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Hi IAmAWitness,


You said:

"Sherry Shriner is completely submitted to Satan. However, I will say she undertook a much needed task in order to compile that list. No one but America fits this description."


I'm interested as to why you say that. There are things I question about her such as her "orgone blasters", which I find very odd. I find myself agreeing and disagreeing with her. Interested to hear your thoughts if you will.
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Now you've gone totally... in the wrong direction.

The Babylon Harlot that is in control over all nations are those who love money, the internationalists who are attempting to bring all peoples and nations under their idea of a "one world government". It's religion is the worship of Lucifer. So comparisons of that to Christianity is completely out of the ball park.

When the coming pseudo-Christ arrives on the scene, proclaiming himself as God, working miracles and great signs, THAT is WHEN the actual working of the 'religious' aspect of the Babylon Harlot will manifest on earth. Until then, it is outwardly only as a political movement to engulf all nations and peoples under its power and influence. When the abomination is setup in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem with the false messiah, THAT is when the Rev.17 chapter is going to really apply.

That Babylon the Great is not "those who love money, the internationalists", is seen at Revelation 18:11, 12. Here "the traveling merchants" or the greedy commercial elements are seen mourning over her destruction "because there is no one to buy their full stock anymore, a full stock of gold and silver and precious stones and pearls and fine linen and purple and fine linen." These further say, standing "at a distance because of their fear of her torment": "Too bad, too bad, the great city, clothed with fine linen and purple and scarlet and richly adorned with gold ornaments and precious stones and pearl, because in one hour such great riches have been devastated."(Rev 18:15-17)

At Revelation 17:4, the harlotrous "woman" is "arrayed in purple and scarlet, and was adorned with gold and precious stone and pearls and had in her hand a golden cup that was full of disgusting things and the unclean things of her fornication." Now that she is gone as a global false religion empire, the greedy "traveling merchants", who scan the globe to sell their wares and products, have lost a most valuable "customer", who covered herself with "purple and scarlet", along with "gold and precious stones and pearls" that she acquired from these "traveling merchants" and continues to do so.

Look at the Sistine Chapel, with the amount of frescoes and paintings, the shear cost of such a structure, within the Apostolic Palace, where the Pope resides, that is ostentatious. The Christians in the 1st century when the apostles were alive did not have such gaudy and extravagant "houses of worship", but often met in humble homes.(Philemon 1, 2) What a contrast between the 1st century Christians and many of the religions today that profess to be Christian, but "disown by their works"(Titus 1:16), loving money and its power. The Jewish Pharisees were well known as "money lovers".(Luke 16:14)

In addition, look at the clothing that the Pope wears, as well the Cardinals, the Archbishops, the vestments. When the Pope attends a religious ceremony, he wears a "choir dress", that includes "a red mozetta and red-and-gold embroidered fascia, or stole, with fringes", wearing also a gold Fisherman's Ring (in which those who see the Pope are to kneel and kiss the ring), along with the pallium that is unique to the Pope, hanging down in the front and back and is embroidered with six black crosses.(Pope Benedict XVI has red crosses)

When Jesus was arrested, was he wearing clothing as this ? No. In fact, he was so inconspicuous, that the soldiers, even coming upon him, did not recognize who he was.(John 18:3-8) Or that of Russian Orthodox Patriarch Cyril, who was found wearing a $30,000 wrist watch (which was hid in a photo by doctoring, April 10, 2012). These love to be decked with "fine linen and purple and scarlet, and richly adorned with gold ornaments and precious stones and pearl."(Rev 18:16)

Most never recognize that there is only one true religion (Eph 4:5), instead of the over 41,000 different denominations and sects of Christendom alone, much less the religions that are of other "faiths". What is it that angers Jehovah God the most ? Greedy commerce, politics (which means "theory and practice of government, policymaking activity") or religion that defames God's name ?

At Exodus 34, God tells the nation of Israel: "Watch yourself that you do not conclude a covenant with the inhabitants of the land to which you are going, for fear it may prove itself a snare in your midst. But their altars you people are to pull down, and their sacred pillars you are to shatter, and their sacred poles you are to cut down. For you must not prostrate yourself to another god, because Jehovah, whose name is Jealous, he is a jealous God."("a jealous God", literally "a God exacting exclusive devotion", Greek The·os´ ze·lo·tes´, Ex 34:12-14)

Hence, those who profess to serve God, but who ' prostrate themselves to another god ', who promote false religious practices and teachings such as venerating "saints", praying to Mary, calling her "the mother of God", those that accept the trinity, who give a helping hand of support to the political arena, placing their trust in this or that candidate, have "disowned even the owner that brought them."(2 Pet 2:1)

The religions of Christendom have discarded or hidden God's name, Jehovah, removing it from their Bibles. Many churches that sponsor Bible translations pressure scholars into omitting God’s name from their translations of the Bible. For example, in a letter dated June 29, 2008, to presidents of Catholic bishops’ conferences, the Vatican stated: “In recent years the practice has crept in of pronouncing the God of Israel’s proper name.” The letter gives this pointed direction: “The name of God . . . is neither to be used or pronounced.” Furthermore, “for the translation of the Biblical text in modern languages, . . . the divine tetragrammaton is to be rendered by the equivalent of Adonai/Kyrios: ‘Lord.’” Clearly, this Vatican directive is aimed at eliminating the use of God’s name.

Jesus, on the other hand, taught his genuine disciples to pray for God's name, Jehovah, at Matthew 6:9, for it to be "hallowed" or sanctified. He wants removed from the earth the religions that has brought reproach on God's name of Jehovah. This will occur when the "ten horns" or all the political governments, under the directive of the "scarlet-colored wild beast" or United Nations, turn on the "harlot", stripping her bare so that she is exposed, ' eating up her fleshy parts and...completely burning her with fire.' (Rev 17:16)
 

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Good grief people,wake up Babylon is exactly where it has always been; it is the system of Islam. What is and always has been the enemy of God and his chosen? It all started with Ishmael and is the same part of the world that Abraham originated from; why is this so difficult for people to see? Please take a look at to map of the Middle East today and note what rings Israel; it's Islam.


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Good grief people,wake up Babylon is exactly where it has always been; it is the system of Islam. What is and always has been the enemy of God and his chosen? It all started with Ishmael and is the same part of the world that Abraham originated from; why is this so difficult for people to see? Please take a look at to map of the Middle East today and note what rings Israel; it's Islam.


In Yeshua Messiah,

Bob

The religion of Islam is only a part of Babylon the Great. Most do not look carefully at all the clues in order to grasp who the "harlot" is. For example, Revelation 18:24 says that "in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.” Thus, this includes Abel, some 6000 years ago, and this predates Islam by over 4,600 years.

And Jesus told the wicked Jewish religious leaders, that "here I am sending forth to you prophets and wise men and public instructors. Some of them you will kill and impale, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city; that there may come upon you all the righteous blood spilled on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zech·a·ri´ah son of Bar·a·chi´ah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar."(Matt 23:34, 35)

How could Jesus say that these Jewish religious leaders murdered all these righteous ones, from Abel to Zechariah (Jesus used this expression like we use the expression "From Genesis to Revelation" to encompass every righteous one during this time, or over the course of 4000 years until his day), since these religious leaders were not alive at that time ?

Simply put, because these displayed the same wicked characteristics as the people who murdered a righteous one, such as Cain. Jesus put them "in the pot" with all false religions, who are guilty of "all those who have been slaughtered on the earth." This includes Islam, but this false religion, as a smaller "harlot", comes under the umbrella of "the mother of the harlots", Babylon the Great.(Rev 17:5) Hence, all the false religions under the one name of Babylon the Great, and are guilty of shedding huge quantities of blood, including "the blood of prophets and of holy ones."

Many of Jehovah God's true worshipers were put to death, though innocent, by the various false religious systems dating back thousands of years. Even the Jews, though being establish as nation in order to "become to (Jehovah God) a kingdom of priests and a holy nation" (Ex 19:5, 6) became wicked.

Jesus said of them in his day: "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her,—how often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks together under her wings! But you people did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you."(Matt 23:37, 38)
 

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Sherry Shriner is completely submitted to Satan. However, I will say she undertook a much needed task in order to compile that list. No one but America fits this description.

Yes, Elle. Hi. Her orgone is just one of the gimmicks she has going on. She publicizes what I believe are unauthentic Bible codes, her false prophecies, her view of Reptilians, her conspiracy theories are just beyond ridiculous to any seasoned conspiracy vet. Believing in Reptilians is not extreme in and of itself, but what she actually teaches on this and the other related alien issues are just the most radical things. When I first started associating with this world I got sucked in by her teachings and it really did a doozy on me. I went way out in left field. I don't know a lot about her and this was several years ago I read her stuff but I can tell you she is very bad news.
 

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Hi IAmAWitness,

You said:
"Yes, Elle. Hi. Her orgone is just one of the gimmicks she has going on. She publicizes what I believe are unauthentic Bible codes, her false prophecies, her view of Reptilians, her conspiracy theories are just beyond ridiculous to any seasoned conspiracy vet. Believing in Reptilians is not extreme in and of itself, but what she actually teaches on this and the other related alien issues are just the most radical things. When I first started associating with this world I got sucked in by her teachings and it really did a doozy on me. I went way out in left field. I don't know a lot about her and this was several years ago I read her stuff but I can tell you she is very bad news."

OK, so you are pretty much of the same thinking. Outside of her orgone blasters, reptilians and Bible codes, I do see some truth in some of her articles that pertain to scripture only, but once she drags in the Bible codes I quit reading. Thank you for your reply.
 

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That Babylon the Great is not "those who love money, the internationalists", is seen at Revelation 18:11, 12. Here "the traveling merchants" or the greedy commercial elements are seen mourning over her destruction "because there is no one to buy their full stock anymore, a full stock of gold and silver and precious stones and pearls and fine linen and purple and fine linen." These further say, standing "at a distance because of their fear of her torment": "Too bad, too bad, the great city, clothed with fine linen and purple and scarlet and richly adorned with gold ornaments and precious stones and pearl, because in one hour such great riches have been devastated."(Rev 18:15-17)

OK then, it's the SYSTEMS of the world banking elites that control the world's economies, and thus all... mercantilism. In Rev.18 they are lamenting her destruction, which means what Biblical timing? Christ having returned to end their control over this earth.


At Revelation 17:4, the harlotrous "woman" is "arrayed in purple and scarlet, and was adorned with gold and precious stone and pearls and had in her hand a golden cup that was full of disgusting things and the unclean things of her fornication." Now that she is gone as a global false religion empire, the greedy "traveling merchants", who scan the globe to sell their wares and products, have lost a most valuable "customer", who covered herself with "purple and scarlet", along with "gold and precious stones and pearls" that she acquired from these "traveling merchants" and continues to do so.

It appears you've totally missed that she says, "I sit a queen, and am no widow..." (Rev.18:7). That's about her marriage to a king. Do you know what king that would be, and what kind of marriage that would be? That marriage with her saying she sits a queen has not happened yet today.


Look at the Sistine Chapel, with the amount of frescoes and paintings, the shear cost of such a structure, within the Apostolic Palace, where the Pope resides, that is ostentatious. The Christians in the 1st century when the apostles were alive did not have such gaudy and extravagant "houses of worship", but often met in humble homes.(Philemon 1, 2) What a contrast between the 1st century Christians and many of the religions today that profess to be Christian, but "disown by their works"(Titus 1:16), loving money and its power. The Jewish Pharisees were well known as "money lovers".(Luke 16:14)

It's not the pope, nor the Catholic Church, nor Christianity. The why is simple. It's because you don't ONLY find those kind of great ornamentations connected with Rome. They exist all throughout the Christian nations of history not connected with Rome, and also among foreign nations outside the Christian west with other religions. So buildings and structures prove nothing as an identifier.



In addition, look at the clothing that the Pope wears, as well the Cardinals, the Archbishops, the vestments. When the Pope attends a religious ceremony, he wears a "choir dress", that includes "a red mozetta and red-and-gold embroidered fascia, or stole, with fringes", wearing also a gold Fisherman's Ring (in which those who see the Pope are to kneel and kiss the ring), along with the pallium that is unique to the Pope, hanging down in the front and back and is embroidered with six black crosses.(Pope Benedict XVI has red crosses)

Sounds reasonable, but it's not accurate, because the kings and queens of history ALSO are dressed with that kind of pomp, including the kings and queens of European history. The only part of that you've gotten correct is the recognizing that it's pointing to ROYAL style garb, that which a king or queen would wear.

So could that also apply to this one here?...

Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
(KJV)


When Jesus was arrested, was he wearing clothing as this ? No. In fact, he was so inconspicuous, that the soldiers, even coming upon him, did not recognize who he was.(John 18:3-8) Or that of Russian Orthodox Patriarch Cyril, who was found wearing a $30,000 wrist watch (which was hid in a photo by doctoring, April 10, 2012). These love to be decked with "fine linen and purple and scarlet, and richly adorned with gold ornaments and precious stones and pearl."(Rev 18:16)

The only relevance with the Babylon Harlot to that is with the false one that is coming in our days, that will be setup as the "king of the world", and it ain't gonna' be our Lord Jesus either! Rev.17 about the Harlot that says she sits a queen, and is no widow, is going to be married to a 'king' that's coming. Who will that be? The pope? No, of course not.

The Babylon Harlot city of Revelation is Jerusalem in our near future.

It's about the idea of the Biblical marriage between God and Jerusalem, per Ezekiel 16 and Revelation 21.

Problem is, a false 'king' is coming (prior to Christ's return) to try and marry Jerusalem in that same respect as The LORD will when He comes.
 

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Mystery Babylon, the Great Whore, is in fact the Roman Catholic Church.

"Only one city has for more than 2000 years been known as the city on seven hills. That city is Rome. The Catholic Encyclopedia states: "It is within the city of Rome, called the city of seven hills, that the entire area of Vatican State proper is now confined.""

So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. (Revelation 17:3 KJV)

Let's decipher the seven heads first. Scripture declares:

And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. (Revelation 17:9 KJV)

The word mountains comes out to "Mountains, mount, & hill". The Vatican itself, admits they sit on the 7 hills of Rome.

Now please understand this; You have to pay attention to this. You cannot arbitrarily attribute an entity to a prophecy, if it does not fit every other piece of evidence.

Now, is the Vatican a woman riding upon a beast?

Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. (Daniel 7:23 KJV)

As back in the old times, we called it a kingdom, today we call them nations. So, this "woman" has to ride upon a nation. What is a woman in prophecy? It is often stated, that a woman is A church.

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. (Ephesians 5:22-25, 28, 32 KJV)

It was a great mystery, but he spoke concerning Christ and the Church, as Christ as the husband, and the church as the wife/woman.

For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. (2 Corinthians 11:2 KJV)

We, the Christian church, are espoused to one husband, that being Christ. We are to be virgins. That being said, a spiritual virgin is to be pure. But this church is called a "great whore". Is there evidence in scripture that a great whore proves an unfaithful church?

Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations, And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so. Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter, And it came to pass after all thy wickedness, (woe, woe unto thee! saith the Lord God ;) Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger. Thou hast played the whore also with the Assyrians, because thou wast unsatiable; yea, thou hast played the harlot with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied. How weak is thine heart, saith the Lord God , seeing thou doest all these things, the work of an imperious whorish woman; (Ezekiel 16:2, 16, 20, 23, 26, 28, 30 KJV)

We have absolute evidence, of the meaning of a scriptural church whore. Now, what are the 10 kings that are with this whore?

And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. (Revelation 17:12, 13 KJV)

Not yet, but soon the 10 kings shall receive power with the whore. It's interesting, something called the club of Rome, apparently splits the world into 10 portions. Has yet to be happen, but it seems planned out.

And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. (Revelation 17:4, 5 KJV)

The Catholic Church also proves, in pictures, that they are in fact decked with Gold and precious pearls. An online search could cover finding out this prophetic fact. They do also hold the Golden cup. Now, this church is called the Mother of Harlots. It's also interesting that Rome calls herself the Mother of All Churches, and wants her daughter churches to come back to her (this being protestant churches).

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. (Revelation 17:6 KJV)

As stated on another topic, I don't meet many people who are educated about the bloody breakaway from the Roman Catholic Church. Many Protestants forget their history, that at the cost of many lives, our ancestors fought to break away from this church. No one fled to America because of taxes, (your history books will lie and say that's the truth, but are we really gonna trust government on this one?) but because, as it was accurately recorded, people were being absolutely slaughtered by the Roman Catholic Church.

The dark ages are very apparent, which is something think at least a good number of people are aware of, in which Rome also has shed the bloods of millions for not bowing to their Eucharist.

And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. (Revelation 17:10, 11 KJV)

Does anyone Remember the 4 Kingdoms in Daniel? Babylon, Medo-Persia, Grecia, and Pagan Rome. (Daniel 7:17) Those 4 are fallen. This verse states five are fallen. At the time shown in this vision, the 5th Fallen was Papal Rome, which had it's power from 538 to 1798. At the time of this, message one king "was not" was also Papal Rome. From 1798 to 1929 Papal Rome was "not" in their power. And then, with the signing of some act (With Mussolini I believe) they were back into power, and became the 7th King that "yet is". The 8th King, is of the seventh which goes into power, when the world comes together for the 10 nations.

And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. (Revelation 17:1, 2, 15, 18 KJV)

The "waters" this woman sits, are "Peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues". This cannot be America, because America did not rise up in the midst of a bunch of different peoples, nations, and tongues. America rose up away from that kind of situation. America, being the lamblike beast, rose up from "the earth" which had not the multitude of people when they rose. Now yes, America does become a great melting pot, but that is not how it rose up.

Kings have committed "fornication" as the Pope is not only the Church leader, but he is also a political leader. What's more, the Vatican has diplomatic relations with 176 of the world's nations. And if you think that's okay, you have another thing coming. While peace would be nice, we do know that an attempt at peace globally, and to "end calamities" etc. is nothing but Satanic in these days. This woman (being a church) is also that great city, as the Vatican admits she is a City as well!

So now, if this is any other entity you must prove that...

1) It is a woman (church) riding on a beast (nation)

2) It is decked with precious pearls, stones, and gems

3) The woman (church) is also a city

4) That it arose in the midst of people's, multitudes, tongues, and nations

5) That it is the 5th king which fell, which had lots of power, the 6th king that was not, meaning out of commission but still existed, and the 7th King that yet is, that has come back into power.

6) The Woman sits on the 7 hills of Rome.

7) The entity has shed the bloods of millions of Jesus Christ's followers.

8) It fornicates, and has diplomatic relations with the kings of the earth.
 

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OK then, it's the SYSTEMS of the world banking elites that control the world's economies, and thus all... mercantilism. In Rev.18 they are lamenting her destruction, which means what Biblical timing? Christ having returned to end their control over this earth.




It appears you've totally missed that she says, "I sit a queen, and am no widow..." (Rev.18:7). That's about her marriage to a king. Do you know what king that would be, and what kind of marriage that would be? That marriage with her saying she sits a queen has not happened yet today.




It's not the pope, nor the Catholic Church, nor Christianity. The why is simple. It's because you don't ONLY find those kind of great ornamentations connected with Rome. They exist all throughout the Christian nations of history not connected with Rome, and also among foreign nations outside the Christian west with other religions. So buildings and structures prove nothing as an identifier.





Sounds reasonable, but it's not accurate, because the kings and queens of history ALSO are dressed with that kind of pomp, including the kings and queens of European history. The only part of that you've gotten correct is the recognizing that it's pointing to ROYAL style garb, that which a king or queen would wear.

So could that also apply to this one here?...

Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
(KJV)




The only relevance with the Babylon Harlot to that is with the false one that is coming in our days, that will be setup as the "king of the world", and it ain't gonna' be our Lord Jesus either! Rev.17 about the Harlot that says she sits a queen, and is no widow, is going to be married to a 'king' that's coming. Who will that be? The pope? No, of course not.

The Babylon Harlot city of Revelation is Jerusalem in our near future.

It's about the idea of the Biblical marriage between God and Jerusalem, per Ezekiel 16 and Revelation 21.

Problem is, a false 'king' is coming (prior to Christ's return) to try and marry Jerusalem in that same respect as The LORD will when He comes.

Neither is it the the world's banking elite, for Revelation 18:23, says that Babylon the Great ' misleads all the nations by her spiritistic practices.' This deeply involves religion. Ancient Babylon is the prototype of Babylon the Great, and in which Isaiah 47:8, 9 says: "And now hear this, you pleasure-given [woman], the one sitting in security, the one saying in her heart: “I am, and there is nobody else. I shall not sit as a widow, and I shall not know the loss of children." But to you these two things will come suddenly, in one day: loss of children and widowhood. In their complete measure they must come upon you, for the abundance of your sorceries, for the full might of your spells—exceedingly." Ancient Babylon was noted for her religiousness, not her financial capabilities.

In addition, at Revelation 18:7, as a "harlot", "she glorified herself and lived in shameless luxury, to that extent give her torment and mourning. For in her heart she keeps saying, ‘I sit a queen, and I am no widow, and I shall never see mourning.’ " Just as ancient Babylon felt that she "shall not sit as a widow, and I shall not know the loss of children", so likewise of Babylon the Great, for she, as a religious "harlot", feels that she will always be a "queen", never ' seeing mourning '.

Living in "shameless luxury" is something she has done for many centuries, at the decadent expense of her "children". For example, the Jordan River Utah Temple of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (as well as the Oquinnah Mountain Utah Temple [183 ft high]) that is 219 feet high, is a luxury that bespeaks of being "shameless", being a "modern single-spire design", and "finished with cast stone with white marble chips".

Or of the Notre Dame de Paris cathedral that is decorated with chimera (mythological and grotesque figures, such as gargoyles) as well having a musical organ that has 7,800 pipes. Hence, the various smaller "harlots" of Babylon the Great have no shame in living a life of luxury along with her false religion.

Being that "traveling merchants" mourn the loss of Babylon the Great, she cannot be the commercial elements of the earth as well as ' committing fornication with the kings of the earth ', whereby these also mourn her destruction (Rev 18:9, 10) and that she has "a kingdom over (not alongside) the kings of the earth" (Rev 17:18), though they are the very ones who will cause her downfall (Rev 17:16, 17), she cannot be the political elements, but because she ' misleads all the nations by her spiritistic practices' ("spiritistic practices" Greek pharmakeia, meaning literally "druggery", see Rev 14:8) and that ancient Babylon was notorious for its false religious practices (Isa 47:12, 13), then "mentally putting the pieces together" (Greek syniemi, Matthew 13:13), this empire is truly "the mother of the harlots", the world empire of false religion, with all its many "children" of various sects and denominations.

Revelation 18:3 says: "For because of the wine of the anger of her fornication all the nations have fallen [victim], and the kings of the earth committed fornication with her, and the traveling merchants of the earth became rich due to the power of her shameless luxury.” There are three main entities of the earth (1) politics, (2) greedy commerce, (3) religion.

Being as the both politics or "kings of the earth" and greedy commerce or "the traveling merchants" mourn her destruction leaves religion, but not just religion in general, but false religion that covers the entire earth, making "those who inhabit the earth drunk with the (false religious) wine of her fornication."(Rev 17:2) Question: What is it that has infiltrated every "nook and cranny" on earth, even places that have no political involvement nor any form of real commerce ? Religion, being the controlling factor upon many small tribal systems around the world.
 

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Neither is it the the world's banking elite, for Revelation 18:23, says that Babylon the Great ' misleads all the nations by her spiritistic practices.' This deeply involves religion. Ancient Babylon is the prototype of Babylon the Great, and in which Isaiah 47:8, 9 says: "And now hear this, you pleasure-given [woman], the one sitting in security, the one saying in her heart: “I am, and there is nobody else. I shall not sit as a widow, and I shall not know the loss of children." But to you these two things will come suddenly, in one day: loss of children and widowhood. In their complete measure they must come upon you, for the abundance of your sorceries, for the full might of your spells—exceedingly." Ancient Babylon was noted for her religiousness, not her financial capabilities.

If you'll dig deeper, the money power elites are not just about finance. And if you can understand how our Heavenly Father was pointing to Satan using the prince and king of Tyrus as antitypes in Ezekiel 28, then you should notice Satan's hand in mercantilism and control of wealth as part of that revelation. In Daniel about the coming Antichrist this is even revealed with the idea of craft prosperirng in his hand and when he comes.


In addition, at Revelation 18:7, as a "harlot", "she glorified herself and lived in shameless luxury, to that extent give her torment and mourning. For in her heart she keeps saying, ‘I sit a queen, and I am no widow, and I shall never see mourning.’ " Just as ancient Babylon felt that she "shall not sit as a widow, and I shall not know the loss of children", so likewise of Babylon the Great, for she, as a religious "harlot", feels that she will always be a "queen", never ' seeing mourning '.

In Lamentations, it is the city of Jerusalem that mourns as the widow, and is the contrast for the endtime Babylon harlot city...

Lam 1:1-4
1 How doth the city sit solitary, that was full of people! how is she become as a widow! she that was was great among the nations, and princess among the provinces, how is she become tributary!
2 She weepeth sore in the night, and her tears are on her cheeks: among all her lovers she hath none to comfort her: all her friends have dealt treacherously with her, they are become her enemies.
3 Judah is gone into captivity because of affliction, and because of great servitude: she dwelleth among the heathen, she findeth no rest: all her persecutors overtook her between the straits.
4 The ways of Zion do mourn, because none come to the solemn feasts: all her gates are desolate: her priests sigh, her virgins are afflicted, and she is in bitterness.
(KJV)


Living in "shameless luxury" is something she has done for many centuries, at the decadent expense of her "children". For example, the Jordan River Utah Temple of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (as well as the Oquinnah Mountain Utah Temple [183 ft high]) that is 219 feet high, is a luxury that bespeaks of being "shameless", being a "modern single-spire design", and "finished with cast stone with white marble chips".

Or of the Notre Dame de Paris cathedral that is decorated with chimera (mythological and grotesque figures, such as gargoyles) as well having a musical organ that has 7,800 pipes. Hence, the various smaller "harlots" of Babylon the Great have no shame in living a life of luxury along with her false religion.

Now you're just going on about Christianity in general with throwing Mormons into the mix too. Might as well include other Christian sects too if you're going that route, since the early Christian Church in the American colonies became rich too. Why, you can do that with just about all the areas where God blessed Christians with great wealth and the building of huge Churches in many lands in the West. It still won't HIDE the fact that the Babylon harlot city in Revelation is pointing to Jerusalem, using historical Babylon as a type.


Being that "traveling merchants" mourn the loss of Babylon the Great, she cannot be the commercial elements of the earth as well as ' committing fornication with the kings of the earth ', whereby these also mourn her destruction (Rev 18:9, 10) and that she has "a kingdom over (not alongside) the kings of the earth" (Rev 17:18), though they are the very ones who will cause her downfall (Rev 17:16, 17), she cannot be the political elements, but because she ' misleads all the nations by her spiritistic practices' ("spiritistic practices" Greek pharmakeia, meaning literally "druggery", see Rev 14:8) and that ancient Babylon was notorious for its false religious practices (Isa 47:12, 13), then "mentally putting the pieces together" (Greek syniemi, Matthew 13:13), this empire is truly "the mother of the harlots", the world empire of false religion, with all its many "children" of various sects and denominations.

The Rev.18:9-11 idea of those standing afar off looking at her destruction is about those who did trade with her marveling at her destruction in "one hour". Her spiritual pracitices are about occultism and the mystic arts, and the secret fraternities of initiation in connection with her that have power over all nations through their various secret organizations operating behind the scenes. Their intent is to institute the world-wide worship of Lucifer, for that's who they worship. Their plan is to specifically end all... other religions, including Christianity, as it's Christianity and Christians that are their target.

But you've got it the other way around, and sound like you're pushing orthodox Judaism which hates Christ and Christianity. You'll eventually discover in time that there's false Jews in orthodox Judaism that are part of the movers and shakers behind the secret societies. There's even a prime historical example of that with the Jew Adam Wieshaupt who founded the Bavarian Illuminati of 18th century Europe with the aim to overthrow all governments and Christianity, as per his own writings that were discovered in that era by the police of Bavaria, and that info then transmitted to the governments and monarchs of Europe, which caused them to ban that order then.


Revelation 18:3 says: "For because of the wine of the anger of her fornication all the nations have fallen [victim], and the kings of the earth committed fornication with her, and the traveling merchants of the earth became rich due to the power of her shameless luxury.” There are three main entities of the earth (1) politics, (2) greedy commerce, (3) religion.

There's actually 4, not just 3 main areas of working in this world. Education is the other one, and it is a huge one.


Being as the both politics or "kings of the earth" and greedy commerce or "the traveling merchants" mourn her destruction leaves religion, but not just religion in general, but false religion that covers the entire earth, making "those who inhabit the earth drunk with the (false religious) wine of her fornication."(Rev 17:2) Question: What is it that has infiltrated every "nook and cranny" on earth, even places that have no political involvement nor any form of real commerce ? Religion, being the controlling factor upon many small tribal systems around the world.

Don't forget that when the Babylon harlot falls with Christ's coming, their goods is going to be transferred to those of Christ's Kingdom on earth (Isaiah 23:18). So if you hate the idea of wealth totally, then you've gone extremist, like the Communists.
 

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Just because the Bible uses the word whore to describe the woman does not make it acceptable to interject the word whore in every opportunity you get. Let's have some decency on this issue and just call her the woman, or Mystery Babylon. There is no reason to use this strongly detestable word.
 

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Just because the Bible uses the word whore to describe the woman does not make it acceptable to interject the word whore in every opportunity you get. Let's have some decency on this issue and just call her the woman, or Mystery Babylon. There is no reason to use this strongly detestable word.

God's Word is too 'politically incorrect' for some people I guess. Try directing all that to The LORD Who said this...

Ezek 23:1-49
1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
2 "Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:
3 And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.
4 And the names of them were Aholah the elder, and Aholibah her sister: and they were Mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus were their names; Samaria is Aholah, and Jerusalem Aholibah.
5 And Aholah played the harlot when she was Mine; and she doted on her lovers, on the Assyrians her neighbours,
6 Which were clothed with blue, captains and rulers, all of them desirable young men, horsemen riding upon horses.
7 Thus she committed her whoredoms with them, with all them that were the chosen men of Assyria, and with all on whom she doted: with all their idols she defiled herself.
8 Neither left she her whoredoms brought from Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredom upon her.
9 Wherefore I have delivered her into the hand of her lovers, into the hand of the Assyrians, upon whom she doted.
10 These discovered her nakedness: they took her sons and her daughters, and slew her with the sword: and she became famous among women; for they had executed judgment upon her.
11 And when her sister Aholibah saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in her whoredoms.
12 She doted upon the Assyrians her neighbours, captains and rulers clothed most gorgeously, horsemen riding upon horses, all of them desirable young men.
13 Then I saw that she was defiled, that they took both one way,
14 And that she increased her whoredoms: for when she saw men pourtrayed upon the wall, the images of the Chaldeans pourtrayed with vermilion,
15 Girded with girdles upon their loins, exceeding in dyed attire upon their heads, all of them princes to look to, after the manner of the Babylonians of Chaldea, the land of their nativity:
16 And as soon as she saw them with her eyes, she doted upon them, and sent messengers unto them into Chaldea.
17 And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them.
18 So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then My mind was alienated from her, like as My mind was alienated from her sister.
19 Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.
20 For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.
21 Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.
22 Therefore, O Aholibah, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will raise up thy lovers against thee, from whom thy mind is alienated, and I will bring them against thee on every side;
23 The Babylonians, and all the Chaldeans, Pekod, and Shoa, and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them: all of them desirable young men, captains and rulers, great lords and renowned, all of them riding upon horses.
24 And they shall come against thee with chariots, wagons, and wheels, and with an assembly of people, which shall set against thee buckler and shield and helmet round about: and I will set judgment before them, and they shall judge thee according to their judgments.
25 And I will set My jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears; and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire.
26 They shall also strip thee out of thy clothes, and take away thy fair jewels.
27 Thus will I make thy lewdness to cease from thee, and thy whoredom brought from the land of Egypt: so that thou shalt not lift up thine eyes unto them, nor remember Egypt any more.
28 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will deliver thee into the hand of them whom thou hatest, into the hand of them from whom thy mind is alienated:
29 And they shall deal with thee hatefully, and shall take away all thy labour, and shall leave thee naked and bare: and the nakedness of thy whoredoms shall be discovered, both thy lewdness and thy whoredoms.
30 I will do these things unto thee, because thou hast gone a whoring after the heathen, and because thou art polluted with their idols.
31 Thou hast walked in the way of thy sister; therefore will I give her cup into thine hand.
32 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou shalt drink of thy sister's cup deep and large: thou shalt be laughed to scorn and had in derision; it containeth much.
33 Thou shalt be filled with drunkenness and sorrow, with the cup of astonishment and desolation, with the cup of thy sister Samaria.
34 Thou shalt even drink it and suck it out, and thou shalt break the sherds thereof, and pluck off thine own breasts: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
35 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast forgotten Me, and cast Me behind thy back, therefore bear thou also thy lewdness and thy whoredoms."
36 The LORD said moreover unto me; "Son of man, wilt thou judge Aholah and Aholibah? yea, declare unto them their abominations;
37 That they have committed adultery, and blood is in their hands, and with their idols have they committed adultery, and have also caused their sons, whom they bare unto Me, to pass for them through the fire, to devour them.
38 Moreover this they have done unto Me: they have defiled My sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned My sabbaths.
39 For when they had slain their children to their idols, then they came the same day into My sanctuary to profane it; and, lo, thus have they done in the midst of Mine house.
40 And furthermore, that ye have sent for men to come from far, unto whom a messenger was sent; and, lo, they came: for whom thou didst wash thyself, paintedst thy eyes, and deckedst thyself with ornaments,
41 And satest upon a stately bed, and a table prepared before it, whereupon thou hast set Mine incense and mine oil.
42 And a voice of a multitude being at ease was with her: and with the men of the common sort were brought Sabeans from the wilderness, which put bracelets upon their hands, and beautiful crowns upon their heads.
43 Then said I unto her that was old in adulteries, 'Will they now commit whoredoms with her, and she with them?'
44 Yet they went in unto her, as they go in unto a woman that playeth the harlot: so went they in unto Aholah and unto Aholibah, the lewd women.
45 And the righteous men, they shall judge them after the manner of adulteresses, and after the manner of women that shed blood; because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands.
46 For thus saith the Lord GOD; I will bring up a company upon them, and will give them to be removed and spoiled.
47 And the company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up their houses with fire.
48 Thus will I cause lewdness to cease out of the land, that all women may be taught not to do after your lewdness.
49 And they shall recompense your lewdness upon you, and ye shall bear the sins of your idols: and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD."
(KJV)

Will you just STRIKE GOD's Own Testimonies against His people playing the spiritual HARLOT out, just to fit your own desires???

(For those interested, the two harlots above God speaks of are about the two separate 'houses' of Israel, the "house of Judah" kingdom at Jerusalem, and the "house of Israel" (ten tribes) kingdom in the north at Samaria.

The kingdom of Israel at Samaria = Aholah
The kingdom of Judah at Jerusalem = Aholibah
 

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If you'll dig deeper, the money power elites are not just about finance. And if you can understand how our Heavenly Father was pointing to Satan using the prince and king of Tyrus as antitypes in Ezekiel 28, then you should notice Satan's hand in mercantilism and control of wealth as part of that revelation. In Daniel about the coming Antichrist this is even revealed with the idea of craft prosperirng in his hand and when he comes.

In Lamentations, it is the city of Jerusalem that mourns as the widow, and is the contrast for the endtime Babylon harlot city...

Lam 1:1-4
1 How doth the city sit solitary, that was full of people! how is she become as a widow! she that was was great among the nations, and princess among the provinces, how is she become tributary!
2 She weepeth sore in the night, and her tears are on her cheeks: among all her lovers she hath none to comfort her: all her friends have dealt treacherously with her, they are become her enemies.
3 Judah is gone into captivity because of affliction, and because of great servitude: she dwelleth among the heathen, she findeth no rest: all her persecutors overtook her between the straits.
4 The ways of Zion do mourn, because none come to the solemn feasts: all her gates are desolate: her priests sigh, her virgins are afflicted, and she is in bitterness.
(KJV)

Now you're just going on about Christianity in general with throwing Mormons into the mix too. Might as well include other Christian sects too if you're going that route, since the early Christian Church in the American colonies became rich too. Why, you can do that with just about all the areas where God blessed Christians with great wealth and the building of huge Churches in many lands in the West. It still won't HIDE the fact that the Babylon harlot city in Revelation is pointing to Jerusalem, using historical Babylon as a type.

The Rev.18:9-11 idea of those standing afar off looking at her destruction is about those who did trade with her marveling at her destruction in "one hour". Her spiritual pracitices are about occultism and the mystic arts, and the secret fraternities of initiation in connection with her that have power over all nations through their various secret organizations operating behind the scenes. Their intent is to institute the world-wide worship of Lucifer, for that's who they worship. Their plan is to specifically end all... other religions, including Christianity, as it's Christianity and Christians that are their target.

But you've got it the other way around, and sound like you're pushing orthodox Judaism which hates Christ and Christianity. You'll eventually discover in time that there's false Jews in orthodox Judaism that are part of the movers and shakers behind the secret societies. There's even a prime historical example of that with the Jew Adam Wieshaupt who founded the Bavarian Illuminati of 18th century Europe with the aim to overthrow all governments and Christianity, as per his own writings that were discovered in that era by the police of Bavaria, and that info then transmitted to the governments and monarchs of Europe, which caused them to ban that order then.

There's actually 4, not just 3 main areas of working in this world. Education is the other one, and it is a huge one.

Don't forget that when the Babylon harlot falls with Christ's coming, their goods is going to be transferred to those of Christ's Kingdom on earth (Isaiah 23:18). So if you hate the idea of wealth totally, then you've gone extremist, like the Communists.

In the Hebrew Scriptures (commonly called the Old Testament), what was it that disgusted Jehovah God the most ? (see Ex 20:3-6; Deut 5:7) Why did God name the monstrosity "Babylon the Great" at Revelation 17 after ancient Babylon, exponentially being many times more than ancient Babylon ? What was ancient Babylon noted for ?(Isa 47:9, 12, 13) Why is the "harlot" Babylon the Great, the 1st to be dealt with destructively in the book of Revelation (Rev 17:16, 17; 19:1-3), before either the "kings of the earth" and the "traveling merchants" ?(Rev 19:19-21)

In "the mix", are all religions that are not the only true religion. The apostle Paul said clearly that there is "one faith" (Eph 4:5, singular, not plural), not a multiplicity of "faiths". And James wrote that there is only one "pure religion", not religions at James 1:27.

When Jehovah God formed the Israelites into a nation after their exodus from Egypt and laid before them the responsibility of becoming "a kingdom of priests and a holy nation" (Ex 19:5, 6), how many religions did God establish ? Anyone who is reasonable will recognize only one. When Jesus was on the earth, concerning the Christian congregation, how many religions did he establish ? One. All others are false, with Jesus giving an illustration that the one true religion that he established and became fully operative on Pentecost 33 C.E. would later "fall away" or apostasize at Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43.

Thus, the over 41,000 sects and denominations of Christendom are among the ones who fall under the umbrella of "Babylon the Great" as well all other religions (with the exception of the one true religion), including Judaisim, for Jesus said to the Jewish religious leaders: "Serpents, offspring of vipers, how are you to flee from the judgment of Ge·hen´na (or everlasting destruction)? For this reason, here I am sending forth to you prophets and wise men and public instructors. Some of them you will kill and impale, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city; that there may come upon you all the righteous blood spilled on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zech·a·ri´ah son of Bar·a·chi´ah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar."(Matt 23:33-35) Jesus put Judaisim as "part and parcel" with all the religions that are destined to be done away with forever.

Most do not accept the fact that there is only one true religion that honors Jehovah God, but continue to propound the belief that all religions are just different roads to God. Jesus did not agree with this, but said: "Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew you ! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness."(Matt 7:21-23)

There are many who profess to believe in Jesus. However, what did Jesus tell them ? That those who are "doing (not professing) the will of my Father" are the ones pleasing to God. All others he dismissed, saying: "I never knew you ! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness."

Thus, the one true religion that does God's will, such as making disciples, going from "house to house" (Acts 20:20; Matt 10:11-14), teaching individuals about God's kingdom (Matt 24:14), showing genuine love (John 13:34, 35), being "no part of the world" and its greedy commerce and politics (John 15:19), teaching others to honor God's name of Jehovah (Deut 6:4, 5; 10:20), will survive the "great tribulation" in the near future (Rev 7:14), whereas all other religions will be dealt a death blow.(Rev 18:8)
 

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I find that at times the truth is a matter of perspective. Understanding comes when your viewing the question from the right location.
Think Big, is not the whole of the earth Babylonia and the Lord shall call us out.

BTW great post Guestman
 

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Babylon is Babylon. The GREATEST FALSE RELIGION THAT ORIGINATED THERE IS ISLAM. This is the religion that will 'occupy' the ten nation Islamic Empire of the beast.

LIKE IT OR NOT Revelation 17:5 should be read as follows,
Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, ISLAM, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF JIHADIST AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Habakkuk 1:9 They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity as the sand.
 

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In the Hebrew Scriptures (commonly called the Old Testament), what was it that disgusted Jehovah God the most ? (see Ex 20:3-6; Deut 5:7) Why did God name the monstrosity "Babylon the Great" at Revelation 17 after ancient Babylon, exponentially being many times more than ancient Babylon ? What was ancient Babylon noted for ?(Isa 47:9, 12, 13) Why is the "harlot" Babylon the Great, the 1st to be dealt with destructively in the book of Revelation (Rev 17:16, 17; 19:1-3), before either the "kings of the earth" and the "traveling merchants" ?(Rev 19:19-21)

In "the mix", are all religions that are not the only true religion. The apostle Paul said clearly that there is "one faith" (Eph 4:5, singular, not plural), not a multiplicity of "faiths". And James wrote that there is only one "pure religion", not religions at James 1:27.

When Jehovah God formed the Israelites into a nation after their exodus from Egypt and laid before them the responsibility of becoming "a kingdom of priests and a holy nation" (Ex 19:5, 6), how many religions did God establish ? Anyone who is reasonable will recognize only one. When Jesus was on the earth, concerning the Christian congregation, how many religions did he establish ? One. All others are false, with Jesus giving an illustration that the one true religion that he established and became fully operative on Pentecost 33 C.E. would later "fall away" or apostasize at Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43.

Thus, the over 41,000 sects and denominations of Christendom are among the ones who fall under the umbrella of "Babylon the Great" as well all other religions (with the exception of the one true religion), including Judaisim, for Jesus said to the Jewish religious leaders: "Serpents, offspring of vipers, how are you to flee from the judgment of Ge·hen´na (or everlasting destruction)? For this reason, here I am sending forth to you prophets and wise men and public instructors. Some of them you will kill and impale, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city; that there may come upon you all the righteous blood spilled on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zech·a·ri´ah son of Bar·a·chi´ah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar."(Matt 23:33-35) Jesus put Judaisim as "part and parcel" with all the religions that are destined to be done away with forever.

Most do not accept the fact that there is only one true religion that honors Jehovah God, but continue to propound the belief that all religions are just different roads to God. Jesus did not agree with this, but said: "Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew you ! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness."(Matt 7:21-23)

There are many who profess to believe in Jesus. However, what did Jesus tell them ? That those who are "doing (not professing) the will of my Father" are the ones pleasing to God. All others he dismissed, saying: "I never knew you ! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness."

Thus, the one true religion that does God's will, such as making disciples, going from "house to house" (Acts 20:20; Matt 10:11-14), teaching individuals about God's kingdom (Matt 24:14), showing genuine love (John 13:34, 35), being "no part of the world" and its greedy commerce and politics (John 15:19), teaching others to honor God's name of Jehovah (Deut 6:4, 5; 10:20), will survive the "great tribulation" in the near future (Rev 7:14), whereas all other religions will be dealt a death blow.(Rev 18:8)

Still does not mean Christ's Church on earth is the Revelation Babylon harlot. The last verse of Revelation 17 TOLD YOU that "woman" is A CITY...


Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
(KJV)


And that part about those kings is also a required qualifer for that Rev.17 prophecy. No pope is reigning over the kings of the earth today.

Even the Rev.17:12-13 verses reveal that the ten horns (ten kings) don't come to power until the final beast king of the previous verses comes, i.e., the "little horn" of Daniel 7:8 and 8:9.

You're just jerking your own chain.

Rev 17:5
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
(KJV)

Here's Strong's definition for that Greek word 'musterion' (3466) -

'from a derivative of muo (to shut the mouth); a secret or "mystery" (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites)'.


A look at Ezekiel 8 which shows leaders of Judah and the house of Israel performing mysterious rites in secret behind closed doors is what that is about. That's what the secret initiatic fraternities of occult mystery initiation that exist today on earth are about.

These initiatic fraternities that still exist today claim heritage from the old 'mystery schools' of ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, etc. They are still using the old practices of secret ceremonial temple rites, meeting in secret, forming their plans in secret. And they claim to be the benefactors of humanity throughout the centuries of past history and today.

They do NOT recognize Jesus of Nazareth as GOD The Saviour come in the flesh. This is why they study, teach, and latch onto religious elements from ALL the world's religions and instead teach a God of forces for everyone as directed by their claimed hidden "Masters" not of this world.

That's what 'their' MYSTERY idea represents. It is the anti-thesis of our Heavenly Father's Own "mysteries of the kingdom of heaven" (Matt.13:11) that are given to Christ's elect.

That is where the powers on this earth are, and they are given control over this earth for this time through their "rock" Lucifer. That is why Jerusalem is part of their future plan when their king of the world arrives upon this earth. Jerusalem is where our Heavenly Father said He chose to dwell forever, and that's why Lucifer wants Jerusalem for his own, so he can play God. That's what those secret societies have been up to for centuries, and we are living in the times to see the coming of their false world king, and their false kingdom coming to completion.
 

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God's Word is too 'politically incorrect' for some people I guess. Try directing all that to The LORD Who said this...

Ezek 23:1-49
1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
2 "Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:
3 And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.
4 And the names of them were Aholah the elder, and Aholibah her sister: and they were Mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus were their names; Samaria is Aholah, and Jerusalem Aholibah.
5 And Aholah played the harlot when she was Mine; and she doted on her lovers, on the Assyrians her neighbours,
6 Which were clothed with blue, captains and rulers, all of them desirable young men, horsemen riding upon horses.
7 Thus she committed her whoredoms with them, with all them that were the chosen men of Assyria, and with all on whom she doted: with all their idols she defiled herself.
8 Neither left she her whoredoms brought from Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredom upon her.
9 Wherefore I have delivered her into the hand of her lovers, into the hand of the Assyrians, upon whom she doted.
10 These discovered her nakedness: they took her sons and her daughters, and slew her with the sword: and she became famous among women; for they had executed judgment upon her.
11 And when her sister Aholibah saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in her whoredoms.
12 She doted upon the Assyrians her neighbours, captains and rulers clothed most gorgeously, horsemen riding upon horses, all of them desirable young men.
13 Then I saw that she was defiled, that they took both one way,
14 And that she increased her whoredoms: for when she saw men pourtrayed upon the wall, the images of the Chaldeans pourtrayed with vermilion,
15 Girded with girdles upon their loins, exceeding in dyed attire upon their heads, all of them princes to look to, after the manner of the Babylonians of Chaldea, the land of their nativity:
16 And as soon as she saw them with her eyes, she doted upon them, and sent messengers unto them into Chaldea.
17 And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them.
18 So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then My mind was alienated from her, like as My mind was alienated from her sister.
19 Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.
20 For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.
21 Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.
22 Therefore, O Aholibah, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will raise up thy lovers against thee, from whom thy mind is alienated, and I will bring them against thee on every side;
23 The Babylonians, and all the Chaldeans, Pekod, and Shoa, and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them: all of them desirable young men, captains and rulers, great lords and renowned, all of them riding upon horses.
24 And they shall come against thee with chariots, wagons, and wheels, and with an assembly of people, which shall set against thee buckler and shield and helmet round about: and I will set judgment before them, and they shall judge thee according to their judgments.
25 And I will set My jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears; and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire.
26 They shall also strip thee out of thy clothes, and take away thy fair jewels.
27 Thus will I make thy lewdness to cease from thee, and thy whoredom brought from the land of Egypt: so that thou shalt not lift up thine eyes unto them, nor remember Egypt any more.
28 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will deliver thee into the hand of them whom thou hatest, into the hand of them from whom thy mind is alienated:
29 And they shall deal with thee hatefully, and shall take away all thy labour, and shall leave thee naked and bare: and the nakedness of thy whoredoms shall be discovered, both thy lewdness and thy whoredoms.
30 I will do these things unto thee, because thou hast gone a whoring after the heathen, and because thou art polluted with their idols.
31 Thou hast walked in the way of thy sister; therefore will I give her cup into thine hand.
32 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou shalt drink of thy sister's cup deep and large: thou shalt be laughed to scorn and had in derision; it containeth much.
33 Thou shalt be filled with drunkenness and sorrow, with the cup of astonishment and desolation, with the cup of thy sister Samaria.
34 Thou shalt even drink it and suck it out, and thou shalt break the sherds thereof, and pluck off thine own breasts: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
35 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast forgotten Me, and cast Me behind thy back, therefore bear thou also thy lewdness and thy whoredoms."
36 The LORD said moreover unto me; "Son of man, wilt thou judge Aholah and Aholibah? yea, declare unto them their abominations;
37 That they have committed adultery, and blood is in their hands, and with their idols have they committed adultery, and have also caused their sons, whom they bare unto Me, to pass for them through the fire, to devour them.
38 Moreover this they have done unto Me: they have defiled My sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned My sabbaths.
39 For when they had slain their children to their idols, then they came the same day into My sanctuary to profane it; and, lo, thus have they done in the midst of Mine house.
40 And furthermore, that ye have sent for men to come from far, unto whom a messenger was sent; and, lo, they came: for whom thou didst wash thyself, paintedst thy eyes, and deckedst thyself with ornaments,
41 And satest upon a stately bed, and a table prepared before it, whereupon thou hast set Mine incense and mine oil.
42 And a voice of a multitude being at ease was with her: and with the men of the common sort were brought Sabeans from the wilderness, which put bracelets upon their hands, and beautiful crowns upon their heads.
43 Then said I unto her that was old in adulteries, 'Will they now commit whoredoms with her, and she with them?'
44 Yet they went in unto her, as they go in unto a woman that playeth the harlot: so went they in unto Aholah and unto Aholibah, the lewd women.
45 And the righteous men, they shall judge them after the manner of adulteresses, and after the manner of women that shed blood; because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands.
46 For thus saith the Lord GOD; I will bring up a company upon them, and will give them to be removed and spoiled.
47 And the company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up their houses with fire.
48 Thus will I cause lewdness to cease out of the land, that all women may be taught not to do after your lewdness.
49 And they shall recompense your lewdness upon you, and ye shall bear the sins of your idols: and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD."
(KJV)

Will you just STRIKE GOD's Own Testimonies against His people playing the spiritual HARLOT out, just to fit your own desires???

(For those interested, the two harlots above God speaks of are about the two separate 'houses' of Israel, the "house of Judah" kingdom at Jerusalem, and the "house of Israel" (ten tribes) kingdom in the north at Samaria.

The kingdom of Israel at Samaria = Aholah
The kingdom of Judah at Jerusalem = Aholibah

It's not that it's politically incorrect. It's just not a nice word that Christians should be using. The Bible uses the words "ass" and "cock" too but does that give us free reign to use them in any and every context?

(EDIT: Sorry I have to go to such extremes to make a point but it's a fair point and sometimes certain individuals you may have to use alternate tactics to get it across.)
 

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Still does not mean Christ's Church on earth is the Revelation Babylon harlot. The last verse of Revelation 17 TOLD YOU that "woman" is A CITY...


Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
(KJV)


And that part about those kings is also a required qualifer for that Rev.17 prophecy. No pope is reigning over the kings of the earth today.

Even the Rev.17:12-13 verses reveal that the ten horns (ten kings) don't come to power until the final beast king of the previous verses comes, i.e., the "little horn" of Daniel 7:8 and 8:9.

You're just jerking your own chain.

Rev 17:5
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
(KJV)

Here's Strong's definition for that Greek word 'musterion' (3466) -

'from a derivative of muo (to shut the mouth); a secret or "mystery" (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites)'.


A look at Ezekiel 8 which shows leaders of Judah and the house of Israel performing mysterious rites in secret behind closed doors is what that is about. That's what the secret initiatic fraternities of occult mystery initiation that exist today on earth are about.

These initiatic fraternities that still exist today claim heritage from the old 'mystery schools' of ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, etc. They are still using the old practices of secret ceremonial temple rites, meeting in secret, forming their plans in secret. And they claim to be the benefactors of humanity throughout the centuries of past history and today.

They do NOT recognize Jesus of Nazareth as GOD The Saviour come in the flesh. This is why they study, teach, and latch onto religious elements from ALL the world's religions and instead teach a God of forces for everyone as directed by their claimed hidden "Masters" not of this world.

That's what 'their' MYSTERY idea represents. It is the anti-thesis of our Heavenly Father's Own "mysteries of the kingdom of heaven" (Matt.13:11) that are given to Christ's elect.

That is where the powers on this earth are, and they are given control over this earth for this time through their "rock" Lucifer. That is why Jerusalem is part of their future plan when their king of the world arrives upon this earth. Jerusalem is where our Heavenly Father said He chose to dwell forever, and that's why Lucifer wants Jerusalem for his own, so he can play God. That's what those secret societies have been up to for centuries, and we are living in the times to see the coming of their false world king, and their false kingdom coming to completion.


I whole-heartly agree with your well said post. I agree with you about the Illuminati, the NWO, and Jerusalem as the final Babylon.

But I'm curious about some things: does it or does it not make sense to you that the Illuminati would replicate prophecy? Figure it out and deliberately fulfill it.

Do you think the Illuminati created the US, the constitution?

Wouldn't it make sense that they would infiltrate the Catholic church? That they would use the Catholic church to fulfill prophecy and trick people into thinking that it is the "final Babylon".

IMO, this whole end game has been scripted for a very long time.