Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

Greetings again Aunty Jane,

Aunty Jane said:

I would love to speak with your members, but we so rarely encounter them.

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We are available if you really want a serious discussion. There may not be an Ecclesia in the southern coastal region of NSW, but I personally know two couples who live in that region. There may other members in the Batemans Bay area as I once visited with a number of others. We also have various Internet access for those who want discussion and this will lead to greater contact.

Aunty Jane said:

I assume that you believe Christ went to heaven and was resurrected in a spiritual body, not a body of flesh

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I believe that his physical body was resurrected and then he was changed to a spiritual body, similar to the Angels. I suspect that you are echoing the JWs unique teaching that his physical body was preserved but not resurrected. I reject that concept.

Aunty Jane said:

We do have a lot in common but the assignment that Jesus gave his disciples just before his ascension to heaven, was the preaching and disciple making work. (Matt 28:19-20)

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I know that this activity is the major emphasis in the JW system. In my fellowship our major emphasis is the spiritual growth and development of our members. We purchased a small JW Hall many years ago, but as well as enlarging this we built four additional Sunday School rooms. The JWs built another hall in the region, and sold it recently, but it did not have any suitable Sunday School rooms. We considered purchasing this, but it was unsuitable and the local SDAs purchased the hall. In our region we have our own private school, open to others in the region. The Lady who gave me the latest JW booklet stated that her granddaughter attended and was very satisfied. The end result is that we retain the larger number of our young people as members of our meetings after baptism.

We also have the benefit of a "Bible School" in our region, and have a large gathering three times a year for a week, and this is for the separate education and edification of three groups, mature members, the teenagers and the younger children. The Bible School is also used for a number of other week long meetings, for example Seniors and Young People.

Aunty Jane said:

Emphasis on spiritual growth was important, as we see that the disciples regularly met to encourage one another in congregations, (Heb 10:24-25)

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My assessment of the level of Bible understanding and exposition in the JW environment is that it is very inadequate. An example of this is your understanding of Ezekiel 38 and your understanding of Armageddon. I question whether what you expressed is your own attempt or a general reflection of what the JWs teach on this subject.

We are exhorted each week from the Bible before partaking of the bread and wine, but only very few JWs partake, once a year, despite the importance placed upon this by Jesus. Our Bible Classes are designed to educate and encourage us in the Bible and some of our Senior Members will expound a Bible Book, such as Hebrews (one chapter each class), Isaiah (over a number of years) and other books. These studies greatly improve our understanding and appreciation of the Word of God. This is a transforming process.

Kind regards
Trevor

Hobie said:

The Position of Ellen White...

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She does not meet the biblical qualifications to be a teacher... so real
students of God's Word toss her writings in the compost pile

TrevorHL said:

You are suggesting that @Aunty Jane and myself are not Christian because we do not accept the Trinity.

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Ever see all the scriptures about the Father?
Ever see all the scriptures about the Jesus?
Ever see all the scriptures about the Holy Spirit?

Well, alrighty then

TrevorHL said:

I know that this activity is the major emphasis in the JW system.

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Preaching was a major activity in Jesus’s day, (Matt 10:11-14) and was to continue to be so as Jesus said before his return to heaven…it was the assignment he left for his disciple….not as a recommendation, but as a command. “GO!”…(Matt 28:19-20). It was to be a witness “in all the inhabited earth”. (Matt 24:14)

TrevorHL said:

In my fellowship our major emphasis is the spiritual growth and development of our members. We purchased a small JW Hall many years ago, but as well as enlarging this we built four additional Sunday School rooms. The JWs built another hall in the region, and sold it recently, but it did not have any suitable Sunday School rooms.

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We do not divide the congregation up into age groups…all attend each meeting together as a congregation with participation by all ages. Sunday School is a left over from the church system that we left.
We leave the teaching of our children up to their parents, as Israel did, and as the first Christians did.

I attended Sunday School as a child but never really learned much except the stories….never had meaning put to them or why Jesus told them. It wasn’t till I studied the Bible that I learned about his parables and what they meant…..I had many of the puzzle pieces but now I knew where to put them.

TrevorHL said:

In our region we have our own private school, open to others in the region. The Lady who gave me the latest JW booklet stated that her granddaughter attended and was very satisfied. The end result is that we retain the larger number of our young people as members of our meetings after baptism.

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A lot of our children are home schooled these days…the school environment (especially High School) is not suitable for Christians in an age where gender issues have gone awry and sexual immorality is condoned….even expected. Bullying is also in unwanted stress for young ones who are only just learning who they are. We find that our children mature more quickly out of that environment.

TrevorHL said:

My assessment of the level of Bible understanding and exposition in the JW environment is that it is very inadequate. An example of this is your understanding of Ezekiel 38 and your understanding of Armageddon. I question whether what you expressed is your own attempt or a general reflection of what the JWs teach on this subject.

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We attend 5 meetings a week and all are Bible study related…all require personal study at home in order to participate in the discussions.…..just because we do not agree with your take on the Bible’s prophesies doesn’t make them wrong. Jesus will tell us all who got it right…won’t he?

TrevorHL said:

We are exhorted each week from the Bible before partaking of the bread and wine, but only very few JWs partake, once a year, despite the importance placed upon this by Jesus.

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So you partake of the bread and wine weekly, like the churches do…?

The memorial of Christ’s death replaced the Passover, which was the yearly observance of Israel’s salvation from the angel of death in Egypt. Christ is the figurative Passover Lamb whose blood saves those who obediently put faith in it to save them from another angel of death.
The memorial is an annual observance, held on the night which corresponds to Nisan 14 on the Jewish calendar.

Only those taken into the new covenant, partake of the emblems because they alone will rule with Christ in his Kingdom. They alone are spirit anointed for life in heaven because they alone are chosen for a role that requires them to leave their earthly abode to join Christ in heaven, in order to rule over redeemed mankind on earth. (Rev 21:2-4)

When Christ arrives as judge, he will “separate the sheep from the goats” and only the “sheep” will live to enjoy the blessings of the Kingdom. The “goats” will forfeit life, as they are bound for the “lake of fire” reserved for the devil and his hordes. (Matt 25: 31-46)

Later the sheep will be joined by those whom Christ calls from their graves (John 5:28-29)….some to a resurrection of life, having maintained their faith to the death, (as are pre-Cristian men and women of faith) whilst others are raised to a period of judgment where they have an opportunity to prove themselves worthy of life everlasting. They have paid sin’s wages and now through Christ’s sacrifice, can have their lives restored to learn what they could not, through circumstances beyond their control….perhaps being born at a time or in a place where the God of the Bible was unknown to them.

Since this is a yearly observance and only a limited number have “the heavenly calling” (Heb 3:1) we would expect their numbers to diminish as time goes on….but we also remember that being chosen does not mean that they cannot fall away. (2 Peter 2:20-22)

Greetings again Aunty Jane,

Aunty Jane said:

Sunday School is a left over from the church system that we left.

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We do not copy the churches. Our Sunday School is held from 9am to 10:15am, while our Memorial Meeting from 11am to 12:20pm and as such many of the children attend both. There are three levels Junior 4-8yo. Intermediate 9-13yo and Senior 14-18yo. Each age group has a set of appropriate notes for their age group and these progressively cover the Bible in five parts. There is also a separate Senior Adult Sunday School Class and at the moment they are progressing through the Book of Revelation.

Aunty Jane said:

So you partake of the bread and wine weekly, like the churches do…?

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We base our understanding on the Bible, not the churches. I am happy to terminate our present discussion.

Kind regards
Trevor

Hobie said:

Jesus took Adams human nature after the fall so He was born with all the damage done to mans nature during that time.

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Actually Jesus was not born "Like Adam", He was born "like God" but as a human.
So, he didnt acquire Adam's issues, because He is not "of Adam" He is "of God".
Yet, by being fully Human, he lived as one in this world, same as you and me.

Hobie said:

We have to have the same righteousness as Christ 'in the flesh' had, we must take off our filthy rags and put own His garment He provides, as just as we must do in becoming dead to sin, Christ did, and if with the Holy Spirit we are made dead to sin and ungodly desire, we then allow for Christ to be in us and we in Him, and put on His righteousness and become "alive unto God".

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We have NOTHING without the Spirit...we are dead to sin..that is,until we are Born Of The Spirit.

Allow Christ in us?

...that is not how the inspired word says that we are Born Of The Spirit ....plus scripture backs up Gods Living Witness the Holy Spirit... my spirit was Born Again by Gods mercy and grace...crying with happiness, could not believe what had just happened ....becoming Born Of The Spirit...is an act that only the Living Spirit can supernaturally perform..it can’t be explained either, it’s just between God and man/ woman.

We are clothed in the righteousness of Christ, a Born Again represents the Father, we are being conformed in Jesus image...that is a work of the Spirit in our hearts....

There is nowhere in scripture ,that says a Born Again allows God in....we were already chosen and predestined for that supernatural act....it comes by divine heart revelation.

Jesus was the Son Of God...if he had ,had any sin in him, then he could not have been be our perfect saviour ....from the before the foundation of the world....he was going to be God’s Son...who knew no sin...

His will was always inline with his Father’s will, they were in perfect harmony with each other.

A Born Again, the moment they are birthed, are reconciled back to God...they are then in the Spirit hands....he teaches us how to obey God and understand his will.

Reading a Bible doesn’t do that, it confirms what has been witnessed to our spirit.....

You must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God...

If we aren’t Born Again, we can’t be led by the Spirit....we communicate with God from within our inner man/ spirit...once it’s been Born Of The Spirit......then we are on that long narrow hard journey.

Being conformed into Jesus image....Praise God.

2 Corinthians 5:21​

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; thatwe might be made the righteousness of God in him.


Via His Spirit, when it is Born Of The Spirit....that is when we are clothed in the righteousness of Christ.

Ritajanice said:

We have NOTHING without the Spirit...we are dead to sin..that is,until we are Born If The Spirit.

Allow Christ in us?

...that is not how the inspired word says that we are Born Of The Spirit ....plus scripture backs up Gods Living Witness the Holy Spirit... my spirit was Born Again by Gods mercy and grace...crying with happiness, could no believe what had just happened ....becoming Born Of The Spirit...is an act that only the Living Spirit can supernaturally perform..it can’t be explained either, it’s just between God and man/ woman.

We are clothed in the righteousness of Christ, a Born Again represents the Father, we are being conformed in Jesus image...that is a work of the Spirit in our hearts....

There is nowhere in scripture ,that says a Born Again allows God in....we were already chosen and predestined for that supernatural act....it comes by divine heart revelation.

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Our Body as God’s Temple
1 Corinthians 6:19–20 (NIV):
"Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies."

This teaches that believers’ bodies are sacred because the Holy Spirit dwells in them. We are called to honor God by caring for our bodies and avoiding sin.

2. God’s Presence and Obedience
John 14:23 (NIV):
"Jesus replied, ‘Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.’"

Obedience to God’s Word invites His presence into our lives. Disobedience, however, can grieve the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4:30).

3. Destroying the Temple​

• 1 Corinthians 3:16–17 (NIV):
  "Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst? If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple."
  • This warns against actions (e.g., sin, division, or self-harm) that harm the spiritual or physical well-being of believers, who collectively form God’s temple.

soberxp said:

"Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you,

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Once we are Born Of The Spirit...only then do we house the Spirit....

soberxp said:

whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies."

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Which we do, Honour our bodies...the moment my spirit became Born Again....my body, heart and life , were surrendered over to the Spirit Of God...I belong to him and no other...I was only in my 30s when I became Born Of The Spirit.

Never dated a man, since I became Born Again and NEVER will...God has my heart 100%.

Unless it’s Gods will that I marry.

soberxp said:

This teaches that believers’ bodies are sacred because the Holy Spirit dwells in them. We are called to honor God by caring for our bodies and avoiding sin.

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So they can't keep on sinning, because they are children of God. KJV Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

We were birthed by the Living seed of God.in other words His Living Holy Spirit....The Spirit Witnesses Gods Truth to our heart, the Bible confirms this......

Dan Clarkston said:

And yet.... they are cults teaching false doctrine just like the OSAS peoples!

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mailmandan said:

So, where do you attend church and what doctrines do they teach? Do you believe that man is saved by faith AND works?

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Hobie said:

He picked up where man was at the time of His birth, not at the time of Adam, and He was not impeccable or it all would have been a charade. Physically, Christ was like us, under the weight of the generations of damaged humanity and its state of being at that time under sin, and under the consequences of aging. But morally, Christ could be tested by temptation as scripture shows us, but Christ using the same power we have available to us today, resisted and kept from and did not have our ungodly desires or sinful inclinations.

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If you hold the view that Christ was “like us, under the weight of generations of damaged humanity”, you have completely missed the reason why he is called our “Redeemer”…and why he is also called “ the last Adam”.

What did the first Adam lose that the “last Adam” reclaimed for his children?

Being born with undamaged human DNA, Jesus Christ was not related genetically to Adam at all.
He had no human Father, and his mother was the vessel used to bring about his birth as a human. But his DNA was not the damaged DNA that Adam’s children inherited….he had to be the equivalent of what Adam was before he sinned and sentenced us all to death. This is how redemption works…..the price to be paid was set in God’s law….”an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life”.
The life Adam lost was sinless perfection, so a perfect sinless life was to be offered to buy back what Adam lost, not for himself, but for all who would descend from him. Jesus was not a descendant.

If a flawed human was all that was needed to redeem mankind, then anyone could have volunteered to pay the ransom and free doomed humanity….but no one born on this earth was sinless. The price of redemption had to come from outside the now flawed human race.

Why else would Jesus need to come from heaven to become a human and offer his life for ours?

Hobie said:

The Bible clearly teaches that Christ was tempted just as other men are tempted, He "was in all points tempted like as we are." Such temptation must necessarily include the possibility of sinning; but Christ was without sin.

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Yes, the devil and Adam and his wife were all tempted, but in different ways. Without free will, there could be no temptation.
The devil‘s temptation came from with within himself, following the chain reaction of the steps leading to sin that James speaks about…
James 1:13-15…
”When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone. 14  But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. 15 Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn sin, when it has been carried out, brings forth death.”

This is free will….the ability to choose our actions from within ourselves….for good or bad. We must weigh the outcome before we take the action….this is what being made in God’s image means….our intellect allows us alone, of all God’s creatures, to imagine the future outcome of our actions. We have a concept of past, present and future, something no other earthly creatures have. All others operate by instinct….a programmed response to the events of the here and now.

Hobie said:

There is no Bible support for the teaching that the mother of Christ, by an immaculate conception, was cut off from the sinful inheritance of the race, and therefore her divine Son, Christ was incapable of sinning. He came as man was at that time and overcame as see "yet without sin." So He could save us, it was never a charade...

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Jesus was born without sin because he was not from this world. (John 6:62; John 8:23)
Jesus’ faithful course proved that the three rebels at the beginning could have refrained from sin as well….
There was no sin nature to interfere with their choices either.

The devil made a conscious decision to act in direct disobedience to his Creator. He wanted worship and these new creatures could give it to him….but first he had to separate them from their God in order to replace him. He then became “the god of this world”. (2 Cor 4:4) Yahweh would allow them all to see first hand, what their disobedience would lead to. They couldn’t be told…they had to be shown.

Tempting the woman, the devil lied to her about the penalty if she ate the fruit, by simply stating “you surely will not die”….in her ignorance she was deceived, because it sounded like benefits would come from eating the fruit……but Adam wasn’t deceived. (1 Tim 2:14) He ate the fruit for a totally different reason….he had waited a long time for a mate of his own, and now he was forced to choose between obedience to his God and losing her, or disobeying his God and joining her, thereby sentencing themselves, and all their future children to death.

The fate of the entire human race rested with Adam, not the woman. (Rom 5:12) If Adam had made a different decision, he could have changed the whole course of human history.

Greetings again Aunty Jane,

Aunty Jane said:

Being born with undamaged human DNA, Jesus Christ was not related genetically to Adam at all.

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Jesus was a descendant of Adam through his mother Mary, and as such he partook of the fallen nature of Adam. He came to overcome all aspects of sin including the lusts of the flesh. He is our representative, not our substitute.

Kind regards
Trevor

TrevorHL said:

Greetings again Aunty Jane,

Jesus was a descendant of Adam through his mother Mary, and as such he partook of the fallen nature of Adam. He came to overcome all aspects of sin including the lusts of the flesh. He is our representative, not our substitute.

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That disagrees with the whole concept of redemption.

Jesus had to offer the same life that Adam lost in order to restore what Adam took away from his children.

Redemption had a price…and a fallen nature was NOT the price Jesus paid…..it was a perfect sinless life given in exchange for a perfect sinless life forfeited. The scales of justice had to be balanced. That is what atonement is…..”at-one-ment”….one for one.

An imperfect life could not pay for a perfect one. All the sacrifices in Israel had to be perfect, unblemished specimens, otherwise it was unacceptable to God….this is the model for Jesus sacrifice.

Greetings again Aunty Jane,

Aunty Jane said:

Jesus had to offer the same life that Adam lost in order to restore what Adam took away from his children.

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The logic of this may appear valid on the surface, but it is not what is taught in the Scriptures. Christ is our representative, not our substitute. He came to overcome sin and all its effects and we share in his victory when we believe and become identified with his death and resurrection by baptism in water.

Kind regards
Trevor

TrevorHL said:

The logic of this may appear valid on the surface, but it is not what is taught in the Scriptures. Christ is our representative, not our substitute. He came to overcome sin and all its effects and we share in his victory when we believe and become identified with his death and resurrection by baptism in water.

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Jesus is called a “redeemer” in the Bible….he is not called our representative…..he is his Father’s representative.
A Redeemer must pay back what is owing on a debt. The payment was set when the debt was incurred. One for one….”an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life”…that is God’s law……so an imperfect life is unacceptable to God as a sacrifice, because the sacrifice had to be without defect….to picture Christ’s perfect body of flesh and blood….the exact equivalent of what Adam was before his defection, and he lost all that for his children….Christ came to “buy” it back…..it was a transaction where the goods and the payment were of equal value.

TrevorHL said:

Jesus was a descendant of Adam through his mother Mary, and as such he partook of the fallen nature of Adam.

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Mary was implanted with an embryo that had none of her DNA….Jesus said he was “not from this world”…did he lie? He could not be of anyone’s “fallen nature” because that would have invalidated his sacrifice.


Our baptism as Christians is a public declaration that we have accepted Christ as our savior, and have promised God to do all in our power to imitate our Master.….to follow his teachings, and to stick to the truth of God’s word as he did. We have to be able to understand the commitment before we make it.

Im afraid that your argument is not supported by Scripture.

Greetings again Aunty Jane,

Aunty Jane said:

Christ’s perfect body of flesh and blood….the exact equivalent of what Adam was before his defection

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Jesus came in the same flesh as us.

Aunty Jane said:

Mary was implanted with an embryo that had none of her DNA

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Mary was the mother of Jesus, not a surrogate.

Kind regards
Trevor

TrevorHL said:

Jesus came in the same flesh as us.

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No, he did not, otherwise he could not have paid the ransom demanded for the price of redemption.
Why did Jesus need to come from outside the flawed human race to provide the price of redemption?

TrevorHL said:

Mary was the mother of Jesus, not a surrogate.

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Mary was, for all intents and purposes, the woman who gave birth to him…in those days, no one knew about fetal implantation, God implanted the embryo in Mary’s womb, but the child was God’s son. He was not related to her genetically, otherwise her imperfection would have been half of his DNA...still flawed.

In order to be the sacrificial “lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world”, Jesus had to pay back what Adam lost for all his children……you don’t seem to understand the principles of redemption.

Christ’s sacrifice is also called a “ransom”….so if you understand what a ransom is, it is the price paid to free someone held captive. Are Adam’s children held captive to sin and death? What was the price demanded for their release? The equivalent of what Adam lost.

It is not more complicated than that.

Greetings again Aunty Jane,

Aunty Jane said:

God implanted the embryo in Mary’s womb, but the child was God’s son. He was not related to her genetically, otherwise her imperfection would have been half of his DNA...still flawed.

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I disagree with your and I assume JW theology on two counts. Firstly Mary and Jesus were direct descendants of David:

Luke 1:26–35 (KJV): 26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

That Jesus was a direct descendant of David is also stated in the following:
Romans 1:1–4 (KJV): 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

It is also taught in the following:
Acts 2:25–32 (KJV): 25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

The second disagreement with your and JW theology is that this reference has the added feature denied by JWs, that it is the flesh of Jesus, descended from David, that is raised from the dead to sit on David's Throne. This is still flesh, but no longer mortal, but it is changed from mortality to immortality.

Kind regards
Trevor

TrevorHL said:

Firstly Mary and Jesus were direct descendants of David:

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Jesus actually had this conversation with the Pharisees…..
Matt 22:41-45…
”And while the Pharisees were gathered Jesus put the question to them 42 “What do you think about the Messiah? whose son is he to be?” They said to him “David’s.” 43 He said to them “How is it then that David in the Spirit calls him lord, in the words 44 ‘The Lord said to my lord “Sit at my right hand till I put your enemies underneath your feet”’? 45 if then David calls him lord, how is he to be his son?” 46 And nobody could give him any answer, and from that day on no one any longer dared to put any question to him.”

Jesus was quoting Psalm 110:1-2. So how is David’s “lord” also his son? Can you give an answer that the Pharisees could not?

TrevorHL said:

That Jesus was a direct descendant of David is also stated in the following:

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Yes, it was assumed by all that Mary was his mother in the earthly sense, but Jesus came through Mary, not from her. For all intents a purposes, Jesus’ identity as the son of Mary and Joseph did not take into account who he was before his human birth.

TrevorHL said:

It is also taught in the following:
Acts 2:25–32

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Again the assumption was that he was the son of Joseph and Mary and as such fulfilled the prophesy.
Both Joseph and Mary belong to the tribe of Judah, and are both descendants of King David. So the heirship rights of Jesus would be doubly established.

TrevorHL said:

The second disagreement with your and JW theology is that this reference has the added feature denied by JWs, that it is the flesh of Jesus, descended from David, that is raised from the dead to sit on David's Throne. This is still flesh, but no longer mortal, but it is changed from mortality to immortality.

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Since Jesus had to return to heaven to present the value of his sacrificial blood to his God and Father, it would be impossible for Jesus to be raised in a fleshly body….

Hebrews 9:24…
”For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, so that he now appears before God on our behalf.”

1 Cor 15:50…”But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom“….

Flesh and blood cannot exist in the spirit realm. Humans are confined to the earth, where the life support they need to live and breathe is abundantly supplied. Spirits live in heaven….fleshly creatures live on earth.
No creature of flesh and blood can go to heaven. They must be transformed into spirit beings. What is mortal puts on immortality…..for the chosen ones.

Jesus was a spirit who became a human to sacrifice his life for us….he returned to his Father in spirit form and will rule from heaven with his elect over earthly subjects.
That is what the scriptures teach. That is what I believe…