Rightly Dividing Calvinism

Episkopos · Saturday at 10:25 AM

In the debate between Calvin and Arminius...I think both have a point but neither is right entirely. God works with mankind in synergy. We always retain freewill. Paul could have still rejected the Lord and remain blind. Jesus didn't force the 9 lepers who walked away to return to Him. On judgment day we will be judged by what we did with what we were given...based on our free will. Based on our DOINGS...on the righteousness we allowed ourselves to have or become servants to.

However, free will only takes us so far. We can't decide to be spiritual in Christ....we must be elected to the higher walk and race based on spiritual life. So for holiness...it looks more like Calvinism. But we are also to choose God to obey Him...which looks more like Arminianism.

Like I said...a synergy.

The kicker in all this is that those who can't find the balance in these doctrines of men are usually doing the very thing they see as wrong. Arminians can reduce God to what they can understand. Calvinists can limit God's mercy by judging others wrongfully.

God gives grace to the humble.

Behold · Saturday at 10:26 AM

Episkopos said:
Agreed. It's better to rightly divide things than to just throw things out..

John Calvin didnt deny this eternal reality, found in this verse... but you have, many may times.

See yo there...... @Episkopos

""""""In Christ we have redemption through his blood, The Forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace

English Standard Version
In him we have redemption through his blood, The forgiveness of our Tresspasses, according to the riches of his grace,

King James Bible
In whom we have redemption through his blood, The forgiveness of our sins, according to the riches of his grace;

New King James Version
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our sins, according to the riches of His grace

New American Standard Bible
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our wrong doings, according to the riches of His grace

Behold · Saturday at 10:28 AM

Episkopos said:
In the debate between Calvin and Arminius...

IVe never met a Legalist who didnt know a lot about what Calvin & Arminius teach, yet nothing about this...... Spiritual walk.

See you there @Episkopos

For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
ASV
For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
AMP
for I made the decision to know nothing [that is, to forego philosophical or theological discussions regarding inconsequential things and opinions while] among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified [and the meaning of His redemptive, substitutionary death and His resurrection].
AMPC
For I resolved to know nothing (to be acquainted with nothing, to make a display of the knowledge of nothing, and to be conscious of nothing) among you except Jesus Christ (the Messiah) and Him crucified.
BRG
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
CSB
I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
CEB
I had made up my mind not to think about anything while I was with you except Jesus Christ, and to preach him as crucified.
CJB
for I had decided that while I was with you I would forget everything except Yeshua the Messiah, and even him only as someone who had been executed on a stake as a criminal.
CEV
In fact, while I was with you, I made up my mind to speak only about Jesus Christ, who had been nailed to a cross.
DARBY
For I did not judge [it well] to know anything among you save Jesus Christ, and *him* crucified.
DLNT
For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ— and this One having been crucified.
DRA
For I judged not myself to know anything among you, but Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
ERV
I decided that while I was with you I would forget about everything except Jesus Christ and his death on the cross.
EASY
While I was with you, I decided to teach you only about Jesus Christ. I taught you about his death on a cross. I wanted to forget everything else.
EHV
For I had no intention of knowing anything among you except Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
ESV
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
ESVUK
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified

Episkopos · Saturday at 10:40 AM

Behold said:
John Calvin didnt deny this eternal reality, found in this verse... but you have, many may times.

See yo there...... @Episkopos

""""""In Christ we have redemption through his blood, The Forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace

English Standard Version
In him we have redemption through his blood, The forgiveness of our Tresspasses, according to the riches of his grace,

King James Bible
In whom we have redemption through his blood, The forgiveness of our sins, according to the riches of his grace;

New King James Version
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our sins, according to the riches of His grace

New American Standard Bible
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our wrong doings, according to the riches of His grace

It's funny that you use the words "eternal reality" for the verse you posted since you can only read in English and based on a faulty translation of the Greek word "aphesis" (which means freedom)....which has infected your yet carnal mind to such a degree that you repeat your error over and over again. There is no power or reality in any of your claims. All you have is volume. Lots of words...lots of narcissism, hubris, pride, and the demeaning of others who aren't as suitably indoctrinated into error as yourself.

The real eternal reality is that the blood of Jesus cleanses from sin. Only those who have been washed from sin will understand the huge difference between liberty and forgiveness.

No one who sees the big statue in New York harbour calls it the "statue of forgiveness". Why? Because the USA is based on laws. Just like the kingdom of God.

You are antonomian (against law) because you don't know that grace is the POWER to fulfill the law...Jesus rejects lawless ones.

By faith law is established.

To run the race in eternal reality one must run LAWFULLY. How? By grace through faith.

Behold · Saturday at 11:00 AM

Episkopos said:
It's funny that you use the words "eternal reality"

Paul uses the term...Eternal when explaing Christ's Cross........so, that is why you never will understand it.

Let me show you how the Cross of Christ, is eternal.....

A.) "God hath made JESUS......to BE SIN...for US".........as ... = "the ONE TIME ETENRAL.... sacrifice for sin".

Now, your cult commentaries that you teach, that police your false theology, do not understand this, nor can they,.... as Legalism documents, can't understand the Blood Atonement, tho most who teach a false Gospel... will pretend that they do understand.

But you dont.

Episkopos said:
for the verse you posted since you can only read in English and based on a faulty translation of the Greek word "aphesis"

I only posted what, 6 or 7 Bible Translations for you.
So, if i posted the other 30, you'd still deny them....as that is all you can do..

Episkopos said:
The real eternal reality is the the blood of Jesus cleanses from sin.

THe Cross of Christ is where a sinner finds eternal FORGIVENESS for their Sin.

"Jesus is the one time Eternal Sacrifice for Sin"., and if your sin is not forgiven, then Jesus told you that you shall "die in your sins".

You like to mock this on Public forums, but one day, you wont be able to do that anymore.

Episkopos said:
Only those who have been washed from sin will understand the huge difference between liberty and forgiveness.

THe Cross of Christ is where a sinner finds eternal FORGIVENESS for their Sin.

That has to happen before God can give them the "new birth" "in Christ".

"Jesus is the one time Eternal Sacrifice for Sin"., and if your sin is not forgiven, then Jesus told you that you shall "die in your sins"...

Episkopos said:
No one who sees the big statue in New York harbour calls it the "statue of forgiveness". Why?

Is Jesus on The Cross, dying for your sin, a big metal statue?
Maybe if you are on LSD daily in the Great White North... , or lving inside your Pipe dream self styled theology.. @Episkopos
So, your attempt to compare what can't be compared, is typical of your nonsense and self styled approach to twisting The NT. @Episkopos

Big Boy Johnson · Saturday at 12:25 PM

Episkopos said:
Rightly Dividing Calvinism

That's like trying to rightly divide satanism! :funlaugh2

Episkopos · Saturday at 1:46 PM

Big Boy Johnson said:
That's like trying to rightly divide satanism!

People who have no experience of the divine tend to misunderstand the full measure of grace available in he gospel....full freedom from sin. Many are in unbelief due to the issue of divine intervention/visitation that this grace requires.

That is a flaw of going too far away from Calvinism. throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Lizbeth · Saturday at 4:31 PM

Episkopos said:
There are different levels to being a Calvinist. Maybe you aren't too severe in your own viewpoint.

That's interesting because I think you are too severe in some of your doctrine. No offense intended, just saying.

Lizbeth · Saturday at 4:53 PM

Episkopos said:
In Christ we FULFILL the righteousness of God. In Christ, the righteousness of God is fulfilled in us.

Yes and it has been fulfilled in us....because our new man has been created after the image of He who created it. And scripture then instructs, exhorts and admonishes us to therefore walk in what we have received........to manifest that new man and no longer obey the old. We began fulfilling His righteousness when we came to faith, when the Lord turned our lives around 180 degrees to begin obeying and following Him. Albeit not perfectly yet in our immaturity.

Lizbeth · Saturday at 5:00 PM

Episkopos said:
It just seems like that from your legalistic cult theology perspective. I speak the truth. because of that many will flip their own error onto me and claim I'm doing what they are doing. So you have described your own religious condition.

I have faith in God....not some religious formula. And the Bible fully attests that "doing righteousness" is a requirement for acceptance with God. If you read the bible for yourself..instead of following cult leaders...you would not disparage the scriptures as you do.

You can't take a few verses out of context that you don't understand...and then seek to destroy the truth of all the other passages. Only cult people do that.

If something is imputed then it can't be a gift. Check out any 4th grader for advice if you have a hard time understanding that.

Name it and claim it. See how that works out for you. All talk, no power.

Not true, Epi....there is power and also fruit.......just not perfected yet. I do agree we therefore need to reach for more than what we received initially. The modern church sets the bar too low and doesn't teach or exhort to go on to perfection.

Lizbeth · Saturday at 5:10 PM

Episkopos said:
Agreed. It's better to rightly divide things than to just throw things out...without consideration. I think people get too partisan about things...throwing out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak.

I also see Calvinism as taking things to extreme...leaving crucial aspects out..like free will and the need to come before God. Jesus healed 10 lepers but only one came back to Him. Jesus asked..I healed ten, where are the other nine?

Agreed. But don't forget Jesus did heal and make clean all those lepers which to continue the allegory refers to healing in the spiritual sense and cleansing from sin..

Big Boy Johnson · 2025-06-15T01:22:33-0500

Episkopos said:
That is a flaw of going too far away from Calvinism.

Calvinism is not biblical. It's a trick of the devil and an exercise in scripture twisting and ignoring portions of God's Word.

Believe what you want, but I learned long ago to stick with God's Word and ignore the reformers, the catholics, or any other religious system as they are all tools of deception used by satan to deceive people in to thinking they are walking with the Lord when they are actually following the darkened wisdom of religious minded men who have been deceived by the devil.

Episkopos said:
full freedom from sin.

Funny how the reformers teach we're all born as sinners and we can't help but sin every day in though word and deed.

I've seen this coming from calvinists, lutherns, as well as catholics

They are actually claiming that we all are nothing more than forgiven sinners and we all live in sin all the time which is not biblical and certainly not being free from sin.

Episkopos · 2025-06-15T05:52:38-0500

Lizbeth said:
Not true, Epi....there is power and also fruit.......just not perfected yet. I do agree we therefore need to reach for more than what we received initially. The modern church sets the bar too low and doesn't teach or exhort to go on to perfection.

You're not understanding the different standards. When the bible speaks of perfection it is speaking of saints. There IS the "peaceable fruit of righteousness" for non-saints. But in that standard you can't judge others. You have to accept righteousness in all its forms...not just God's righteousness. Few can hold to that standard (God's). What people will do that have no wisdom is judge others against a standard they don't hold themselves to. You can't take an aspect of one standard and try mixing and matching according to your own taste. That's where iniquity lies. God hates hypocrisy.

The error to avoid is claim all gifts but with no standard. Like a fake cowboy is all hat no cattle.

Lizbeth · 2025-06-15T08:09:25-0500

Episkopos said:
You're not understanding the different standards. When the bible speaks of perfection it is speaking of saints. There IS the "peaceable fruit of righteousness" for non-saints. But in that standard you can't judge others. You have to accept righteousness in all its forms...not just God's righteousness. Few can hold to that standard (God's). What people will do that have no wisdom is judge others against a standard they don't hold themselves to. You can't take an aspect of one standard and try mixing and matching according to your own taste. That's where iniquity lies. God hates hypocrisy.

The error to avoid is claim all gifts but with no standard. Like a fake cowboy is all hat no cattle.

What do you mean by "judging others"? Are you talking about condemning others or discerning others? We are certainly called to discern, and very much need to, but that doesn't mean to condemn. We are not worthy to judge others in the sense of condemning but leave that kind of judgment for the only One who is worthy. I don't accept righteousness in all its forms.......for example, self-righteousness can be discerned and God doesn't accept that, nor should we allow ourselves to be fooled by it so we need to discern it, both in ourselves and in others. That is the kind of righteousness that is literally destroying western civilization as we speak. Should we call it acceptable?

I don't know if I'm understanding your point, but there are only two kinds of people in the world, either they know and belong to the Lord or they don't. Spiritually speaking, it is either Jew or Gentile, as we have that allegory from scripture. Within the category of spiritual Jews/Israel, the saved, there are different levels or stages of growth in the Lord, different levels of closeness to Him, and some are so disobedient and deceived as to be in danger of losing their salvation. You would like spiritual Gentiles, the lost who don't know the Lord, to be saved by their own righteousness, but that is not what scripture teaches. Buy they, both the good and bad among them, are welcome to be joined to spiritual Israel though, by being saved and coming to know the Lord and thus be reconciled and belong to Him. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life...no man comes to the Father (reconciled to Him) but BY Jesus.

Episkopos · 2025-06-15T08:26:37-0500

Lizbeth said:
What do you mean by "judging others"? Are you talking about condemning others or discerning others? We are certainly called to discern, and very much need to, but that doesn't mean to condemn. We are not worthy to judge others in the sense of condemning but leave that kind of judgment for the only One who is worthy. I don't accept righteousness in all its forms.......for example, self-righteousness can be discerned and God doesn't accept that, nor should we allow ourselves to be fooled by it so we need to discern it, both in ourselves and in others. That is the kind of righteousness that is literally destroying western civilization as we speak. Should we call it acceptable?

You are not seeing the self-righteousness in your own claims.

If you are not holy, you can't judge others for not being holy either. It's the speck and the beam analogy. The only people that claim to be righteous are religious people...like yourself. True righteous people are humble and don't claim anything for themselves.

Jesus didn't teach dogmatic theology. You don't see it but you do such.

The "good Samaritan" was not a Jew. Neither was he a Christian...yet he was exemplary in righteousness...loving his neighbour as himself. You don't seem to be able to understand how righteousness works. How can you understand a higher righteousness if you don't understand basic righteousness? How can you understand the New Covenant if you don't see the standard of righteousness as laid out in the law...to love others as oneself????

Lizbeth said:
I don't know if I'm understanding your point, but there are only two kinds of people in the world, either they know and belong to the Lord or they don't.

No. That's dogmatic. That's where you don't understand how God sees things. His people are saints..holy. But God's mercy extends beyond the saints...even if your own idea of mercy fails. The idea is that by being dogmatic, you condemn yourself...since ONLY saints belong to God. If you hold to that standard then you count yourself outside God's mercy since you are not holy...not sanctified by a perfect walk in the Spirit.

Read Luke 16. Most potential saints will not make the cut. So where will they go? A wise person finds a place among the righteous. They find a place in the eternal habitation of the righteous (the nations of them which are saved).

What have you been learning?

Lizbeth said:
Spiritually speaking, it is either Jew or Gentile, as we have that allegory from scripture. Within the category of spiritual Jews/Israel, the saved, there are different levels or stages of growth in the Lord, different levels of closeness to Him, and some are so disobedient and deceived as to be in danger of losing their salvation. You would like spiritual Gentiles, the lost who don't know the Lord, to be saved by their own righteousness, but that is not what scripture teaches.

In God's eyes there is no barrier like Jew or Gentile since God is not a respecter of persons...whether male or female, slave or free.

Either one belongs to Christ or not. Of course MANY will claim to belong to Christ who are just fans of His. MANY will be rejected based on claiming something that isn't true.

But God's mercy extends beyond the saints.

You are not understanding the bible at all. There are also GUESTS at the wedding feast...the righteous. The saints are the Bride. The righteous are the guests.

Lizbeth said:
Buy they, both the good and bad among them, are welcome to be joined to spiritual Israel though, by being saved and coming to know the Lord and thus be reconciled and belong to Him. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life...no man comes to the Father (reconciled to Him) but BY Jesus.

SOOOOOO dogmatic. The righteous are both good and bad.....the nations are populated with these. The holy city is for the holy...who walk in Christ's resurrection life and power.

Come out of the ditch of religion and read the bible more carefully. See the wonder of God's judgments. Stop with crooked paths...and make them straight. Follow one standard at a time. Discern the holy and the righteous. Otherwise iniquity makes the higher claims to be as filthiness before God.

Big Boy Johnson · 2025-06-15T13:50:05-0500

Episkopos said:
Jesus didn't teach dogmatic theology

Some do say Jesus was wishy washy not being coherent with no clear doctrine and no clear mission :funlaugh2

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