Was judas Iscariot used by Satan ??

Hiddenthings said:

First fact: It's possible to have a good Satan (adversary)
Second fact: Devil to mean false accuser is always in the negative sense.

Lets look at Devil

Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers (devil), sober, faithful in all things. 1 Tim 3:11

Here the translators could not use the word "devil" for very clear and obvious reasons!

Applying this approach looking at both words we find:

The meaning of "satan" (adversary) applies to various figures, including:

• God (2 Samuel 24:1; cf. 1 Chronicles 21:1)
• An obedient divine angel (Numbers 22:22)
• Hadad the Edomite (1 Kings 11:14)
• Peter (Matthew 16:23)

The term "devil" (accuser or slanderer) is used for:

• Judas (John 6:70)
• Women (1 Timothy 3:11; cf. Titus 2:3)
• Men (2 Timothy 3:3)
• "Sin in the flesh" (Hebrews 2:14; cf. Hebrews 9:26, Romans 5:21, 6:23), showing that "devil" can be synonymous with "sin," as further supported by Romans 7:17-18.

I could walk you through the true meaning behind every occurrence of these words, but ultimately, that won’t change the deeply held misconceptions you continue to cling to.

Your mind is closed on the matter, and as a result, you're not in a place to be taught.

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Sin seems to be personified in Genesis, but I didn't see this one on your list

For example with Cain, God says to him

Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Unto thee shall be his desire, as with Simon

Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat

Just adding that in for a reference

Truly said:

Sin seems to be personified in Genesis, but I didn't see this one on your list

For example with Cain, God says to him

Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Unto thee shall be his desire, as with Simon

Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat

Just adding that in for a reference

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Absolutely! It’s remarkable how, once you begin to understand it, sin is personified in Scripture and even referred to as the devil in passages like Hebrews 2:14. Terms like "adversary" and "false accuser" appear throughout the Bible in varied contexts, often misunderstood or overlooked.

Sadly, most Christians are reluctant to study these Scriptures in depth to become more familiar with their true meaning.

Take Luke 22:31, for example, this is actually referring to the Pharisees. They had already influenced Judas and were now seeking to undermine all of Christ’s disciples, Peter would have been the crown jewel which is why Jesus was praying in the mountains to his Father to ensure Peter was not lost.

Good thoughts

Here's the thing most miss when considering Judas.
Besides answering the age old question,if not for 'Judas' betraying Jesus ,how would Jesus have fulfilled his mission and died for our sins?

And that thing most don't consider is, Satan possessed Judas before he left the upper room to betray Jesus,and after Jesus gave Judas what we today call,Communion.

Jesus told Judas to do what he must do quickly. Must do. Quickly. John 13.

Here's the other very obvious question.

If Judas had a heart that would allow him to betray Jesus? Why did Satan possess him first and then lead him to go and do what he must do,quickly?

Here's something else to consider.

Would God send someone to Hell if it was Satan leading their body to sin through possession of it?

Sister-n-Christ said:

Here's the thing most miss when considering Judas.
Besides answering the age old question,if not for 'Judas' betraying Jesus ,how would Jesus have fulfilled his mission and died for our sins?

And that thing most don't consider is, Satan possessed Judas before he left the upper room to betray Jesus,and after Jesus gave Judas what we today call,Communion.

Jesus told Judas to do what he must do quickly. Must do. Quickly. John 13.

Here's the other very obvious question.

If Judas had a heart that would allow him to betray Jesus? Why did Satan possess him first and then lead him to go and do what he must do,quickly?

Here's something else to consider.

Would God send someone to Hell if it was Satan leading their body to sin through possession of it?

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No, no, no!

Sister-n-Christ said:

Here's the thing most miss when considering Judas.
Besides answering the age old question,if not for 'Judas' betraying Jesus ,how would Jesus have fulfilled his mission and died for our sins?

And that thing most don't consider is, Satan possessed Judas before he left the upper room to betray Jesus,and after Jesus gave Judas what we today call,Communion.

Jesus told Judas to do what he must do quickly. Must do. Quickly. John 13.

Here's the other very obvious question.

If Judas had a heart that would allow him to betray Jesus? Why did Satan possess him first and then lead him to go and do what he must do,quickly?

Here's something else to consider.

Would God send someone to Hell if it was Satan leading their body to sin through possession of it?

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It does say here that

God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Truly said:

It does say here that

God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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God shall send!

@Sister-n-Christ does not understand the sovereignty of God as she believes in another god.

It messes up the text no end!

Hiddenthings said:

God shall send!

@Sister-n-Christ does not understand the sovereignty of God as she believes in another god.

It messes up the text no end!

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I don't know what Sister-n-Christ believes, but God is just sending those who believed not the truth such a delusion, that they believe a lie.

But if you do not believe the truth anyway, all you would have by default would be a lie I would think.

Truly said:

I don't know what Sister-n-Christ believes, but God is just sending those who believed not the truth such a delusion, that they believe a lie.

But if you do not believe the truth anyway, all you would have by default would be a lie I would think.

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Those who think Divine Nature can sin are deluded and if they believe a rogue angel roams the earth devouring people, they need to seriously consider the One True God and fear Him!

If you read the Bible from cover to cover, would you find this description anywhere within its pages?

Written 100 years ago...

“This is he, with horns and hoof, The parsons call the devil; They tell us he lives in a sultry place Where ghosts and imps all revel. They say that he wears a great long tail, And carries a three-pronged fork, That he sometimes leaves his sultry home, And through the earth doth walk.
They say he can assume with ease The garb of an angel bright, And then, for a change, he takes the form Of a roaring lion at night:
That he’s power to act and do as he likes, Be in fifty places at once; And that to fulfil his evil designs, Can be wise as a sage, or a dunce.

Today, most people no longer view the devil in traditional terms although I have been astounded some in this forum still use language similar to the above. Many still believe in his existence, seeing him as a powerful force of evil often described as a fallen angel actively working to oppose God’s purposes in the world. According to this view, the devil tempts people toward wrongdoing, subtly influencing their thoughts and actions.

Why would God allow such a creature when clearly the enemy is flesh nature
Where is the being?
How are you warned of it movements?

Hiddenthings said:

Those who think Divine Nature can sin are deluded and if they believe a rogue angel roams the earth devouring people, they need to seriously consider the One True God and fear Him!

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I believe devil is mentioned as a roaring lion not a roaming angel that seeking whom to devour

As Peter said,

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

Out of whose mouth the Lord delivered Paul from

2 Ti 4:17 Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.

Paul does mention Satan being able to transform into an angel of ight though

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

And I believe they each considered the one True God and feared him

Truly said:

I believe devil is mentioned as a roaring lion not a roaming angel that seeking whom to devour

As Peter said,

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

Out of whose mouth the Lord delivered Paul from

2 Ti 4:17 Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.

Paul does mention Satan being able to transform into an angel of ight though

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

And I believe they each considered the one True God and feared him

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How does this being devour?

Hiddenthings said:

How does this being devour?

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I don't think Satan canabalistically devours men. You can be delivered from the mouth of the lion in this sense

Psalm 52:4 "Thou lovest all devouring words, O thou deceitful tongue."

Which Spirit goes with your mouth (sort of thing) is how I would understand it.

As God went with the mouth of Moses, or for example, in the Rev 13:5 we see, " And there was given unto him a mouth"

Or as we see in Christ, who says

Luke 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Speaking of the Spirit

Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Or whichever father, which could be the father of lies
As is shown in Moses

Ex 4:12 Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say.

Its the words of the wicked that lay in wait for blood, but the mouth of the upright shall deliver them

The Lord is upright, and its the mouth of the upright that delivers them Prov 12:6

As shown here

2 Ti 4:17 Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.

Mentioned earlier

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Lying spirits are shown as being placed in the mouths also

1 Kings 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Same devouring (from the mouth) is shown in speaking God's words

Jerm 5:14 Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

Similarly here

Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Truly said:

I don't think Satan canabalistically devours men. You can be delivered from the mouth of the lion in this sense

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You recognise that it's symbolic, yet you lack the tools to grasp its meaning. Instead of reading the context to understand it for yourself, you rely on unrelated scriptures, misquoted and out of place to impose error on the one you assume you understand.

The Bible requires great care to interpret correctly.

Hiddenthings said:

You recognise that it's symbolic, yet you lack the tools to grasp its meaning. Instead of reading the context to understand it for yourself, you rely on unrelated scriptures, misquoted and out of place to impose error on the one you assume you understand.

The Bible requires great care to interpret correctly.

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Thanks for giving me th heads up