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God created Adam and Eve only two people. Where do you think the races came from?Also we don't know anything about the wifes of Noah's sons, the may have been multiracial, we don,t know. WE do know the bible does say 8 souls
Again it is speaking of eight saved (perfect souls/persons)not just eight people. And again Adam and Eve where the first where does it say they are the only?Where did cains wife come from? the land of Nod yes but who populated it? (dont tell me Cain married his sister this is not written it scripture) and it goes against God to force incest upon man.If you think Noahs sons could have married mixed race women where did they(the other races ) come from ?
 

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Now I thought race came from adaptation. It's not evolution, but God made adaptation. Like, if you take a dog from Texas and put it in Alaska. It'll grow more fur. And eventually, it'll have a thicker coat. It's not evolution. It's just creatures adapting. I think it's a God given gift for us to survive.That's where the races came from. People adapting to their surroundings. Black people became dark because of the solar radiation. And Asian people obtained their eye structure from their high fish diet.
 

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the problem is this would take longer than men have been here .And the dogs grow thicker hair yes, but it doesnt change its DNA and the races have slightly different DNA and this is evoltion and a Christian can not be an evolutionist.
 

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Genesis 7:14 "They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort."This includes all animals, and races, of each kind.
Humans are neither beasts, creeping thing, nor fowl. These were terms for what we would call today mammals, reptiles, and birds. Everywhere else in scripture where humans are talked about, it is made clear that they are humans, but not here? We must be careful to read into scripter what is not there. This is the cause of many of the great apostasies.
Genesis 7:15 "And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life."Did you get that? "...two of all flesh," Remember back in Genesis 6:3; "And the Lord said, "My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh,". So we see the races of the sixth day of creation were also here, because God created all flesh, each after their kind, and that means each race would also be aboard the ark.
You need to provide support for the idea that different races are different "kinds" . Until you can do this, this argument means nothing. Also, nowhere does it mention different races being created on the sixth day. If you go back to genesis you will see that only two humans were created at the start and to claim that Eve was created on day six is stretch. (it seems she was created some time later)While on this note, why is it so hard to believe that all races could descend from Noah when all races would have had to descended from Adam?
Modern man would have us believe that "there is no difference in kind, between the races", and today this is accepted in all areas, from marriage and breeding habits, to all forms of mixing.
Show me scripture that says otherwise.
This is exactly what happened in Noah's day,and upon the sounding of that fifth trumpet, of Revelation 9:1, 2, mankind will again be faced by these demonics [fallen angels], also called the "sons of God", parading on the earth and calling themselves human.
If they were fallen angels, how could they be called sons of God? This doctrine is taken from a few words in Genesis 6:1-4. Nowhere else in scripture are angels referred to as sons of God. We latter learn (in the new testament) that this term describes those that follow God. If anything this scripture is referring to the men that had continued to follow God, who were marrying the daughters of non-believers. As a result evil spread and only one man was found to be faithful. This was not an issue of races mixing but believers and non-believers mixing. This is exactly why the Israelites were also admonished to not marry outside of the faith. This doesn't mean that they couldn't marry outside of the race. O other people could become circumcised into the Hebrew faith.
This is why there was a flood to rid the world evil men and the hybrids of Nephelium (fallen angels) and the sons of God. There were giants upon the earth in those days.
There are only two words used in the Bible that come even close to sounding like "Nephelium"Nephaleim is Greek word that refers to the descendents Naphthali (one of the sons of Jacob).Nephil is a Hebrew term that is often translated "giant" (as in Genesis 6:4). The interesting part is that it does not call the children of the sons of God nephil, instead it mentions them separately. Also, nephil means a bully or tyrant. This was a reference to the spreading of evil, not some mix of angel and man.
Not to rid the world of all races
This isn't what we are saying. The purpose of the flood was not to get rid of the races. The purpose of the flood was to get rid of all wicked people. Genesis 6:12 tells us that all flesh had become corrupt abut we also learn that Noah found favor in the site of the Lord (Genesis 6:11). Apparently Noah and his family were the only faithful people left. This is why everyone else was destroyed in the flood.
Are we to assume John the Baptist is lying when he reconizes the kennites/Cannites?
John the Baptist in the scriptures does not mention "kennites". John was talking about Pharisees (descendents of Abraham who was a descendent of Shem). Just because he is talking about a people that do evil things does not mean he is talking about a race, unless of course you can establish this through scriptures.
Are we to assume Gods teaching of the churches of Rev. are wrong?
Once again, a race is not even mentioned here, just people doing bad things. If people that did bad things were all part of the race of kennites then everyone would be.
we can easily pick up the trail of these kennites in exodus,they became the Jewish leaders that wanted Jesus dead.
And how do you trace this trail? The last time I checked all Israelites were descendents of Abraham who descended from Shem, the son of Noah, who was a descendent of Seth, not Cain.
How much of Gods word do we dimiss to make mens fairytales of the Ark only having animals aboard work?
We dismiss nothing, there was more then animals on the Ark. In fact the scripture mentions that there were only eight (II Peter 2:5). The entire point of this scripture (within its context) is that God destroyed all the people that there wicked, sparing only eight. Now if all the kennites are evil as you say and God saved some from the flood as you say then you make God to be a liar.
Have you not read of almost every civilization on earth having records of the flood? and all will tell you of survivors of theirrace whether it be chinese or African.
Yes, because all descended from one man, Noah. There is no scripture to the contrary. Even science attests to the fact that everyone descended from one human ancestor (even though they draw the wrong conclusions from this). Can you show otherwise?
Where did cains wife come from? the land of Nod yes but who populated it? (dont tell me Cain married his sister this is not written it scripture) and it goes against God to force incest upon man.
Son't tell me there were other people, this is not written in scripture. The problems caused by incest (deseases) did not exist until the fall of man and man was not told aginst it until much latter down the line.
the problem is this would take longer than men have been here .
Only if God didn't make it go faster.
And the dogs grow thicker hair yes, but it doesnt change its DNA and the races have slightly different DNA
Actualy, the DNA is different from one species of a Dog to another. Speaking of DNA, science shows that by looking at these slightly different dna sequences in the different races, we can see that all humans have a common ancestor.
and this is evoltion and a Christian can not be an evolutionist.
Actualy I know several Christians that believe in evolution (though I am not one of them), one of which is heavely envolved in evangelism. Even Charles Darwin was a Christian. He never recanted of that faith.
 

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God created Adam and Eve only two people. Where do you think the races came from?
So you're telling me that what took place in less than about 4,000 years took place the time before in less than 2,000 yet you cannot Biblically document either event? Yet we're the ones making things up?
That's where the races came from. People adapting to their surroundings. Black people became dark because of the solar radiation. And Asian people obtained their eye structure from their high fish diet.
If this truly is the case, why aren't western American's growing darker? Why did those in central Asia in the deserts not end up like African Americans? There are all types of climates in Africa yet they ended up all black in skin tone yet for those regions where the peoples of middle-eastern decent inhabit?This is a well oversimplified and uneducated response, IMHO. You take a human to Alaska without any clothes and he'll die.Boran, I will address the rest when I have time, but I did want to make this post, because you certainly need to read up a little more:
If they were fallen angels, how could they be called sons of God? This doctrine is taken from a few words in Genesis 6:1-4. Nowhere else in scripture are angels referred to as sons of God.
Ever heard of the book of Job?Job 1:6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.That's one of three mentions of the sons of God in the book of Job. It ain't talking about people. If you want to maintain the fallacy that Adam is not a man, then go ahead, but I hate to tell you he is.Why ever would the Bible say the sons of God saw the daughters of Adam if they were all descended from the same line??It wouldn't, clearly.
 

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the problem is this would take longer than men have been here .And the dogs grow thicker hair yes, but it doesnt change its DNA and the races have slightly different DNA and this is evoltion and a Christian can not be an evolutionist.
No. I'm saying science is set up to make it seem like it takes a long time to benefit the theory of evolution. What if they're completely wrong. And it doesn't take long what so ever.
 

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We see all sorts of interactions in this increasingly globalized world yet second, third, fourth, fifth, and so on generation people still bare the traits that make up their ancestors' nationality.Europeans still look like the ones portrayed well over a thousand years ago. There have been all sorts of shifts and trends in temperature but they remain the same. Americans continue on that same trend.This time period alone accounts for a half or more of the periods that you guys assert in your extra-Biblical interpretations of where the races came from.
 

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Most all of you have told me this verse Genesis cant mean this7:15 "And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life."Did you get that? "...two of all flesh," Remember back in Genesis 6:3; "And the Lord said, "My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh,". So we see the races of the sixth day of creation were also here, because God created all flesh, each after their kind, and that means each race would also be aboard the ark. but not one of you have given one scripture that can disprove it, only opinions based on what you have been told futher more not one of you has given me a sigle verse in scripture to explain the races Instead of telling me how my scripture does not meet your preconceived ideas Why dont you find a scripture that explains the different races.I believe there are answers to every question in Gods word its whether we understand the answers We are so used to finding the easy answers, We dont really hear alot of the difficult more hidden things God tells us. Its easiesr to listen to some man give youan answer that someone told him and so on.The Bible is the basic story How and why God created the earth,put humans on itand how he will saves those who choose to follow him. included in this story from the beginning is the family story of those Christ would come through and their trials and tribulations and the lessons to us how to trust in God, how he works,what we are to do and much more. Just because something that has not played a large part in the story is not discussed in great detail does not mean its not there. The races or skin color of the vessels(bodies)that cover the soul is not of great importance to God. He created them all equal,and was pleased. It is the soul of all peoples he cares about. So the fact he did not go into great depth on this subject of race is not surprising God is concerned for the saving of our souls.So again can I ask one of you give me any verse explaining how the different races got here and survived the flood.
 

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Actualy I know several Christians that believe in evolution (though I am not one of them), one of which is heavely envolved in evangelism. Even Charles Darwin was a Christian. He never recanted of that faith.(quote)Darwin started out a christian It was after he suffered tragedy in his life and stopped believing in God he came up with this theroy it was his intent to prove there was no God.It was this obseccsion to prove God did not exist that drove him to find another explanation besides creation.
 

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Kriss,Read Gen.11:9b, "From there(Babel), God scattered them over the whole Earth."That is the Biblical beginning of nations and races.It is also a scientific fact that species modifacation due to environment and diet IS A FACT!If your going to believe the Bible, believe all of it, without adding your own caviot!The Bible says in Genesis that only eight people were saved from the flood. If you have evidence (scriptural) that there were more, what is it.
 

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Genesis 11:9 "Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth."Keep in mind that this event is called "Babel", and in the Hebrew it means "confusion". It was through the confusion of languages, that God scattered the peoples of the earth. It was also the substituting of God's plan and covenants for their own man made devices, and religious form, which is called Babylon, or Confusion. It is God's way of cutting off communication between families. Now you could follow your own advice where does it say in anything about races in this verse? And if it implies anything about the races its that they already existed and were scattered so where did they come from?????You tell me to follow scripture I was quoting from scripture.Pray tell if Gen 7:15 isnt scripture what is it.Now you tell me how eating rice and fish could cause the eyes of the Orientals to slant?Why dont the Eskimos have thicker skin???Why are the Norwegian tall and blond?This diet and surroundings is a cop out with no proof maybe you can be like others and believe everything that cant be explained to fit your ideas is Satan's fault.
 

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Kriss,Yes, Genesis 7:15 is scripture. It also says nothing about race! It says "pairs of all creatures"! God created creatures, Elephants, Camels, Dogs, and Human creatures. Micro evolution developed Africans, Caucasians, Mongol, etc. WE ARE NOT SEPARATE SPECIES!When we cross procriate two of different races, a normal baby will be the result. If we were separate species, as you contend, that would be impossible.The Bible says "two of each species"! Gen.7:14 says all animals according to it's kind.Noah would have needed a much larger boat for all breeds of horses, dogs, cows, and humans.
 

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Ask yourselves why it is that you can not hear what God is saying in Gen 7:15why is it you can not believe that God would save the all the races On the ark.Is it because it does not make sense or is it you never heard this? God is telling us about how Why he sent the flood, and that all men, except Noahand his family had become sinnful. Only eight were perfect without sin. Ask yourself Does that then mean that in all other peoples of the world their was not any that were at least trying to make some efforts to follow God??? None that ever did a good deed?? No, it only means only Noahs family was pure. What is this Bible about if not how God protects those that follow him and how Christ and his family line came to be????If I told you a story about the Smith family getting on a large ship to escape a flood with their petsdoes that mean they are the only ones on that ship or does it mean that the story is about the smith family???God is telling us here in Gen 7:15 all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and entered the ark. Do you think the other races had the breath of life in them???Were they perfect without sin ? No, but they are not what this story is about Its about the eight pure (blameless people) people.It does not fit our fairytales story of Noah and all the animals two by two?But nowhere does it tell you it was just animals it in fact says ALL living things that have the breath of life in them would that not also bepeoples who had some sin in them????? Why would God destroy all he created in the races because they were not perfect??? Sence when does God destroy are humans that are not perfect???? Genesis 7:13 "In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of this sons with them, into the ark;"This fixes the exact time of the flood. And puts the perfect ones on the shipGenesis 7:14 "They, and every beast after his kind, Do you know what every means????and meaning also all the cattle after their kind, and (also) every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and (also)every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort."This includes all (everything with the breath of life) races, and also animals, of each kind.Genesis 7:15 "And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life."Where does it say only animals are included? that no other humans ?????The only thing we know is that only eight perfect, were there. Not that there was not othersIf one of you can show me scripture proving that other peoples do not have the breath of life in them then please do soGod never says after the flood there was no sin or sinners left in the world..Can we use some common sense and eyes to see past what we learned in Sunday school here???
 

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Ask yourselves why it is that you can not hear what God is saying to you in Gen 7:15why is it you can not believe that God would save the all the races On the ark.God is telling us about how Why he sent the flood, and that all men, except Noahand his family had become sinful. Only eight were perfect without sin. Ask yourself Does that then mean that in all other peoples of the world their was not any that were at least trying to make some efforts to follow God??? None that ever did a good deed?? No, it only means only Noahs family was pure. What is this Bible about if not how God protects those that follow him and how Christ and his family line came to be????If I told you a story about the Smith family getting on a large ship to escape a flood with their petsdoes that mean they are the only ones on that ship or does it mean that the story is about the smith family???God is telling us here in Gen 7:15 all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and entered the ark. Do you think the other races had the breath of life in them???Were they perfect without sin ? No, but they are thats not what the story is about its about the eight pure (sinless people) people.Whats the reason you can not see this? is it because No one ever told you this, causeit does not fit our fairytales story of Noah and all the animals two by two.But nowhere does it tell you it was just animals it in fact says ALL living things that have the breath of life in them would that not also bepeoples who had some sin in them????? Why would God destroy all he created in the races because they were not perfect??? Sence when does God destroy are humans that are not perfect???? Genesis 7:13 "In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of this sons with them, into the ark;"This fixes the exact time of the flood. And puts the perfect ones on the shipGenesis 7:14 "They, and every beast after his kind, Do you know what every means????and meaning also all the cattle after their kind, and (also) every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and (also)every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort."This includes all (everything with the breath of life) races, and also animals, of each kind.Genesis 7:15 "And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life."Where does it say only animals are included? that no other humans ?????The only thing we know is that only eight perfect were there.Not that there was not othersIf one of you can show me scripture proving that other peoples do not have the breath of life in them then please do soGod never says after the flood there was no sin or sinners left in the world..Can we use some common sense and eyes to see past what we learned in Sunday school here???
The words in yellow (on the quote) is the fact I got a slight problem Kriss. Noah was not a sinless person, neither was his family sinless.Genesis 6:9 - These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;While Noah was just and perfect in his generation, he was not sinless, He was blameless to YHWH, the same thing in the NT scriptures telling us we must be blameless to Him.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
 

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point taken Jagman you are correct and I changed it to blamless you are right it would be the proper word.
 

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I'm so glad you can see through your mistake, as I point it out. If they were sinless, it defeats the whole purpose of Yahshua who died on a cross who was the only person who was sinless literally.Kriss, I can barely agree with the fact that there were more than eight people (eight blameless + others) in the ark, only because Genesis 1:26-27 was talking about the races that He created. Although two of all flesh made it a bit unclear when I read it. Whether or not it was a bit unclear, it's still got to use common sense.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
 

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I appreciate your open mindness Jag I realize we are not commonly taught this but as you say common sense tells us there is more being said here. Espically in the light of no other explanation for the races (or other) that came through the flood. There is to much said about the Kennites and who they are its impossable that they came from Noah and his Sons. If it helps an interesting side point the Hebrew Word for Beasts(H2416) in Gen 7:14 is the same Hebrew word used in Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living (H2416). Interesting when you look at Gen 7:16 Gen 7:16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in. One of the most important things in the flood story is that Noahs blood line remained pure. from the fallen Angels. So it is really no wonder that it was with these eight souls Gods ephasis was placed. And not on the others on board the Ark. (which dosent mean they were not there)
 

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One reason this is so hard to get is because the others on the ark are never refered to as people/or by name but rather clumped in the verse with Beasts and all living things. Why is this?The key to understanding this is to understand why God sent the flood and Why Noah is called Perfect/Pure Genesis 6:9; "THESE ARE THE GENERATIONS OF NOAH: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God."The key to understanding this verse is in the word "perfect", for in the Hebrew text, it is the word "tamin", which means "without blemish as to breed or pedigree." In Genesis 6:1-7, when men started to multiply on the face of the earth, daughters were born to them. When the sons of God beheld the daughters of men, they desired them. Many "sons of God" or fallen angels left their place of habitation in the heavens and came to earth and multiplied with those daughters of flesh man, and from them came the Nethinim. This is what the book of Jude is all about.Jude 6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."These were the giants of old, and through the years to the time of Noah, all souls on earth were contaminated by cross marriage, till there was only Noah, His wife, and their family that were pure in pedigree, or their lineage blood line. It was the half breed creatures of giants, that came from the union of the daughters of men, and the fallen angels that left their first estate, that were the reason for the flood of Noah's day. Now not all peoples were halfbreed but all bloodlines had been contaminated except for Noahs (the bloodline of Christ) this is why God refers to them (kennites and others)as among every living thing male and female. This is of utmost importance as it is our guarentee that Christs bloodline was Pure. This was the reason for the importance of Noahs story.it was so important God wanted no confusion as to Why Noah was saved to mention others would have distracted the attention from where God wanted it on Noah (and his bloodline) He would later address the kennites and others who survived.Think about it You only have two choices either they were on the Ark or the flood wasnt world wide.and there is plently of evidence out side Gods word that proves there was a flood.Noah and his Family were the ONLY EIGHT PURE/PERFECT SOULS on the Ark.There would be another influx of these halfbreeds/giants later we know one of these as Goliath whom David slew.
 

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Kriss, I realize something when I was talking a walk, while singing to Him. (although I wasn't really thinking when YHWH gave me this thought)If there were only eight souls in the ark, (if the flood was worldwide) and later on Noah's son's wives had male and female childrens, who did the childrens had to marry? Their mothers and fathers, although it can't happen because of the sin of incest.And Kriss, while I can barely agree with that it was more than eight souls in the ark, (or the flood wasn't worldwide, either way...) but this verse literally become a stumbling block to me literally...Genesis 7:23 - And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.