Is the Gift of Salvation nullified by the consequences of refusal?

[Sister-n-Christ]

Agree.

There is nothing we can do to undo what only God can do in the first place.

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Amen.

I can't imagine a born again Christian who would insist they're impermanently reprieved from their sinner status.
Which is what I see if anyone who claims Christ insist they can also throw his gift back at him.

I think much of the denial of Salvation being only what God says it is, is because skeptics and deniers don't know the meaning of Sovereignty,Dominion and Irrevocable.

And if we could release ourselves from God's eternal Salvation,where is it written? And where is the step by step process described in His word that details how we return back to our dead in sin state?

Why would any born again Christian insist they can go back by choice to being dead in their sins?

I think those who insist Jesus didn't die to seal our eternal Salvation covenant are actually unbelievers trying to wind up the faithful. Seriously.

Christians would never want to suffer the fate of damnation.

 

[St. SteVen]

I can't imagine a born again Christian who would insist they're impermanently reprieved from their sinner status.
Which is what I see if anyone who claims Christ insist they can also throw his gift back at him.

I think much of the denial of Salvation being only what God says it is, is because skeptics and deniers don't know the meaning of Sovereignty,Dominion and Irrevocable.

I'll have to be honest on this point, there are biblical arguments on both sides of the eternal security issue.
I happen to agree with your position on this, obviously. Here's a topic on the subject. Both sides share.

The Case for Eternal Security

This is typically discussed under the derogatory term OSAS (once saved always saved) So, I wanted to present the topic under positive terms. To me, the comparison is between Eternal Security and Eternal Insecurity. (my own derogatory term) Those who oppose OSAS (Eternal Security) usually don't...

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We cannot by an act of our own will undo what only God could do in the first place.
Even in the case of Reprobation, it is God's choice, not ours. And his aim is to return the lost sheep to the fold.
He is, after all, the Good Shepherd. - St. SteVen

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[Sister-n-Christ]

I'll have to be honest on this point, there are biblical arguments on both sides of the eternal security issue.
I happen to agree with your position on this, obviously. Here's a topic on the subject. Both sides share.

The Case for Eternal Security

This is typically discussed under the derogatory term OSAS (once saved always saved) So, I wanted to present the topic under positive terms. To me, the comparison is between Eternal Security and Eternal Insecurity. (my own derogatory term) Those who oppose OSAS (Eternal Security) usually don't...

www.christianityboard.com

We cannot by an act of our own will undo what only God could do in the first place.
Even in the case of Reprobation, it is God's choice, not ours. And his aim is to return the lost sheep to the fold.
He is, after all, the Good Shepherd. - St. SteVen

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I don't think it wise for us to argue with the point of view that insists humans are able to overcome God's plan,will,or covenant promise of eternal security.

Just the term,eternal security, precludes any implication of loss.

My experience is,the ideology of impermanence in Christ is personal.

Whereas those who are secure in Christ have no doubt. Nor can we be led to fear.

 

[St. SteVen]

I don't think it wise for us to argue with the point of view that insists humans are able to overcome God's plan,will,or covenant promise of eternal security.

Agree.
I started a topic to present the positive view of eternal security.
Every other topic on the subject was negative.
My topic was met with considerable push-back.

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[Sister-n-Christ]

Agree.
I started a topic to present the positive view of eternal security.
Every other topic on the subject was negative.
My topic was met with considerable push-back.

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I don't know anyone who is Christian who will insist they are not secure in Christ and his eternal Salvation.

There's a group here that insist celebrations in the name of Jesus are overcome by Pagans ritual schedules. Even our Calendar days are to be condemned as Pagan.

I'm not going to ask what names they substitute for Monday,Tuesday, and all.

You might want to face the very real possibility that there are those who want to deny Jesus and his Gospel.

 

[St. SteVen]

I don't know anyone who is Christian who will insist they are not secure in Christ and his eternal Salvation.

They use as a derogatory term "OSAS" (Once Saved Always Saved)
Claiming that those who promote eternal security do it as a license to sin. (sigh)

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[CadyandZoe]

Right.
We aren't saved by the Bible.

Some of us are.

We aren't saved by the church.

Some of us are.

We aren't saved by baptism.

Some of us are.

We aren't saved by doctrine.

Some of us are.

Only God can save.

True, but to deny the journey is to miss the essence of it.

God saves us through a renewed relationship with Him.
Salvation is a relationship with God.

That relationship will undoubtedly involve a journey through the Bible, doctrine, baptism, and the church.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

They use as a derogatory term "OSAS" (Once Saved Always Saved)
Claiming that those who promote eternal security do it as a license to sin. (sigh)

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That tells me those who would do that are not in the church. It's of the Devil. Because that is exactly what God's adversary would want to teach people.
Get saved,sin all you want.


Jesus would never say anything that could be interpreted in such a way.
Because Jesus told us, those who make a habit of sinning do not know him. Which means they aren't in his grace.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]