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Yep, pretty basic
The Souls, And The Dead, Are With The Lord In The Spiritual Realm Of No Time, They Are Not On This Earth In Physical Bodies In A Millennial Kingdom
Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived
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The Souls, And The Dead, Are With The Lord In The Spiritual Realm Of No Time, They Are Not On This Earth In Physical Bodies In A Millennial Kingdom
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There is one time of resurrection for all, this takes place on the (Last Day) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ
There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second) death resurrection has no power.
1.) (First) Resurrection To Life
2.) (Second) Resurrection To Damnation, The Second Death
Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below
John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
The (Last Day) Judgement
John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Ronald Nolette
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So what are the first resurrectged doing for your no -literal thousand years for your non-millenial kingdom?
Kind of stupid Jesus reigning for a miniscule amount of time don't you think? He returns to earth at teh end of the thousand year kingdom according to you. Can you show a verse that shows how He comes back? Because if He comes at teh end of teh allegorical millenial lkingdom- the white throne is set up, death is desatroyed and Jesus no longer reigns!
Ronald Nolette
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Then you are in opposition to Gods Word!
Revelation 20
King James Version
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
YOu have called the thousand years non-literal, but have provided no biblical mandate for making it allegorical. But according to your new statement now- the righteous are resurrected and this non-literal 1,000 years must occur on the same day!
So Satan is abyssed for 24 hours First the righteous are resurreted and live and reign with Jesus for 24 hours, then the lost dead are resurrected, then Satan is loosed from the abyss in that same 24 hour period and goes around gathering an army from around the world:
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Gets them to jerusalem all within that 24 hour period, then God sends fire from heaven to devour them and then yo0u have Jesus return? MY MY MY that is an awful busy day!
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There is one time of resurrection for all, this takes place on the (Last Day) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ
There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second) death resurrection has no power.
1.) (First) Resurrection To Life
2.) (Second) Resurrection To Damnation, The Second Death
Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below
John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
The (Last Day) Judgement
John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
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Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?
"Deceive The Nations" To Battle
The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming
If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign
Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?
Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.
Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle
(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event
(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
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Your claim of a 24 hour period is (Your Claim) and a distortion of my claims seen above
The 6th vial is poured out towards the end of the tribulation, as Satan is loosed to gather the nations, not once do I claim it's 24 hours
Misrepresentation that's dishonest
Davy
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It's evident the baloney proposed in the OP isn't from The Bible. The following is...
Zech 14:6-9
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
KJV
Zech 14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV
The beginning of that Zechariah 14 chapter covers the day of Christ's return on the "day of the Lord", back to earth at the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, where He ascended to The Father in view of His disciples, per Acts 1.
Zech 14:6-9
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
KJV
Zech 14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV
The beginning of that Zechariah 14 chapter covers the day of Christ's return on the "day of the Lord", back to earth at the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, where He ascended to The Father in view of His disciples, per Acts 1.
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Zechariah 14:18KJV
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Michiah-Imla
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What is this?
I am failing to see what the scripture REALLY means????
Nothing in scripture is hidden.
If you go beyond what the scripture plainly states you are playing with fire!
Even the sorcerer Balaam said:
“And Balaam answered and said unto the servants of Balak, If Balak would give me his house full of silver and gold, I cannot go beyond the word of the LORD my God, to do less or more.” (Numbers 22:18, KJV)
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Where does it mention his legion of demons here? Nowhere, right? Should we take that to mean his legion of demons don't join him in the LOF? After all, isn't that the same logic you are using elsewhere? Why use it elsewhere and not here as well?
Just because Revelation 20:1-3 does not mention his legion of demons, this does not prove they are not bound with satan. Just because Revelation 20:10 doesn't mention his legion of demons, this does not prove his legions of demons are not cast in there with him.
But maybe there is something in the OT that might prove his demons are bound with him?
Isaiah 24:21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.
Verse 22 says---'they' shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison. Why can't 'they' be meaning any of these in verse 21---the host of the high ones that are on high? Thus his legion of demons.
BTW, good luck anyone convincingly getting verse 22 to logically fit something 2000 years ago. Good luck anyone convincingly proving verse 22 is not connected with satan's binding and loosing in Revelation 20. Good luck anyone convincingly proving that verse 21 does not involve anything recorded in Revelation 19.
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Spiritual Israelite
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How convenient for you to ignore that verse 22 is also referring to the kings of the earth and not just "the host of the high ones that are on high". And how convenient for you to ignore verses 19 and 20 as well. Everyone can see how you just cherry pick scripture to form your doctrine.
Spiritual Israelite
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Let's see if you really go by what scripture plainly states or not. Who are the mortals that you think will populate the earth after Jesus returns? Can you explain how any mortals can survive this...
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Michiah-Imla
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They will populate the new earth:
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.” (Revelation 21:1, KJV)
That it?
Was that supposed to be a “gotcha” moment?
Spiritual Israelite
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I'm not playing "gotcha" games here. The new heaven and new earth will not have any mortals on it and will be ushered in after the thousand years, so how does this answer my question about who the mortals would be that would supposedly populate the earth for a thousand years after Jesus returns?
Michiah-Imla
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Why don’t you just tell me what you believe with scripture references so I can understand exactly what you’re alluding to…
Forgive me, I haven’t been following this thread lately.
Spiritual Israelite
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Yes, I see that a post of yours from about 4 years ago was replied to for some reason. But, in that post you said "There will be a literal thousand year reign of Christ on earth.". I'm trying to show you that is not true because it contradicts passages like 2 Peter 3:10-12. I'm an Amillennialist.
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