Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.
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Ziggy
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2Ki 23:5
And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven.
Isa 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
I found this interesting:
To fully appreciate Earth’s arc with your own eyes, you must view it from at least 35,000 feet above sea level, an altitude only accessible by plane. In other words, no human living before the 20th century had first-hand experience of our planet’s true shape.
Yet nearly all educated people today recognize this apparent flatness as an illusion. We have a single man to thank for that: the Greek philosopher Aristotle, working in Athens in the 4th century B.C. According to historian James Hannam, author of The Globe: How the Earth Became Round, Aristotle was the first and only person to deduce that, contrary to all common sense, the ground beneath his feet curved imperceptibly.
His discovery then spread, gradually, around the world. “It took over 2,000 years to happen,” Hannam says, “but ultimately everyone from China to America knows the Earth is a globe.”
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And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven.
Isa 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
I found this interesting:
To fully appreciate Earth’s arc with your own eyes, you must view it from at least 35,000 feet above sea level, an altitude only accessible by plane. In other words, no human living before the 20th century had first-hand experience of our planet’s true shape.
Yet nearly all educated people today recognize this apparent flatness as an illusion. We have a single man to thank for that: the Greek philosopher Aristotle, working in Athens in the 4th century B.C. According to historian James Hannam, author of The Globe: How the Earth Became Round, Aristotle was the first and only person to deduce that, contrary to all common sense, the ground beneath his feet curved imperceptibly.
His discovery then spread, gradually, around the world. “It took over 2,000 years to happen,” Hannam says, “but ultimately everyone from China to America knows the Earth is a globe.”
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I spoke about Rome but you didn't address it. They ruled much of Europe, parts of Africa and parts of the middle east. Paul and many others traveled much of this planet so to claim there was no concept of the planet Earth is easily false.
It also can refer to the whole planet:
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
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γῆ
gē
ghay
Contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application): - country, earth (-ly), ground, land, world.
Total KJV occurrences: 252
It also can mean the whole planet:
H776
אֶרֶץ
'erets
eh'-rets
From an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land): - X common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X nations, way, + wilderness, world.
Total KJV occurrences: 2505
Gen_1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Clearly this is speaking of the whole planet not one area of land because it is contrasted against the heaven.
Once again: there was no general concept of planet earth in Biblical times.
one webpage says Pythagoras of Samos thought the earth must be round
one webpage says Pythagoras of Samos thought the earth must be round
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There was no concept of planet earth, that is common knowledge. If you disagree then I would would be interested to see a reference other than yourself. "Far away" does not equate to "round."
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Yes γη can mean both "plant earth" or "land" in modern times--not in Biblical times.
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That isn't true. Earth as a planet was known in ancient times.
I already did that.
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Everyone believes the Earth is round. Some believe in a globe, some a flat circle but it's round in both beliefs.
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First and foremost the book of Revelation is not to be read and understood strictly in a chronological order. It's a prophetic book from God the Father's thoughts about the Past, Present and Future, all at the same time.
Therefore, of what we read from out of Revelation, our unaided, linear thinking human mind can only think it's own thoughts about what we are reading. But, that is not how God actually thinks about a situation that WAS in the past, IS NOW at the moment, or SHALL BE in the future.
So then, without the mind of Christ within us, we have no hope to understand His thoughts or His ways about His Prophetic words, and the reality that we all shall live in..
Isa. 55:8-9 "My thoughts are not your thoughts...."
We won't receive a clear understanding about the 42 months, if we view it through the lense of church- ianity's indoctrinated rendition of "The Millennium", as being a futuristic time zone of a literal period of "a thousand years".
Amillennialists understand that this present Age of God's Grace, through faith in Christ, is the symbolic period of "a thousand years". 2 Peter 3:8-9.
The two prophetic points in question are the 1260 days and the 42 mos., which are two different time periods.
The 1260 days is in reference to the joint ministry of the Two Anointed Ones (Zech. 4:14), aka "MY Two Witnesses" of Rev. 11:3-4, who were John the Baptist and Jesus. (John for 6 mos + Jesus for 3.0 yrs.= 1260 days).
Rev. 11:3-4 And I will give power unto MY two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore [1260] days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. [Zech. 4:11-14].
Did you know that for ALL time and ALL people, the ONLY persons who ever had the Holy Spirit at birth, was John and Jesus!
From that point in time, after the 1260 days, began the symbolic period of "a thousand years" of God's Grace to all the world, through having faith in the Lord Jesus.
In the proximity of 2030 years later (+/-), the 42 mos. is strictly going to be about-
1. the 2H Beast (the USA);
2. the 10H beast (EU/NATO, aka the remnants of the Roman Empire);
3. the Image of the 10H Beast, the United Nations, shall "speak and cause"/enforce the application of "The Mark of the Beast". Rev. 13:15
The 42 mos. is all about the Beast's systems of rulership (1,2&3 altogether), and it is for "a short time".
It is God's allotment of 3.5 years of time to satan, as being the same allotment of time that satan allowed for God's "Two Anointed Ones", during the 70th week, as prophesied of in Daniel 9:24-27, concerning the Messiah being cutoff in the midst of that 70th week (Crucified).
Isa. 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
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>I spoke about Rome but you didn't address it. They ruled much of Europe, parts of Africa and parts of the middle east. Paul and many others traveled much of this planet so to claim there was no concept of the planet Earth is easily false.>
Romans traveled in the Middle East, not all around the planet.
The Apostle Paul was a Roman citizen, since he was born in the Roman colony of Tarsus. Paul traveled in the Middle East.
>It also can refer to the whole planet>
Personally I have been to Europe, Israel, China, all by commercial jet plane. Today we know the "earth" is a globe.
People in the time we are discussing did not have jet planes, hence they had no was of knowing that the earth is a globe.
Romans traveled in the Middle East, not all around the planet.
The Apostle Paul was a Roman citizen, since he was born in the Roman colony of Tarsus. Paul traveled in the Middle East.
>It also can refer to the whole planet>
Personally I have been to Europe, Israel, China, all by commercial jet plane. Today we know the "earth" is a globe.
People in the time we are discussing did not have jet planes, hence they had no was of knowing that the earth is a globe.
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Earburner
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No one at the time of the Roman Empire knew anything of what shape the earth was, whether it was flat or a globe.
It's somewhat of a moot point, since factually we all now know the Earth is a Globe.
So then for those who are promoting the forever fictitious fallacy of a flat earth, it is darn sure fact they have no idea what Binocculars are, or how a Telescope works.
No one then had the science or the technology to measure the earth, or view it from an aerial distance for a visual observation.
I wasn't ignoring your view about the beginnings of the Roman Empire and forwarding to the historic day of Jesus Crucifixion/Resurrection, and then the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem. Yes, all that happened while the Roman Empire was in power, as being the prophetic 4th Beast of Daniel 7
The claim is:
>No such thing as a 1,000 year millennium on this earth as you've been shown "Several Times">
English " millennium" stems from Latin:
mille =1000
+
annum = year
Hence 1000 years.
See Revelation 20:1-6, "one thousand years."
>No such thing as a 1,000 year millennium on this earth as you've been shown "Several Times">
English " millennium" stems from Latin:
mille =1000
+
annum = year
Hence 1000 years.
See Revelation 20:1-6, "one thousand years."
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