Freedom : From Sin

Behold · Apr 17, 2026

Reader,

Ive posted a lot of teaching Threads on many "christian forums) that are strictly (Pauline Theology) regarding how to understand what it means to be "made free" from Sin, which is to become 'made free" "In Christ".
And this is a core teaching from Paul The Apostle's Church Doctrine, that is so deeply and earnestly and eternally connected to the utterly astounding finished work of Jesus on The Cross.
Ive taught a lot of Christians in this world these "Salvation" basics that are necessary to receive so that the believer is able to "work out your salvation".. which simply means to understand it perfectly as GOD designed it to exist.
To "work out your Salvation" literally means that you come to understand it exactly as God understands how and why He gave it as a "GIFT".
The "GIFT of Salvation".

So, let me now post some of Paul's doctrine again for you.....tho from a different vantage point..., as sometimes when we look at a NT Doctrine teaching from a different angle, we can see it more clearly in a different Light and we find ourselves : suddenly Enlightened.

Now what does it mean to have "freedom from sin"... or to be "made free from sin"?

And for many of you who will read this Thread the 1st time...... your 1st thought is.....>>"well, that means that i dont want to sin anymore" or....>"i have these areas of wrong desires inside me, and im able to keep them under control".. (most of the time).

See those, ?
They have nothing at all to do with being "made free from sin". ?
Nothing.

So, im going to make this really simple, and its not going to "sit right" in the mind of anyone who is trying to confess sin to keep from losing your salvation, or if you are someone who believes that "God saved me so that i can now go back and keep Moses's 613 LAWS".
And its also not going to "fit the theology" of anyone who has been wrongly taught by the MaryCult or similar, that "freedom from sin" means you "have it under control". "will power" !

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Now,
how are you to understand what it means to be "made free from sin".

A.) You are to understand it as Paul teaches it.,= because no one else in the NT understands it like He does, and that is because Jesus gave Him an incredible amount of Revelation Knowledge that became for the Believers : THE "NT Body of Christ : Church Doctrine".
This is why Paul wrote all the NT Church Doctrine, which is why most of the NT Epistles are written by Paul The Apostle.
This is why Peter said in 2nd Peter that Paul's Letters that he had, are ""SCRIPTURE."

Now....= To be "made free from sin" you have to understand THIS...

= 1.) You have to learn that all your sin was dealt with by Jesus, 2000 yrs ago and then you have to BELIEVE IT all the time......all the time.

Reader......All of your sin is gone, forgiven forever........if you are truly born again.
Its all gone, ... just like this as Paul teaches...>= """God hath made Jesus to BE SIN FOR US"""... as """the ONE TIME ETERNAL sacrifice for sin""".

Now look closely.......and notice that Paul is teaching the Believers that Holy God has given precious Jesus for all your sin, and that this OFFERING......is "ETERNAL" and COMPLETED 2000 yrs ago.

See that?
You must believe it.

You must come to realize and BELIEVE that God's """"one time eternal sin offering""" (Jesus on The Cross).... has dealt with all your sin, and this has been COMPLETED for us all, 2000 yrs ago.
So, if you are born again and not just water baptized and religious, then Jesus has not only paid for ALL your sin, but His body on The Cross, has... " become" them, ........and that is why He was SACRIFICED for you.
That is what is meant by.....>"dying for your sins".

Now Think..

Q.) Where do you eternally end up if Jesus has become all your sin, and has been JUDGED FOR THEM ALL, 2000 yrs ago. ?????????

A.) You end up as a SAINT.... as "the righteousness of God, in Christ". You end up as a "new Creation".... = You end up eternally : "redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb". = FOREVER.

You end up, as a eternal "heir of God"... and God will never again see your sin or hold you accoutable for them in eternity.
He can't hold the "blood bought" redeemed accountable for sin in eternity, and that is because He has already held Jesus accountable for them all and Jesus has been put to death for them all.
And why did i just put you in ETERNITY?
Its because you are in it already.......if you are "seated in Heavenly Places, in Christ".....and that is EVERY BORN AGAIN CHRISTian.
You are already in Eternity.......You are already IN The Kingdom of God... You are already THERE.
You're just waiting to go ......in your brand NEW Body. (Rapture).

Understand?

Now......Get this REVELATION........God does not hold you accountable or charge you for what Jesus has already RESOLVED, and that is ALL YOUR SIN.

Reader........That is what The CROSS of Christ has ETERNALLY accomplished for any and all BELIEVERS who are Born again.

Listen, ,.
= Jesus "became your sin".. and died........and When Jesus rose from the Dead........Your sin's didnt.

Understand.

All your sin is GONE...its all FORGIVEN for eternity.
Your sin debt before God Almighty, has been eternally PAID IN FULL by the precious BLOOD ATONEMENT...= that is the Blood Of Jesus.

And that is why God never again sees your sin, or you as a sinner...........never ever ever again.

Here is the mystical way to understand this reader..... and maybe some of you need this panoramic viewpoint...

A.) = When we want to see God's Salvation , we must Look Through The Cross of Christ to view it.....and when God views a Believer born again, He always eternally looks through the precious Blood of Christ to see you, me, us all.....

So.....That's God's eternal perspective regarding all His Born Again Redeemed Children.
God only sees you as eternally forgiven, and as a "made righteous" "New Creation IN CHRIST".
And once you get this same Mind about it, (the renewed mind) (God's Perspective).. as Paul's explans.. regarding what has happened to you, then once you do you will find that you are "made free" from sin, not by trying to be good, but by understanding PERFECTLY = who you have eternally become "IN CHRIST".

Paul then says of you.......that you are of the "same mind", and are now of these....

= "as many as be perfect".

Taken · May 3, 2026

Freedom : From Sin

Applies to the Forgiven Converted in Christ.

Glory to God,
Taken

Anchorite · May 3, 2026

Behold said:
Ive taught a lot of Christians in this world these "Salvation" basics that are necessary to receive so that the believer is able to "work out your salvation".. which simply means to understand it perfectly as GOD designed it to exist.

Behold said:
To "work out your Salvation" literally means that you come to understand it exactly as God understands how and why He gave it as a "GIFT".
The "GIFT of Salvation".

You have expressed some very edifying thoughts, but I think you have intellectualized what should be exercised, not just in mentality, but in real world actions, in godly behavior during our lives here in this world.

Understanding our salvation is important, but “working out” means expressing our salvation in practical ways, and does not mean just comprehending it deeply.

The phrase "work out your own salvation" in Philippians 2:12 comes from the Greek verb katergazomai(κατεργάζομαι), meaning to continually produce, achieve, or bring something to completion. It is a command to live out the salvation already received, rather than working to earn it.

Verse 13 explains this is possible because God is working in them, energizing His power inside them (energeō) to cause them to truly desire and accomplish what is His pleasure.

Philippians 2:13

for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

BEREAN STUDY BIBLE

work out your salvation

This phrase underscores the active role believers must take in their spiritual journey. Salvation is not a one-time event but a continuous process of sanctification. This aligns with the broader biblical teaching that salvation involves justification, sanctification, and glorification (Romans 8:30). The "working out" implies effort and perseverance in living a life that reflects one's faith and commitment to Christ.

Work out” means bringing the full implications of redemption into daily living, much like cultivating a garden whose seed God has already planted. We do not earn salvation; we exercise it. Paul himself testifies, “I worked harder… yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me” (1 Corinthians 15:10). Good works flow from saving faith (James 2:17).

with fear and trembling

The terms "fear and trembling" convey a sense of reverence and awe towards God. This is not a paralyzing fear but a recognition of God's holiness and the seriousness of the Christian walk. It is reminiscent of Proverbs 9:10, which states that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. This attitude ensures that believers approach their salvation with humility and a deep respect for God's authority and grace.

Behold · May 3, 2026

Anchorite said:
but in real world actions, in godly behavior during our lives here in this world.

Legalism is the controlling carnal mindset(a Stronghold in the mind) regarding all those who have replaced God's Grace with their self righteous religious idea of "godly behavior" to try to (earn) end up in Heaven after they die.

So, Legalism is the replacing of Christ's Blood that is all that God accepts to accept you @Anchorite ......with "godly behavior, or any behavior, as its all the same useless works, in God's perspective.

The core issue that the Legalist (Heretic) has,.. the "self saver" who is trying to stay saved, not by trusting in Christ, but by trying to perform "godly behavior".....is that they dont actually trust in Christ.
So they are going to be found as a fake believer, often water baptized, or they are a real believer who has "fallen from Grace"... as Paul teaches in Galatians.

A Heretic, christian or not, does not believe that Jesus keeps them Saved.
They believe that they keep themselves saved, by "godly behavior" or "doing good works" or "confessing sin"., or doing penance or chasing Mary with a Candle... or clinging to Moses Law and the 10 Commandments or any other SELF EFFORT they can put on their "how to get to heaven LIST" that they BELIEVE is REQUIRED for God to accept them.

God does not see it that way.
God only sees faith in Christ as the only Reason He'll give the BELIEVER, "imputed righteousness".
Jesus confirmes this in John 14:6.

Anchorite said:
“working out” means expressing our salvation in practical ways,

Working out your Salvaiton is first understanding that all the born again have it.. and its eteranal and its JESUS .
Jesus is Salvation.
Jesus is Eternal Life.
Jesus is God's Righteousness
Jesus is "The Gift of Salvation" whom God gives to every BELIEVER in Christ. And once they have it, (HIM)("Christ in you the Hope of Glory"... Once they have become "The Temple of the HOLY Spirit", and "Christ is THAT Spirit"".... then they are to turn to Paul's Doctrine and study and study , which means that the believer is to learn from Paul what it means to exist "IN CHRIST".
So, once that knowledge of the "simplicity of Christ" is gained then the believer has "worked it out"., and not until.
Paul teaches that once you have gained this REVELATION< then you have "put on the Helmet of Salvation" and you are not one of the "as many as be Perfect".

Notice carefully reader.......

When a person understands what it means to have been "made free from sin" having become "The RIGHTeous of God, IN CHRIST".. then they have worked it out.
Whereas a Heretic is trying to do it.....they are trying to perform for God as their idea of "being saved", which God rejects.

Something that is very important to learn about Salvation, is that God does not accept a sinner's good works to accept them initially, and God does not accept a Christian's good works to keep them saved eternally.

Anchorite · May 3, 2026

Behold said:
Legalism is the controlling carnal mindset(a Stronghold in the mind) regarding all those who have replaced God's Grace with their self righteous religious idea of "godly behavior" to try to (earn) end up in Heaven after they die.

Behold said:
They believe that they keep themselves saved, by "godly behavior" or "doing good works" or "confessing sin"…

Something that is very important to learn about Salvation, is that God does not accept a sinner's good works to accept them initially, and God does not accept a Christian's good works to keep them saved eternally.

Who said anything about good works keeping a person saved? Or godly behavior earning heaven? You know that I did not say that. So you are deliberately misrepresenting my statements.

I suppose you’re not used to being corrected when you’re in error.

Your brand of Christianity is head knowledge, intellectualized, mental, rather than actually living according to the scriptures, wherein we find many instructions.

You mislead people into thinking that all God requires is that they understand, rather than exhibit, righteousness.

We do not obey God’s commands to get or stay saved. We do it because we are saved.

James 1:22

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Ephesians 2:10

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

1 John 3

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Debp · May 4, 2026

Anchorite said:
Salvation is not a one-time event but a continuous process of sanctification.

Salvation is a one time event. However the process of sanctification is ongoing in our lives.

Behold · May 4, 2026

Anchorite said:
Who said anything about good works keeping a person saved? Or godly behavior earning heaven? You know that I did not say that. So you are deliberately misrepresenting my statements.

You did say it...
Well, i think you cut and pasted someone's teaching when you posted the comment following your "work out your salvation", and then you connect God's Salvation to "an active role that the believer must take", you stated.

See that?
That is you teaching works to stay saved...
That is you teaching LEGALISM.

But God's Salvation is not your "active participation" in anything., and you dont know this yet.

Listen up........God's Salvation is Jesus on The Cross, and THERE is your righteousness found... and that is not something you parrticipate in.... @Anchorite .

How do you know?
Its because Salvation was completed already by Jesus on the Cross, 2000 yrs ago, and you had no """actice participation" in it.

Do you realize it now, or do you want to tell us more about your works and your trying to "do righteousness" as you twist more of James's verse out of context...

Anchorite said:
Your brand of Christianity is head knowledge,

I dont have a "brand of Christianity".

What i teach is Pauline Theology.
Ive been teaching it longer then you've been trying to work your way to heaven by "doing righteousness"... @Anchorite .

And you can Google "Pauline Theology".... or Wikipedia it @Anchorite, so that you can then come back to my Thread and pretend you knew what it was, same as the other Legalists always do who come to my Threads.

Anchorite said:
You mislead people into thinking that all God requires is that they understand, rather than exhibit, righteousness.

What Paul teaches is that God's Righteousness is "imputed righteousness"., and this is a "GIFT" from God.

You are very confused about that, and do not understand that you have no righteousness, as "all have sinned and there is none righteous, no not one", and that verse is talking to YOU @Anchorite .

We get a few heretics here from time to time who are trying to prove they are "doing righteousness" to be rightous, and that is not possible, as Righteousness comes from God, and its received by Faith.. as its "The GIFT of Righteousness"... Paul teaches.

Listen carefully, to go to Heaven, you have to have God's Righteousness, and a sinner has none, and that is the problem you face as a Legalist.
The only solution to this problem, is God's Grace that offers through faith in Christ = "The Gift of Righteousess".
Thats the only way to get it... because this is the only way God offers it to a sinner like you @Anchorite .
And if you knew anything about this, which you've now proven that you don't.... you would not be trying to prove that this is something you DO., when in fact, the only way to possess God's Righteousness, is to receive it by faith., like this..

A.) "Abraham BELIEVED God, and it was counted to him (His faith) as RIGHTEOUSNESS.""""

The Apostle Paul teaches that verse, and he is explaining that the BELIEVER also receives the same "imputed righteousness" from God, or you have NONE.

So, that is what i teach., which is "Paul's Doctrine".

Anchorite said:
We do not obey God’s commands to get or stay saved. We do it because we are saved.

You left out Jesus's commandments, so why did you leave those out of your "works based salvation" false Gospel?

Anchorite said:
James 1:22

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Which word is that?
You forgot to tell us, because you dont know what it is...
But you can pretend......and there is always that GOOGLE search, and you'll be doing some of that to try to answer me, as Legalist like you always have to turn to Google because you can't turn to the bible for the answer.

Anchorite said:
Ephesians 2:10

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

My Thread has nothing to do with works., and your salvation as you are describing is, is built on a wrong understanding, and that is why you'll keep talking about works and commandments, because the Legalist has nothing else to talk about., other then their sin.

So, Try to stay on topic. @Anchorite .

Read my Thread's Title and see if you can stay on track.

Anchorite said:
1 John 3

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Doing Righteousness, is not a work you can do.
And you dont understand this yet, because you have no idea what "imputed righteousness" is, that you have to have, if you want to go to heaven.

We have another odd little legalist on this Forum... ."Episkapos" and he is always busy telling us that He is "doing righteousness",..to try to earn his way into God's Heaven.
He'll never make it that way, and that is because the road to hell is paved with "good works and self effort and water baptism".

See.... the only way you can "do" righteousness, is to have it, and then you are doing it because you have become "made righteous", by God.
This is not a work, its not a self effort, its a Eternal STATUS that belongs only to the born again who are '"Made Righteous".. Paul teaches.

Anchorite said:
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,

The spiritual realithy is.........that you are not "doing righteousnes" when you try to modify your behavior and resist sin.
You are not "doing righteousnes" when you try to be a good little boy.
You are not "doing righteousnes" when you try to "live right" and "be good".

Behold · May 4, 2026

Debp said:
Salvation is a one time event. However the process of sanctification is ongoing in our lives.

Jesus is our Sanctification

KJV : 1 Corin 1:30......just like He's our redemption and our justificaiton and propitiation, and our Salvation.

We cant become more righteous, then when we became when we initially received "the gift of Righteousmess", which is God's "imputed Righteousness".

So, now being made righteous by God's Gift........we start our walk of faith.......and that is our Discipleship, and that is life long..

Its also true that our Sanctification means we are "set apart" for God's use.

Now this all turns into Legalism, regarding someone, the very instant that they start to believe that they have to DO..........to try to stay saved.

What i find over the years is that all of this become a misunderstanding for the Believer, because they were not taught early on that their Discipleship is not their Salvation.......so, they start trying to be a Disciple, according to whatever rules and regulations they feel they must KEEP..........so that they maintain their Salvation.........and that is where it all goes wrong for them, theologically and spiritually.
As now they are trying to perform to stay saved, when in fact this can't be done.

Debp · May 4, 2026

Behold said:
Now this all turns into Legalism, regarding someone, the very instant that they start to believe that they have to DO..........to try to stay saved.

No we don't have to do works to keep salvation. However as we grow spiritually our lives will reflect that growth.

Behold · May 4, 2026

Anchorite said:
You mislead people into thinking that all God requires is that they understand,

Lets see if you can understand this @Anchorite ..

There is no work that you can do, that is "righteous"......and that is because "all our works are as a filthy rag" in God's Perspective.

Also, a Christian understands that......"its not by works, but its according to God's MERCY< that we are Saved".....= .by God.

See that?

Now, understanding that """"all our works are filthy"""" in God's perspective as compared to HIS Holiness, and understanding that "its not by our WORKS".. that God saves us or keeps us.......
So, now understanding that........is you do @Anchorite .......post for the members here who are reading what you are posting...just 5 of your "doing rightesousness"........ acts.

List for us......5 of your deeds or acts that are your supposedly : "doing righteousness"....when the BIBLE says that "all our WORKS are as a filthy rag ".... before God.

Post just 5 of your "doing righteousness".. @Anchorite ...........when the NT says that "its not by WORKS, but according to God's mercy that He saved us"...

Post any 5 of your "doing Righteousness" that you like to do, so that we can see what you are really doing...

Behold · May 4, 2026

Debp said:
No we don't have to do works to keep salvation. However as we grow spiritually our lives will reflect that growth.

Amen Good Sister.

And our spiritual growth is not found as : "trying to be more like Christ"......as that is ACTING a ROLE.

Spiritual Growth is "growth of/in the Spirit"....>>"its Spiritual Maturing"....and its produced by the Holy Spirit.... and that comes mostly from gaining spiritual enlightenment that becomes more and more for us, our walk of Discipleship.

Where do we get this never ending offer of Spiritual Enlightenment?

It mostly comes from Paul's Doctrine........as Jesus sent just this one Apostle to the BODY of Christ.......with the "church doctrine" that is our Spiritual Enlightenment.

See, the confused believer, always tries to substititue self effort in place of revelation knowledge.......so, they end up a baby christian, yet saved 50 yrs.
They end up saved 50 yrs, a carnal baby........and they are defined by the NT as a : Hebrews 6:1

They never grew in the Spirit....they only continued in their flesh to try to "be better"......and that is not Spiritual Growth, that is behavior modification.

Carnal believers try to do for themselves by WILLPOWER, what can only be manifested by The Spirit of God as real change of heart and mind and life.

The reality is.........Spiritual Enlightenment is our Growth in the Spirit..............and that is not something we try to DO. Its something that God reveals inside us, that is all Spiritual.

David Lamb · May 4, 2026

Debp said:
No we don't have to do works to keep salvation. However as we grow spiritually our lives will reflect that growth.

Not only so, but Ephesians 2:10 makes clear that good works should follow salvation:

(Eph 2:10 NKJV) For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Certainly we don't do good works in order to achieve or to keep salvation.

Lizbeth · May 4, 2026

Behold said:
Reader,

Ive posted a lot of teaching Threads on many "christian forums) that are strictly (Pauline Theology) regarding how to understand what it means to be "made free" from Sin, which is to become 'made free" "In Christ".
And this is a core teaching from Paul The Apostle's Church Doctrine, that is so deeply and earnestly and eternally connected to the utterly astounding finished work of Jesus on The Cross.
Ive taught a lot of Christians in this world these "Salvation" basics that are necessary to receive so that the believer is able to "work out your salvation".. which simply means to understand it perfectly as GOD designed it to exist.
To "work out your Salvation" literally means that you come to understand it exactly as God understands how and why He gave it as a "GIFT".
The "GIFT of Salvation".

So, let me now post some of Paul's doctrine again for you.....tho from a different vantage point..., as sometimes when we look at a NT Doctrine teaching from a different angle, we can see it more clearly in a different Light and we find ourselves : suddenly Enlightened.

Now what does it mean to have "freedom from sin"... or to be "made free from sin"?

And for many of you who will read this Thread the 1st time...... your 1st thought is.....>>"well, that means that i dont want to sin anymore" or....>"i have these areas of wrong desires inside me, and im able to keep them under control".. (most of the time).

See those, ?
They have nothing at all to do with being "made free from sin". ?
Nothing.

So, im going to make this really simple, and its not going to "sit right" in the mind of anyone who is trying to confess sin to keep from losing your salvation, or if you are someone who believes that "God saved me so that i can now go back and keep Moses's 613 LAWS".
And its also not going to "fit the theology" of anyone who has been wrongly taught by the MaryCult or similar, that "freedom from sin" means you "have it under control". "will power" !

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Now,
how are you to understand what it means to be "made free from sin".

A.) You are to understand it as Paul teaches it.,= because no one else in the NT understands it like He does, and that is because Jesus gave Him an incredible amount of Revelation Knowledge that became for the Believers : THE "NT Body of Christ : Church Doctrine".
This is why Paul wrote all the NT Church Doctrine, which is why most of the NT Epistles are written by Paul The Apostle.
This is why Peter said in 2nd Peter that Paul's Letters that he had, are ""SCRIPTURE."

Now....= To be "made free from sin" you have to understand THIS...

= 1.) You have to learn that all your sin was dealt with by Jesus, 2000 yrs ago and then you have to BELIEVE IT all the time......all the time.

Reader......All of your sin is gone, forgiven forever........if you are truly born again.
Its all gone, ... just like this as Paul teaches...>= """God hath made Jesus to BE SIN FOR US"""... as """the ONE TIME ETERNAL sacrifice for sin""".

Now look closely.......and notice that Paul is teaching the Believers that Holy God has given precious Jesus for all your sin, and that this OFFERING......is "ETERNAL" and COMPLETED 2000 yrs ago.

See that?
You must believe it.

You must come to realize and BELIEVE that God's """"one time eternal sin offering""" (Jesus on The Cross).... has dealt with all your sin, and this has been COMPLETED for us all, 2000 yrs ago.
So, if you are born again and not just water baptized and religious, then Jesus has not only paid for ALL your sin, but His body on The Cross, has... " become" them, ........and that is why He was SACRIFICED for you.
That is what is meant by.....>"dying for your sins".

Now Think..

Q.) Where do you eternally end up if Jesus has become all your sin, and has been JUDGED FOR THEM ALL, 2000 yrs ago. ?????????

A.) You end up as a SAINT.... as "the righteousness of God, in Christ". You end up as a "new Creation".... = You end up eternally : "redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb". = FOREVER.

You end up, as a eternal "heir of God"... and God will never again see your sin or hold you accoutable for them in eternity.
He can't hold the "blood bought" redeemed accountable for sin in eternity, and that is because He has already held Jesus accountable for them all and Jesus has been put to death for them all.
And why did i just put you in ETERNITY?
Its because you are in it already.......if you are "seated in Heavenly Places, in Christ".....and that is EVERY BORN AGAIN CHRISTian.
You are already in Eternity.......You are already IN The Kingdom of God... You are already THERE.
You're just waiting to go ......in your brand NEW Body. (Rapture).

Understand?

Now......Get this REVELATION........God does not hold you accountable or charge you for what Jesus has already RESOLVED, and that is ALL YOUR SIN.

Reader........That is what The CROSS of Christ has ETERNALLY accomplished for any and all BELIEVERS who are Born again.

Listen, ,.
= Jesus "became your sin".. and died........and When Jesus rose from the Dead........Your sin's didnt.

Understand.

All your sin is GONE...its all FORGIVEN for eternity.
Your sin debt before God Almighty, has been eternally PAID IN FULL by the precious BLOOD ATONEMENT...= that is the Blood Of Jesus.

And that is why God never again sees your sin, or you as a sinner...........never ever ever again.

Here is the mystical way to understand this reader..... and maybe some of you need this panoramic viewpoint...

A.) = When we want to see God's Salvation , we must Look Through The Cross of Christ to view it.....and when God views a Believer born again, He always eternally looks through the precious Blood of Christ to see you, me, us all.....

So.....That's God's eternal perspective regarding all His Born Again Redeemed Children.
God only sees you as eternally forgiven, and as a "made righteous" "New Creation IN CHRIST".
And once you get this same Mind about it, (the renewed mind) (God's Perspective).. as Paul's explans.. regarding what has happened to you, then once you do you will find that you are "made free" from sin, not by trying to be good, but by understanding PERFECTLY = who you have eternally become "IN CHRIST".

Paul then says of you.......that you are of the "same mind", and are now of these....

= "as many as be perfect".

I look at it that it is our new man that has been made free from sin.............but we are still contending with the old man until it is entirely put under our/Christ's feet. That is the reason for the chastisements of those who God loves as sons...ultimately that we may partake of His holiness. The flesh lusteth against the Spirit and the Spirit also lustesth against the flesh. In order that we bring fruit to perfection.

Lizbeth · May 4, 2026

Behold said:
Jesus is our Sanctification

KJV : 1 Corin 1:30......just like He's our redemption and our justificaiton and propitiation, and our Salvation.

We cant become more righteous, then when we became when we initially received "the gift of Righteousmess", which is God's "imputed Righteousness".

So, now being made righteous by God's Gift........we start our walk of faith.......and that is our Discipleship, and that is life long..

Its also true that our Sanctification means we are "set apart" for God's use.

Now this all turns into Legalism, regarding someone, the very instant that they start to believe that they have to DO..........to try to stay saved.

What i find over the years is that all of this become a misunderstanding for the Believer, because they were not taught early on that their Discipleship is not their Salvation.......so, they start trying to be a Disciple, according to whatever rules and regulations they feel they must KEEP..........so that they maintain their Salvation.........and that is where it all goes wrong for them, theologically and spiritually.
As now they are trying to perform to stay saved, when in fact this can't be done.

I think there is a danger of calling the entire new testament of instruction, exhortation and warnings legalistic. Yes, we begin our walk of faith...........but having laid the foundation we are to go on to perfection. So apparently there is a sense in which we aren't "perfect" yet when we first start out. And as we are told to run the race so as to win it.....apparently we haven't won it yet.

amigo de christo · May 4, 2026

Anchorite said:
You have expressed some very edifying thoughts, but I think you have intellectualized what should be exercised, not just in mentality, but in real world actions, in godly behavior during our lives here in this world.

Understanding our salvation is important, but “working out” means expressing our salvation in practical ways, and does not mean just comprehending it deeply.

The phrase "work out your own salvation" in Philippians 2:12 comes from the Greek verb katergazomai(κατεργάζομαι), meaning to continually produce, achieve, or bring something to completion. It is a command to live out the salvation already received, rather than working to earn it.

Verse 13 explains this is possible because God is working in them, energizing His power inside them (energeō) to cause them to truly desire and accomplish what is His pleasure.

Philippians 2:13

for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

BEREAN STUDY BIBLE

work out your salvation

This phrase underscores the active role believers must take in their spiritual journey. Salvation is not a one-time event but a continuous process of sanctification. This aligns with the broader biblical teaching that salvation involves justification, sanctification, and glorification (Romans 8:30). The "working out" implies effort and perseverance in living a life that reflects one's faith and commitment to Christ.

Work out” means bringing the full implications of redemption into daily living, much like cultivating a garden whose seed God has already planted. We do not earn salvation; we exercise it. Paul himself testifies, “I worked harder… yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me” (1 Corinthians 15:10). Good works flow from saving faith (James 2:17).

with fear and trembling

The terms "fear and trembling" convey a sense of reverence and awe towards God. This is not a paralyzing fear but a recognition of God's holiness and the seriousness of the Christian walk. It is reminiscent of Proverbs 9:10, which states that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. This attitude ensures that believers approach their salvation with humility and a deep respect for God's authority and grace.

What many have done is act like reminding the church to continue to the end means one is not trusting in JESUS .
KINDA ODD , HE SAID IT FIRST and later them apostels confirmed it .
What many have done is when one , who by the SPIRIT exhorts the church to do good and not evil
to remind them that we cannot be partakers and supporters of their sin ,
IS legalism . WHEN one tries to rebuke them and warn them dont you know
the ungodly will NOT inherit the kingdom . Again they behave as though this is legalism and n ot trusting in JESUS .
Yet JESUS HIMSELF warns NOT TO SIN .
As did all them apostels later on . AND might i also mention the message to the seven churches and those
dire warnings of BEWARE .
If one tries even to name the name of false teachers they get told JUDGE NOT .
YET EVEN GOD severely rebuked a church for simply ALLOWING a false prophetess TO teach and seduce his people .
MANY have no idea what has long occured within christendom .
All they know is a phrase that says GOD IS LOVE but neither GOD or HIS LOVE .
And if one finds that difficult or hard to beleive . THEN walk into anyone of these ecumeincal diverse tolerance
lovey do churches .
WHEN you do it might look wonderful at first , BUT pick up a bible
and read the very words of GOD to them . Beware cause when you touch certain sins
THEY GONNA CAST YOU and THAT BIBLE RIGHT OUT of the church with the phrase AWAY with you hater
CAUSE GOD IS LOVE . kinda odd huh . OH I KNOW GOD IS LOVE
but HIS LOVE REJOICES IN THE TRUTH , NOT IN INQUITY as their does .
HIS LOVE does not love a lie , b ut theirs does .
IN fact IF ANY has and had the love of GOD shed upon their hearts by the HOLY GHOST
THAT LOVE HAD PUT GOD , HIS CHRIST FIRST above all , more than mother , father , son , daughter , wife
husband and THEN by that love they had known HOW to love thy neighbor .
LOOK at their love real closely .
What does it say every time one comes to correct sin and error in their church or to them .
THEY SAY JUDGE NOT , Just hug , shut up , say nothing and just love them to God .
ODD .
THE VERY WORD OF GOD would call that HATE .
AS it is written . YOU shall NOT hate your neighbor in your heart you shall in any way CORECT HIM
and NOT ALLOW sin upon him . BUT THEY CALL THOSE WHO DO correct sin , haters . Not looking good at all my friend .

Soyeong · May 4, 2026

Behold said:
Reader,

Ive posted a lot of teaching Threads on many "christian forums) that are strictly (Pauline Theology) regarding how to understand what it means to be "made free" from Sin, which is to become 'made free" "In Christ".
And this is a core teaching from Paul The Apostle's Church Doctrine, that is so deeply and earnestly and eternally connected to the utterly astounding finished work of Jesus on The Cross.
Ive taught a lot of Christians in this world these "Salvation" basics that are necessary to receive so that the believer is able to "work out your salvation".. which simply means to understand it perfectly as GOD designed it to exist.
To "work out your Salvation" literally means that you come to understand it exactly as God understands how and why He gave it as a "GIFT".
The "GIFT of Salvation".

So, let me now post some of Paul's doctrine again for you.....tho from a different vantage point..., as sometimes when we look at a NT Doctrine teaching from a different angle, we can see it more clearly in a different Light and we find ourselves : suddenly Enlightened.

Now what does it mean to have "freedom from sin"... or to be "made free from sin"?

And for many of you who will read this Thread the 1st time...... your 1st thought is.....>>"well, that means that i dont want to sin anymore" or....>"i have these areas of wrong desires inside me, and im able to keep them under control".. (most of the time).

See those, ?
They have nothing at all to do with being "made free from sin". ?
Nothing.

So, im going to make this really simple, and its not going to "sit right" in the mind of anyone who is trying to confess sin to keep from losing your salvation, or if you are someone who believes that "God saved me so that i can now go back and keep Moses's 613 LAWS".
And its also not going to "fit the theology" of anyone who has been wrongly taught by the MaryCult or similar, that "freedom from sin" means you "have it under control". "will power" !

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Now,
how are you to understand what it means to be "made free from sin".

A.) You are to understand it as Paul teaches it.,= because no one else in the NT understands it like He does, and that is because Jesus gave Him an incredible amount of Revelation Knowledge that became for the Believers : THE "NT Body of Christ : Church Doctrine".
This is why Paul wrote all the NT Church Doctrine, which is why most of the NT Epistles are written by Paul The Apostle.
This is why Peter said in 2nd Peter that Paul's Letters that he had, are ""SCRIPTURE."

Now....= To be "made free from sin" you have to understand THIS...

= 1.) You have to learn that all your sin was dealt with by Jesus, 2000 yrs ago and then you have to BELIEVE IT all the time......all the time.

Reader......All of your sin is gone, forgiven forever........if you are truly born again.
Its all gone, ... just like this as Paul teaches...>= """God hath made Jesus to BE SIN FOR US"""... as """the ONE TIME ETERNAL sacrifice for sin""".

Now look closely.......and notice that Paul is teaching the Believers that Holy God has given precious Jesus for all your sin, and that this OFFERING......is "ETERNAL" and COMPLETED 2000 yrs ago.

See that?
You must believe it.

You must come to realize and BELIEVE that God's """"one time eternal sin offering""" (Jesus on The Cross).... has dealt with all your sin, and this has been COMPLETED for us all, 2000 yrs ago.
So, if you are born again and not just water baptized and religious, then Jesus has not only paid for ALL your sin, but His body on The Cross, has... " become" them, ........and that is why He was SACRIFICED for you.
That is what is meant by.....>"dying for your sins".

Now Think..

Q.) Where do you eternally end up if Jesus has become all your sin, and has been JUDGED FOR THEM ALL, 2000 yrs ago. ?????????

A.) You end up as a SAINT.... as "the righteousness of God, in Christ". You end up as a "new Creation".... = You end up eternally : "redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb". = FOREVER.

You end up, as a eternal "heir of God"... and God will never again see your sin or hold you accoutable for them in eternity.
He can't hold the "blood bought" redeemed accountable for sin in eternity, and that is because He has already held Jesus accountable for them all and Jesus has been put to death for them all.
And why did i just put you in ETERNITY?
Its because you are in it already.......if you are "seated in Heavenly Places, in Christ".....and that is EVERY BORN AGAIN CHRISTian.
You are already in Eternity.......You are already IN The Kingdom of God... You are already THERE.
You're just waiting to go ......in your brand NEW Body. (Rapture).

Understand?

Now......Get this REVELATION........God does not hold you accountable or charge you for what Jesus has already RESOLVED, and that is ALL YOUR SIN.

Reader........That is what The CROSS of Christ has ETERNALLY accomplished for any and all BELIEVERS who are Born again.

Listen, ,.
= Jesus "became your sin".. and died........and When Jesus rose from the Dead........Your sin's didnt.

Understand.

All your sin is GONE...its all FORGIVEN for eternity.
Your sin debt before God Almighty, has been eternally PAID IN FULL by the precious BLOOD ATONEMENT...= that is the Blood Of Jesus.

And that is why God never again sees your sin, or you as a sinner...........never ever ever again.

Here is the mystical way to understand this reader..... and maybe some of you need this panoramic viewpoint...

A.) = When we want to see God's Salvation , we must Look Through The Cross of Christ to view it.....and when God views a Believer born again, He always eternally looks through the precious Blood of Christ to see you, me, us all.....

So.....That's God's eternal perspective regarding all His Born Again Redeemed Children.
God only sees you as eternally forgiven, and as a "made righteous" "New Creation IN CHRIST".
And once you get this same Mind about it, (the renewed mind) (God's Perspective).. as Paul's explans.. regarding what has happened to you, then once you do you will find that you are "made free" from sin, not by trying to be good, but by understanding PERFECTLY = who you have eternally become "IN CHRIST".

Paul then says of you.......that you are of the "same mind", and are now of these....

= "as many as be perfect".

Sin is the transgression of the Law of God (1 John 3:4), so Jesus frees us from having sinned by paying the penalty for our sin and he is freeing us from continuing to live in sin by graciously leading us to be a doer of good works in obedience to the Law of God, which is what he accomplished through the cross (Titus 2:14).

amigo de christo · May 4, 2026

Lizbeth said:
I think there is a danger of calling the entire new testament of instruction, exhortation and warnings legalistic. Yes, we begin our walk of faith...........but having laid the foundation we are to go on to perfection. So apparently there is a sense in which we aren't "perfect" yet when we first start out. And as we are told to run the race so as to win it.....apparently we haven't won it yet.

WHEN one calleth the very words and warnings of JESUS legalism
WE GOTS A SERIOUS delusion going on in that house .
In fact what we have is another man pleasing , ear tickling , lust satisying jesus , WHICH IS NO JESUS THE CHRIST .
WHY do you THINK so many sit under
a version of jesus that of ten will contradict things JESUS said and later even the apostels said .
Sounds to me like many LOVE NOT GOD , have not THE LOVE OF GOD upon their hearts .
What many seem to have is
A golden bull , an idol of what THEY see as GOD , what they Believe is CHRIST . and thus
they dance to that one . didnt work out too good for israel who danced about a golden bull .
Who had said what has become of this moses , he has been gone a long time , come too and let us MAKE US a god .
SOUNDS Like
What many have done to the TRUE JESUS . We know not what has become of that one
he has been gone a long time , come to and let us mold us an inclusive god that all can serve and be as one with .
WELL it aint gonna bode well for that on the DAY of the LORD .

Behold · May 4, 2026

David Lamb said:
esus frees us from having sinned by paying the penalty for our sin and he is freeing us from continuing to live in sin by graciously leading us to be a doer of good works in obedience to the Law of God,

When you try to connect the Law to God's Salvation, then you are literally denying God's "Gift of Salvation".

The only connection that Moses 613 Laws and the 10 Commandments have to Salvation, is that the Law and Commandments show you your guilty sinning before God, so that you then turn to Jesus on THE Cross for Deliverance and Salvation.

See, there is Moses's Law, and there is God's Grace.
These are not the same.
So, the Christian is not to chase "the law".....because the Law (Moses law) can only DEFINE YOU as "guilty before God"... as Paul teaches in Romans 3:21-28.

So, let me explain some of this for the Readers.. and let me also tell you that if you are going to learn some bible, then Learning Romans 3:21-28, is a MUST DO.

1.) The law, which is MOSES Law......= when we try to keep it, energizes what Paul has defined for us as our "old man of sin".

Thd way to understand "the Law".....is simply ......A.) what are you trying to do by self effort to save yourself or keep yourself saved, is the Law unto you.

So, the curse of the law, is that it causes our "old man" to want to sin.
Therefore we must be made free from this "curse of the law", or it will comtinue to enflame our "old man" and this causes a revival of sinful desire within the Christian.

2.) Now, if we want freedom from sin, we have to be made free from the law, as otherwise the Law continues to inflame our "Old man", while it defines us as a sinner .

Christ is the eternal solution to this issue, that Paul defined in Romans 7 as : "that which i hate i do, and that which i want to do, i can't"......as that is the power of the LAW to cause this situation.
Paul is showing us what happens when we try to keep the law in our self righteous effort to be accepted by God = TOTAL Continual FAIL.

3.) Paul then teaches......."Who shall deliver me from this "......and then He explains the answer.....=that by being "In Christ"... there is "NOW no condemnation"......and that means that because ""Christ is the END OF THE LAW, for Righteousness""... and"""Christ has redeemed us from the CURSE of the LAW"......then we are made free from the Law that is the "power of sin".

Now let me show you the issue that most Chrisitans have , and that is, they are trying to keep the law believing that God will accept them and keep them if they do that.. However, the Law empowers their sinning because that is what it does.. to them........to everyone.
So, the more they try to be good which is really just putting themselves under the Law.....then the more the power of sin is THE LAWl causes them to want to sin MORE/

See that vicious cycle?

4.) Most Christians are trying to keep what God has supplied as "the Law", that is specifically designed to "make the world guilty before God'..

See their problem?

5.) And then the Devil comes along and teaches them that God's Grace that is their save haven, that is their deliverence, is really just a "licence to sin".
So, once they believe that LIE, then there is no way they are going to be able to receive any revelations about being "made free from sin"......So, they end up lifelong trapped by the Law, under condemnation, trying to stay saved, and that is their broken faith, and their broken Christianity.
They are still saved.....but they are completely gone.....they are stuck in that vicious cycle and there is no hope found there, only condemnation and bitter striving, and total self righteousness.

PS95 · May 4, 2026

Behold- I just wish that you would teach all that Paul taught so you could see he does not disagree with the other apostles.
Let me just ask you this-
If a man claims Jesus is his Savior- "saved"-- and he claims he is homosexual and practicing it with several men because after all- there is no law- and all of his sins are washed.
How would you counsel him?

Behold · May 4, 2026

PS95 said:
Behold- I just wish that you would teach all that Paul taught so you could see he does not disagree with the other apostles.

Perhaps if you were a bit wider in your thinking, regarding your posted comment....then you might comprehend that its impossible to teach all of Paul's Doctrine, in a single Thread's Topic.
He has ALL the Church Doctrine, as found in his 13 Epistles, and the "part about Salvation" is only a part.

See, you really dont know what you are talking about @PS95 , as if you did, then you'd know that 10 yrs after Peter preached in Acts 2.......He still didnt know that GENTILES could be SAVED......so, God had to show him in a vision.......(Acts 10)....
So, if you knew this, then you'd know that Paul who is the "gentile apostle" certainly didnt agree with Peter's lack of understanding regarding God's offer of Salvation to the GENTILES.

So, what IS possible for me to do here, on the Forum, and what is needful, is to lay the basics......pour the doctrinal foundation.....instruct the Believers according to the basic principals of Paul's Soteriology (Salvation) teaching.......so that once this is truly found in them as their FAITH, then the rest of Paul's Theology may be understood by them, as well.
But until this happens.......until they receive the "first principles" of Paul's Core Doctrine by revelation, then there is no reason to go beyond "the simplicity in Christ", within so many of my Threads.

And @PS95 .......if you truly understood this, then you'd be on YOUR THREAD teaching it, instead of coming to mine to do nothing more then offer carnal false analysis and carnal false innuendo.

Thats your reality, and ive "seen that movie too"....fella.
Believe it.

PS95 said:
Let me just ask you this-
If a man claims Jesus is his Savior- "saved"-- and he claims he is homosexual and practicing it with several men because after all- there is no law- and all of his sins are washed.
How would you counsel him?

Are you that person?

So, regarding a "practicing" sodomite.......who claims to be a Christian.....

Billy Graham had an answer for that.......as He was asked......>"What if your (Son-Daughter) told you they were Gay""
His answer is profound...........BG said.......>"i love that one more".

See, the answer to your question, is not to bolt the door and hide the children ... (not necessarily) .
So, what i would do with you, or with any "alt sex lifestyle" .... supposed "christian" is find out first of all if you are really born again , or just religious but lost, and able to quote more verses that you actually dont understand at all.
Lot of that "type" found on "christian forums".
Id find out if you're born again, as there is ample evidence that if a "christian" person is a practicing LIFESTYLE sinner, then in fact they are not truly born again.
= They are religious, and they can speak "christian-eze",, and they can live on Forums and post endless verses out of context always hoping for endless arguing... but they are not redeemed by Jesus's Blood yet.

So, we need to get that resolved, and then God will help them OUT of their immoral lifestyle.....and that can take some time.

If you want to know if i would allow a known practicing Homosexual into the congregation..... then i just explained to you how they can qualify for that opportunity. @PS95

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