Does Satan run the world? Or does God?

MatthewG said:

I’m not stupid to not believe what Jesus said about his coming, and I believe faithfully it happened.

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Yes, that is preterism.
I know you believe it.
And Mormons BELIEVE that Satan is the brother of Jesus.

And some who hate JEWS< believe that the Holocaust, never happened.

So, you have to be careful, about what you believe, and why you started to believe it.

Listen.
You learn Preterism, and that is a way to see the verses,

Catholicism is learned, and its a way to see the verses

Mormonism is learned, and its a way to see the verses.

Jehovah's Witness, is a WAY TO SEE THE VERSES.

All of these BELIEVE what they been taught to SEE, ..... just... like you.

And they all BELIEVE IT, Just like you do.

rockytopva said:

There were at times three arch angels under the Great Father God...

1. Gabriel - With his third of the angels
2. Michael - With his third of the angels
3. Lucifer - With his third of the angels

There will, I believe afterwards, be three arch angels under the Great Father God

1. Christ Jesus- With his third of the elect humans
2. Michael - With his third of the angels
3. Gabriel - With his third of the angels

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I'm not sure where you got this from but it contradicts Scripture that describes the hierarchy as God the Father who gave all authority on 'Earth and heaven' (meaning everything) to Jesus. You depict the lord of all as having 2 angelic peers, something short of all authority.

MatthewG said:

It’s faith. Believing in a non failed Jesus doing what he promised to do.

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Jesus is coming back for His Bride.
This is the born again Christians.
Its not happened yet.

And Had Preterism not been given to you, then you would not be here trying to prove it.

Do you understand?

You were led to this, and it took your mind.

This is what happens to a Calvinist.
Or a Mormon.
Or a Scientologist.
Or to a student of Mary Baker Eddy.
Or to a student of Gnostism
Or to a JW
Or a Catholic.

You were INDOCTRINATED and it became your belief system @MatthewG


You feel that 2000 yrs is a long time.
But its not for God.
See, heaven is not bound by Time, nor is God.
WE are bound by time, so, time passing to us, is different.

MatthewG said:

something is wrong with that to you guys?

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It didnt happen.
Its just Preterism theology.

MatthewG said:

. I don’t care if you do or not. I’m just trying to get people to think for themselves.

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Your head is full of preterism, and you claim its Jesus and you tell the members here that we can't think for ourselves.

What planet are you on?

WAKE UP.

MatthewG said:

It’s not that I “feel” anything @Behold. I’m quite reserved in my emotions. And don’t go off of feelings all that often.

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What i hate is cult teaching that harms believers.

What i hate more is the harm that they then try do to people who are not in their cult mindset.

Here is something...

There is no 2nd Advent without a Rapture.

So, John wrote the Revelation in AD96.

This means that if Preterism is correct, then the Rapture would have occurred around 55- 70 AD.

Yet John wrote The Revelation in 96AD.
That is 26 yrs after Preterism says the Advent occurred.

John was not raptured, as He wrote the Revelation 26 yrs later.

I guess Jesus forgot to take Him back....... according to your Preterism.

A.) Jesus has not come back yet.

However, all the signs are here.
The Trib is about to start.

rockytopva said:

If Lucifer would not have rebelled taking a third of the angels with him would there be any reason for the current reality?

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Yes, there would reason for the current reality of not for the fallen angels. Just because things played out under certain conditions does not mean they would not have played out the same way under different conditions. It's like supposing if anything changed from the Creation narrative, would have changed the fate of mankind. This is ex post facto fallacy.

The nature of an immature person is to refuse to take responsibility. Adam blamed the woman. The woman blamed the serpent. Fact is, sin is a function of a choice. Sin is not being a victim, independent of choice.

MatthewG said:

It’s harmful to say Jesus didn’t do as he promised. That’s what is inferred. It’s a common tradition that’s says John wrote after the destruction,

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So, you are not going to accept the History of John being on Patmos in 96AD and writing the Revelation, but you agree completely that 70 AD is when the Temple was destroyed?

So, THAT History must be right, but John's must be wrong, so that Preterism is continued.

Hummmm.

Listen, There is history of the bible.
Its pretty accurate.
There is the History of Rome.
There is the History of who was in control of Rome and it was THEN that John was sent to Patmos.
So, that is more the just Bible History, that confirms 96AD @MatthewG

We know that The Revelation was written after John was on Patimos.

And that happened later then AD70.

John was not Raptured.

Preterism is a cult lie.

MatthewG said:

then why didn’t John mentioned anything’s about not being like those who suffered under the wrath of God?

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Look again.

The Rapture has to take place before the 7 yrs of Trib., as the 2nd AdV is at the END of the 7 Yrs.

So, John was still on Patmos, He was not Raptured.
How do you know?
Its because He wrote the Revelation, at least 20 yrs after AD70.

And that Rapture, that precedes the 2nd ADVT would have taken a lot of Believers off this Earth.
Where is the record of that?
Why were all the believers still here, as if they were suddenly gone, then some history from that period would talk about it.

Its SILENT., because there was no Rapture, because there was no 2nd Advent, yet.

MatthewG said:

Will you answer some of my questions, if I posed any?

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Only if they come from you, and they are not "cut and paste" from a commentary or from a online site..or video.

If you can ask a question, that is yours, then i will answer it, if i have the answer.

MatthewG said:

Can you just express why you don’t trust Jesus in having come to that generation he spake of or not? Was he lying to his disciples?

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Your question has no context, and makes no sense....

So, let me just explain why the Trib generation is not 1930 yrs ago, as your Preterism cult wish it would be....

Its Because of : Matthew 24

See.....Jesus is speaking of a generation that is to come.... Because... Jesus was not just The Lamb of God.. Jesus was/is a Prophet. And He Prophesied in Matt 24, regarding the Trib and Grt Trib.

And certain things had to happen before.... that all began.

Like.

"many shall come in my name, saying im a Christ"... Pretending to be the Messiah

"wars and rumors of wars"

You have "the elect"

So, all of those and so many more, take Time to get there.
Much more then 70 yrs AD

But here is the main one..

Jesus says that the "gospel of the Kingdom" shall be preached in the Trib.

See that Gospel?

That is not the Gospel of the Grace of God. That is not Paul's Gospel.

How do you know?
Its because that one is related to what Jesus was giving to the Jews, before He died to become OUR Gospel.

See it?

And that is why Jesus says it'll be given in the Trib., as the Trib is when ""the Time of the Gentiles"" is over, and God resumes His dealing with the JEW.

Reader, the body of Christ, is the gentile church, not the Jewish Church, tho a Jew or anyone can be saved in "the time of the Gentiles".

The "time of the Gentiles' Gospel that is given to the gentile Church, that we have believed, came from Paul who is "the apostle to the Gentiles".
So, OUR Gospel is "the Gospel of the GRACE of God"...
See that one?
That one is.. "The GIFT of Salvation"... not "he who endures to the end"..

Paul's Gospel.....is for the GENTILES... and once the "time of the Gentiles is over" then God resumes dealing with the Jew.
= Rule changes.
So, if you miss the Rapture, then you have to Believe, and do works, and endure to the end, to be saved.
That is not OUR Gospel... at all.
And that is why 144,000 JEWS come forward and that is why you find no CHRISTIAN Gentile Church Preaching., as we dont preach that Tribulation gospel.
See, OUR Gospel = is the "reconciliation" or that ""God was in Christ in the world...= not counting you sins against you.""
That is 2nd Corinthians 5:19 and John 3:17.
That one is not found in the Trib.

The Gospel of the Kingdom, is what Jesus was talking about to JEWS, in Mark 1.... and that is why its not speaking about a CROSS, as Jesus hadn't died on it yet.. .so, He could not be talking about that one to those Jews.

Therefore, when God resumes His dealing with the Jew, in the Trib... = then the "time of the gentiles is over".... and the Gospel of the Grace of God is also.

So, you now have 144,000 Jews, coming forward, and a "gospel of the kingdom", ..
And that one is " believe, and do works, and endure to the end and you shall be saved".

Is that our Gospel?
Its is absolutely not, but it is the one that Jesus is talking about to JEWISH APOSTLES, (Prophetically) regarding the Trib that is on the way, when God resumes His dealing with the JEW.

And its about to start.
And the born again will not be a part of it.
See, God didnt save us, by His Grace, to then put us under another Gospel that is "believe, do works, and endure to the end".= Trib Saints.

We the born again are not those.
We are the "new Creations in Christ" who are reconciled to God by "justification by faith" and "faith is counted by God as (Christ's) Righteousness.

Our Gospel, is .. ."The GIFT of Salvation.. and "The GIFT of Righteousness"... and "come and be ye reconciled to God by the CROSS and receive the Gift of Eternal Life".... and that one wont be found in the Trib/Grt Trib

The is NO "Free Gift of Salvation" after the "time of the gentiles" is over.