different kinds of denominations of the christian church.

all we need to do is have the Holy Spirit within us and be sensitive enough to hear him speak to us. because the word teaches that the Holy Spirit will reveal the mysteries of God. so can you hear the Holy Spirit? if not you have a hard heart in that area and you need to go to God to get it resolved.

God bless

I'm tired, will you look at the evidence in post #3 if you haven't and below ?

From The Recognitions of Clement.

Chapter XXXVIII.—Corruption of the Law.

“For the Scriptures have had joined to them many falsehoods against God on this account. The prophet Moses having by the order of God delivered the law, with the explanations, to certain chosen men, some seventy in number, in order that they also might instruct such of the people as chose, after a little the written law had added to it certain falsehoods contrary to the law of God, who made the heaven and the earth, and all things in them; the wicked one having dared to work this for some righteous purpose. And this took place in reason and judgment, that those might be convicted who should dare to listen to the things written against God, and those who, through love towards Him, should not only disbelieve the things spoken against Him, but should not even endure to hear them at all, even if they should happen to be true, judging it much safer to incur danger with respect to religious faith, than to live with an evil conscience on account of blasphemous words.

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People,

Is God ignorant in reality as you may see in the scripture below ?

Genesis 18

20 Then the Lord said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”

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People,

THE PHILOCALIA OF ORIGEN

CHAP. I. ----Of the inspiration of the Divine Scripture; how it is to be read and understood; why it is obscure; and what is the reason of the obscurity in it, and of what is impossible in some cases, or unreasonable, when it is taken literally. From the work on "Principles" and various other works of Origen.

The following analysis of Origen's scheme of interpretation may be useful to the reader:----

Interpretation

Literal (Body) Moral (Soul)

Actual
History.

Fictitious
History.

Invented by the Holy Spirit
to convey moral and mystical
truths which earthly things
could not sufficiently typify.
In the law some things
were literally to be observed;
others were in the letter impossible
or absurd, but were intended
to convey moral and mystical teaching.

Mystical (Spirit) Moral (Soul)

Allegory.

Prefiguring the
history of Christ
and His Church.

Anagoge.

Typifying the
things of a higher
world in which
everything of this
earth has its antitype.

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