Growth by Affliction

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Our Father does not want us to take an affliction lightly. “A reproof enters more into a wise man than a hundred stripes into a fool” (Prov 17:10). But the more you take it to heart the more you gain in holiness; that, so to speak, is the goal.

The Father’s discipline is intended to effect the greatest gain that could possibly be acquired—even to be “partakers of His holiness” (Heb 12:10). This is the only time this phrase is used. The mere thought of partaking of the separateness in which He is, is a great delight and encouragement to the heart. It has very great practical effects.

When any of us have in any degree partaken of His holiness, we become correspondingly sensitive to everything contrary to or inconsistent with it. It is the superior thing which even enables us to refuse the inferior, and this in a wonderful way works all round. It is not that we feel that we are doing anything, but we shrink from the moral atmosphere here, and like to be encased in the armor of light—“hidden with Christ is God” (Col 3:3).

The process is a very interesting one; your divine taste is so advanced that the incongruities in everything here are not only apparent, but their real worthlessness is disclosed. You do not feel that you that you are losing (though you are losing the things here) because you are so assured of the highest and greatest gain.

Three great divine facts or events have occurred, and our faithfulness is provided as we are affected by
them. The first is that Christ has come, has died for our sins and risen. The second is that He has gone to heaven. The third is that the Holy Spirit has come down to be with us and in us. Then there actually is a fourth which is our prospect, even that He is coming to receive us unto Himself in glory.

Now every believer knows something of the first—no salvation otherwise; the second and third test our faithfulness. The Lord Jesus is in heaven. Do we “seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God” (Col 3:1)? The Holy Spirit is with us and in us: does He lead and control our hearts absolutely in this scene in the absence of our Lord?

All knowledge of truth is ineffectual when we are not in correspondence with these great unconditional facts, which remain true even when we are not true to them. But when we are, all the truth is in its place in our hearts. You are of special interest to the Lord Jesus. May He fulfill all His good pleasure concerning you, and fit you for His blessed service in a scene where there can be nothing right, because He has been rejected here.


—J B Stoney (1814-1897)








MJS daily online devotional excerpt for April 29

My life is not only in His hands, but He is my very life. “For by Him were all things created . . . and by Him all things consist” (Col. 1:16, 17). He controls and maintains the universe, and we can surely depend upon Him to care for us who share His life.

“We are all of us prone to forget the weighty fact that ‘God trieth the righteous.’ ‘He withdraweth not His eyes from the righteous’ (Ps. 11:5; Job 36:7). We are in His hands, and under His eye continually. We are the objects of His deep, tender, and unchanging love; but we are also the subjects of His wise moral government. His dealings with us are varied. They are sometimes preventive; sometimes corrective; always instructive.

“We may be bent on some course of our own, the end of which would be moral ruin. He intervenes and withdraws us from our purpose. He dashes to fragments our air-castles, dissipates our golden dreams, and interrupts many a darling scheme on which our hearts were bent, and which would have proved to be certain destruction. ‘Lo, all these things worketh God oftentimes with man, to bring back his soul from the pit, to be enlightened with the light of the living’ (Job 33:29, 30).”

Charles Henry Mackintosh (1820-1896)
 
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J B Stoney (1814-1897)

Old JB should have read what Jesus taught about affliction in Mark 4:13-20

Mark 4:13-20
And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables? The sower soweth the word. And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts. And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended. And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word, And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful. And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.

Here we see Jesus telling us the 5 things the devil uses to choke the Word and cause it to be unfruitful... IF these things are allowed to ENTER IN which we have the responsibility to not allow... see John 14:23 where Jesus says "If a man love me, he will keep my words" as in NOT allow it to be choked out of us.

The 5 things are... affliction, persecution, cares of this world, deceitfulness of riches, and lusts of other things

Jesus said God’s Kingdom works on the seedtime and harvest principle

Mark 4:26 And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground;

This is the foundation of God's creation - seedtime and harvest, sowing and reaping
 

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Wow, so when do the daily devotionals get over in to reading what the Lord says in His Word rather then what other men though He said?

I do my devotionals directly from what the Lord says. :exeex
Hi and appreciate your replies! My heart is also first in the Scriptures, but also in the teachings of those who show good doctrine.
 

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Yeah and that should be judged by scripture and we should take what Jesus said seriously about many false teachers have been sent out and they will deceive many.
I believe everyone who is saved and seeks truth cannot be ultimately misled (Mat 24:24). Thus hypocrites can only deceive hypocrites (blind leading the blind).
 

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I believe everyone who is saved and seeks truth cannot be ultimately misled (Mat 24:24). Thus hypocrites can only deceive hypocrites (blind leading the blind).

If true then God must have messed up putting warnings in His Word for Christians so they would not be deceived. Weird.

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
 

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If true then God must have messed up putting warnings in His Word for Christians so they would not be deceived. Weird.

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Hi Dan! God keeps us aware of the evil to guard against ignorance of His will. Since He always causes us to "please Him" (Phl 2:13), we can do nothing else!!
 

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Our Father does not want us to take an affliction lightly. “A reproof enters more into a wise man than a hundred stripes into a fool” (Prov 17:10).
Believing "With God, ALL things are possible?" Gives me pause in pondering how "short" we all still are of the mark!
And how many stripes and "fools" Big Pharma and the medical profession has made of us! :dusted:
Believing also only good thing doctors are good for is setting broken bones.
Are not diseases to be considered "affliction/s?"
Knowing this, is one thing. Getting to "a/the" point of where God "will" heal us?
(Sighs Heavily)
I guess it is big pharma and the medical profession that is God's "OFF ramp TO temptation?" :contemplate:
 

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He always causes us to "please Him"

I see so if at any time a Christian is not "pleasing" to God, it's God's fault then right?

You might want to re-think that position in light of the whole counsel of God.


Knowing this, is one thing. Getting to "a/the" point of where God "will" heal us?

I've already been healed according to God's Word.

By His stripes, ye WERE healed - 1 Peter 2:24

If ye were, then ye is now :wavinghand


This is a major reason why so many are not healed in that they are not receiving what's already been done for them and are instead putting it off to the future hoping to be healed someday.

We walk by faith not by sight 2 Corinthians 5:7 and the just shall live by faith Hebrews 10:38 so we are supposed to be receiving healing and health now before we can even see it and then grow to the point we don't get sick to start with.

I hope people aren't waiting to "see" salvation before they have it as that is not walking or living by faith and they'll end up going to hell because they never actually received salvation claiming what God did for them thru Jesus and belonging to them now making is a reality in their lives now by faith,

This is one of the things few ever talk about and it's a major stumbling block to receiving anything from the Lord because they are not doing it by faith as they are trying to walk by sight. People need to learn how to walk by faith
 
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I see so if at any time a Christian is not "pleasing" to God, it's God's fault then right?

You might want to re-think that position in light of the whole counsel of God.




I've already been healed according to God's Word.

By His stripes, ye WERE healed - 1 Peter 2:24

If ye were, then ye is now :wavinghand


This is a major reason why so many are not healed in that they are not receiving what's already been done for them and are instead putting it off to the future hoping to be healed someday.

We walk by faith not by sight 2 Corinthians 5:7 and the just shall live by faith Hebrews 10:38 so we are supposed to be receiving healing and health now before we can even see it and then grow to the point we don't get sick to start with.

I hope people aren't waiting to "see" salvation before they have it as that is not walking or living by faith and they'll end up going to hell because they never actually received salvation claiming what God did for them thru Jesus and belonging to them now making is a reality in their lives now by faith,

This is one of the things few ever talk about and it's a major stumbling block to receiving anything from the Lord because they are not doing it by faith as they are trying to walk by sight. People need to learn how to walk by faith
If memory serves me well? I believe there is someplace in the Bible, where when someone had some sort of disease? Someone asked 'em: "What did you do that got God angry with ya?!"
Is the same motto!
TRUST!.....BUT VERIFY!! :gd
 

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If memory serves me well? I believe there is someplace in the Bible, where when someone had some sort of disease? Someone asked 'em: "What did you do that got God angry with ya?!"
Is the same motto!
TRUST!.....BUT VERIFY!!

so if at any time a Christian is not "pleasing" to God, it's God's fault then right?

If man really has zero responsibility and God is responsible for everything, then it would have to be true that is someone is not pleasing to God it's God's fault and God dropped the ball there and failed because they person is not pleasing to Him.

This is all foolishness of course and it all came out of the false doctrines of so called "reformed theology" which came from the devil.
 

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I see so if at any time a Christian is not "pleasing" to God, it's God's fault then right?

You might want to re-think that position in light of the whole counsel of God.
God cannot fail to "work in you to "please" Him!
 

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God cannot fail to "work in you to "please" Him!

Ok there we have it folks.

When a Christian sins, it's God's fault that they sinned.
(this came out of the false doctrines of so called "reformed theology" which is demonic)

Apparently some are saying "Shame on you" to the Lord clueless-doh.gif
 

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so if at any time a Christian is not "pleasing" to God, it's God's fault then right?

If man really has zero responsibility and God is responsible for everything, then it would have to be true that is someone is not pleasing to God it's God's fault and God dropped the ball there and failed because they person is not pleasing to Him.

This is all foolishness of course and it all came out of the false doctrines of so called "reformed theology" which came from the devil.
I'd say you are on a pretty slippery slope there young man!
Might I also add a bit of context for ya!
What DID Adam say to God concerning Eve anyway? Eh?
(paraphrasing here)
"Twas YOU God that gave me the woman!"
Dunno what that tells you.
To me it tells me? At that very moment?
Lord God KNEW to what depths the serpent had infiltrated Adam!

And here's what Lord God had to say concerning the matter:
Genesis 3:19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
And?........AND?...........
imho? THAT'S WHEN the Tribulation STARTED, and DEATH entered "the Man's lifecycle!"
Matthew 7:13-14

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
To answer your question? (should not what I've written thus far?)
Uhhh........NOPE!
NOT God's fault!
Tis the ACCUSER'S fault! And Man's GULLIBILITY!

Rule #1!
God IS SOVEREIGN! :vgood:
Any questions?
See Rule #1!
 

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I'd say you are on a pretty slippery slope there young man!

I'm not the one claiming man has no responsibility for their actions.

The ditch is over on your end which is where the slippery slope leads to.


What DID Adam say to God concerning Eve anyway? Eh?

Uh huh, God's Word says Adam was the one who was deceived not Eve.

Adam knew he was doing wrong and decided to do it anyway so God is not responsible for Adam's acts.


Dunno what that tells you.

Obviously


Lord God KNEW to what depths the serpent had infiltrated Adam!

That does not mean it's God's fault and only the slow ones listening to the devil claim it is.


God IS SOVEREIGN!

Which does NOT mean He's the One causing man so sin as some suppose after they got deceived by the devil.

These tares are known as calvinists
 

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I'm not the one claiming man has no responsibility for their actions.
Seems to me you are saying I'm the one that says it's God's fault. I said no such thing young man!
Are you trying to insert things to be true that are not?
Keep saying I said something I didn't say?.........And?
By the way....Eve KNEW she was disobeying God!

Calvin had a pretty interesting "take" on things like election!
But? As time goes on, and other people take over?
And one's such as yourself say things people say that they didn't say?
Then interpretations like T.U.L.I.P. supersede any "take" Calvin had, or made.
(from google university)
While TULIP represents the "five points of Calvinism" based on his theology, the acronym was developed by his followers in the 20th century to summarize the 17th-century Canons of Dort. Calvin himself never used this acronym, which emerged centuries after his death.
Thus being? One's such as yourself, manipulating Calvin's theology over years and years?
Tis little wonder you think they way you do!
 

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Let me refresh your memory little gurL! (you're a girlie?)

You said:
He always causes us to "please Him"

Then I said:
I see so if at any time a Christian is not "pleasing" to God, it's God's fault then right?
You might want to re-think that position in light of the whole counsel of God.

*NOTE - this is a legitimate question because you said God always causes us to please Him.

Then you said:
If memory serves me well? I believe there is someplace in the Bible, where when someone had some sort of disease? Someone asked 'em: "What did you do that got God angry with ya?!"
Is the same motto!

Then I said:
so if at any time a Christian is not "pleasing" to God, it's God's fault then right?

*NOTE - this is a legitimate question because you said God always causes us to please Him.

Then You said:
God cannot fail to "work in you to "please" Him!

Then I said:
Ok there we have it folks.

When a Christian sins, it's God's fault that they sinned.
(this came out of the false doctrines of so called "reformed theology" which is demonic)

Apparently some are saying "Shame on you" to the Lord

*NOTE - this is a legitimate comment because you said "God cannot fail to "work in you to "please" Him!" as though man has zero responsibility for his actions and God causes man to act the way he acts whether it be good or bad.

Then you said:
I'd say you are on a pretty slippery slope there young man! and then kept blah blah'ing goofy stuff that's not even biblical further failing to back up your faulty claim that man has no responsibility for his actions at all claiming God does everything

Then I said:
I'm not the one claiming man has no responsibility for their actions.

*NOTE - this is a legitimate comment because you said "God cannot fail to "work in you to "please" Him!" as though man has zero responsibility for his actions and God causes man to act the way he acts whether it be good or bad.

Then you said:
Seems to me you are saying I'm the one that says it's God's fault. I said no such thing young man! - and then kept blah blah'ing more goofy stuff that's not even biblical

So that's where we stand as you continually make your case for the claim that God does it all and man has no responsibility for his actions.


By the way....Eve KNEW she was disobeying God!
That's not what the Lord says in His Word.

Adam was not deceived; the woman was deceived and fell into transgression. This is stated in 1 Timothy 2:14

Eve was deceived and Adam was not so he is the one that willingly and knowingly chose to rebel against God by bowing down to satan to do what satan told him to do rather than doing what God said to do.


Calvin had a pretty interesting "take" on things like election!
That's what people say when they don't know God's Word who are listening to the devil.

Calvin was a servant of the devil who twisted God's Word and who taught heresy as was all the followers of calvinism that came after him.


And one's such as yourself say things people say that they didn't say?
You said "God cannot fail to "work in you to "please" Him!" as though man has zero responsibility for his actions.
Would you care to amend your comment and this time say something that is biblical???


Then interpretations like T.U.L.I.P. supersede any "take" Calvin had, or made.
(from google university)
TULIP is heresy and google is a tool to spread heresy


While TULIP represents the "five points of Calvinism" based on his theology, the acronym was developed by his followers in the 20th century to summarize the 17th-century Canons of Dort. Calvin himself never used this acronym, which emerged centuries after his death.
Thus being? One's such as yourself, manipulating Calvin's theology over years and years?
Tis little wonder you think they way you do!

Yeah that little meeting they had in the 17th Century was a meeting of heretics who got together to get more information from their father the devil on how to deceive as many people as possible with heresy
 

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so if at any time a Christian is not "pleasing" to God, it's God's fault then right?

If man really has zero responsibility and God is responsible for everything, then it would have to be true that is someone is not pleasing to God it's God's fault and God dropped the ball there and failed because they person is not pleasing to Him.

This is all foolishness of course and it all came out of the false doctrines of so called "reformed theology" which came from the devil.
Do you see this? You wrote that! Not I!
AND?.....YOU wrote this also!
so if at any time a Christian is not "pleasing" to God, it's God's fault then right?

So there troll? You actually aren't addressing me, NOR my posts?
You're looking in a mirror thinking you're talking to someone else!
Color yourself?............Blocked!!
(and I hate blocking people..........but, I do make exceptions!)