Is the Gift of Salvation nullified by the consequences of refusal?

St. SteVen said:

Agree.

There is nothing we can do to undo what only God can do in the first place.

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Amen.

I can't imagine a born again Christian who would insist they're impermanently reprieved from their sinner status.
Which is what I see if anyone who claims Christ insist they can also throw his gift back at him.

I think much of the denial of Salvation being only what God says it is, is because skeptics and deniers don't know the meaning of Sovereignty,Dominion and Irrevocable.

And if we could release ourselves from God's eternal Salvation,where is it written? And where is the step by step process described in His word that details how we return back to our dead in sin state?

Why would any born again Christian insist they can go back by choice to being dead in their sins?

I think those who insist Jesus didn't die to seal our eternal Salvation covenant are actually unbelievers trying to wind up the faithful. Seriously.

Christians would never want to suffer the fate of damnation.

St. SteVen said:

I'll have to be honest on this point, there are biblical arguments on both sides of the eternal security issue.
I happen to agree with your position on this, obviously. Here's a topic on the subject. Both sides share.

The Case for Eternal Security

This is typically discussed under the derogatory term OSAS (once saved always saved) So, I wanted to present the topic under positive terms. To me, the comparison is between Eternal Security and Eternal Insecurity. (my own derogatory term) Those who oppose OSAS (Eternal Security) usually don't...

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We cannot by an act of our own will undo what only God could do in the first place.
Even in the case of Reprobation, it is God's choice, not ours. And his aim is to return the lost sheep to the fold.
He is, after all, the Good Shepherd. - St. SteVen

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I don't think it wise for us to argue with the point of view that insists humans are able to overcome God's plan,will,or covenant promise of eternal security.

Just the term,eternal security, precludes any implication of loss.

My experience is,the ideology of impermanence in Christ is personal.

Whereas those who are secure in Christ have no doubt. Nor can we be led to fear.

St. SteVen said:

Agree.
I started a topic to present the positive view of eternal security.
Every other topic on the subject was negative.
My topic was met with considerable push-back.

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I don't know anyone who is Christian who will insist they are not secure in Christ and his eternal Salvation.

There's a group here that insist celebrations in the name of Jesus are overcome by Pagans ritual schedules. Even our Calendar days are to be condemned as Pagan.

I'm not going to ask what names they substitute for Monday,Tuesday, and all.

You might want to face the very real possibility that there are those who want to deny Jesus and his Gospel.

St. SteVen said:

Right.
We aren't saved by the Bible.

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Some of us are.

St. SteVen said:

We aren't saved by the church.

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Some of us are.

St. SteVen said:

We aren't saved by baptism.

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Some of us are.

St. SteVen said:

We aren't saved by doctrine.

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Some of us are.

St. SteVen said:

Only God can save.

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True, but to deny the journey is to miss the essence of it.

St. SteVen said:

God saves us through a renewed relationship with Him.
Salvation is a relationship with God.

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That relationship will undoubtedly involve a journey through the Bible, doctrine, baptism, and the church.

St. SteVen said:

They use as a derogatory term "OSAS" (Once Saved Always Saved)
Claiming that those who promote eternal security do it as a license to sin. (sigh)

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That tells me those who would do that are not in the church. It's of the Devil. Because that is exactly what God's adversary would want to teach people.
Get saved,sin all you want.


Jesus would never say anything that could be interpreted in such a way.
Because Jesus told us, those who make a habit of sinning do not know him. Which means they aren't in his grace.

New Creation in Christ people do not lose salvation.
Paul here on being reconciled to God is he is pleading with unsaved church members in Corinth to be reconciled with God.
Every church has some people who are unsaved.

2 Cor 5
For we know that if our earthly [a]house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our [b]habitation which is from heaven, 3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. 4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life.

5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as [c]a guarantee.

6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.
7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.
8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

The Judgment Seat of Christ​

9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 11 Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.

Be Reconciled to God​

12 For we do not commend ourselves again to you, but give you opportunity to boast on our behalf, that you may have an answer for those who boast in appearance and not in heart. 13 For if we are beside ourselves, it is for God; or if we are of sound mind, it is for you. 14 For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; 15 and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again.

16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not [d]imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.