The Beast Revelation

David in NJ said:

The 70th Week BEGAN with the 1st Coming of CHRIST = 3.5 years

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No, it did not.

The 69th week of the Daniel 9 prophecy ended with Christ's crucifixion. So let's see, Jesus Christ was crucified at the start... of His Ministry, or at the end... of His Ministry? Duh.... the answer is simple per The Bible as written, Jesus was crucified at the END of His Ministry!

Why then are you following a falsehood that you well know is not true? Who do you really... represent? Can't be The Bible, because The Bible shows Christ's Ministry ended with the end of the 69th week, leaving the final 70th "one week" still yet unfulfilled.

Davy said:

No, it did not.

The 69th week of the Daniel 9 prophecy ended with Christ's crucifixion. So let's see, Jesus Christ was crucified at the start... of His Ministry, or at the end... of His Ministry? Duh.... the answer is simple per The Bible as written, Jesus was crucified at the END of His Ministry!

Why then are you following a falsehood that you well know is not true? Who do you really... represent? Can't be The Bible, because The Bible shows Christ's Ministry ended with the end of the 69th week, leaving the final 70th "one week" still yet unfulfilled.

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Christ was cruicified AFTER the 69th week

24“Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.
25“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.
26“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

David in NJ said:

Christ was cruicified AFTER the 69th week

24“Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.
25“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.
26“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

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After............ means after completion of the 69th week.

The TYPE of events... that take place in the 70th week, the symbolic "one week" of Daniel 9:27, reveal the working of the coming ANTICHRIST at the END of this world.

This is why the 70th week is about the placing of the "abomination of desolation" in the JEW'S coming 3rd temple in Jerusalem at the end of this world, WHICH JESUS WARNED ABOUT IN HIS OLIVET DISCOURSE....

Matt 24:15-21
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
KJV

Jesus made that EASY to understand, so there is NO EXCUSE for wrongly claiming He fulfilled that at His 1st coming with the 70th week. You are following a FALSE DOCTRINE not written in The Bible.

Bladerunner asked:
<you think we are in Daniel's 70th week?>

I think there is a time period of seventy "sevens." Jesus came on the 69th seven, but we killed him, hence one more seven remains.

"Seven" = "seven years," where "year" = 360 days.

The focus will be on Israel and the Middle East, nothing elsewhere.

Davy said:

After............ means after completion of the 69th week.

The TYPE of events... that take place in the 70th week, the symbolic "one week" of Daniel 9:27, reveal the working of the coming ANTICHRIST at the END of this world.

This is why the 70th week is about the placing of the "abomination of desolation" in the JEW'S coming 3rd temple in Jerusalem at the end of this world, WHICH JESUS WARNED ABOUT IN HIS OLIVET DISCOURSE....

Matt 24:15-21
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
KJV

Jesus made that EASY to understand, so there is NO EXCUSE for wrongly claiming He fulfilled that at His 1st coming with the 70th week. You are following a FALSE DOCTRINE not written in The Bible.

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The Holy Scriptures are His Children's Book = easy reading & comprehension for Holy Spirit led Children

MESSIAH is "cut-off"/crucified AFTER the completion of the 69th week

70 weeks are DETERMINED to bring in EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS = not 69

IMO:

o Satan currently roams the earth (1Peter 5.8).

o Satan will be confined within the earth at the return of Jesus (Revelation 20:1-3).

o Satan will be briefly released at the end of the millennial reign of Jesus (Revelation 20:3).

o Satan will then be thrown into a fiery place within the earth, some time after the end of the millennial reign (Revelation 20:7-10).

Summary:
o Satan rebelled in heaven.
o Satan was therefore thrown to earth.
o Satan tempted Eve to sin.
o Satan killed Jesus.
o Satan thereby condemned himself and paid our penalty.

William Barton said:

Summary:
o Satan rebelled in heaven.
o Satan was therefore thrown to earth.
o Satan tempted Eve to sin.
o Satan killed Jesus.

o Satan thereby condemned himself and paid our penalty.​

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Wrong. Jesus paid our penalty.

Isaiah 53

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

William Barton said:

IMO:

o Satan currently roams the earth (1Peter 5.8).

o Satan will be confined within the earth at the return of Jesus (Revelation 20:1-3).

o Satan will be briefly released at the end of the millennial reign of Jesus (Revelation 20:3).

o Satan will then be thrown into a fiery place within the earth, some time after the end of the millennial reign (Revelation 20:7-10).

Summary:
o Satan rebelled in heaven.
o Satan was therefore thrown to earth.
o Satan tempted Eve to sin.
o Satan killed Jesus.
o Satan thereby condemned himself and paid our penalty.

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SIN can NEVER be removed by SIN

Anchorite said:

Wrong. Jesus paid our penalty.

Isaiah 53

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

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He must of added the summary AFTER i gave a 'like' to the first four points BEFORE the summary!

Anchorage noted:
<Wrong. Jesus paid our penalty.>

True, but check out 1Corinthians 2:8. Jesus offered his own life to God the Father, in place of our lives.

Marilyn C said:

Daniel`s 70th week is chastisement for Israel.

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No, Daniel's 70th week is the 7yr tribulations for Israel and the whole world...2/3 of their population will die during this time. During the scrolls Judgements, 1/4 of the earth's population will die. The trumpet Judgments another 1/3 of the people of earth will die. By the time it gets to the Bowls/vials judements, over one half of the earth's population will have already died. The bowls will claim almost all of the rest to include everything living in the oceans, seas etc. It will not be a good time to be alive or dead.

Bladerunner said:

you think we are in Daniel's 70th week????

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No we are NOT in Daniel's Week yet.

David in NJ said:

The 70th Week began with the 1st Coming of CHRIST

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No Daniel's 70th week is not the 1st coming of Christ, 4BC to 32 AD...2000 years later, we are in the last days and Daniel's 70th week is close at hand.

Davy said:

Getting ready to start.

The final 70th week of Daniel 9 is about the final 7 years of this present world culminating in Christ's 2nd coming on the last day.

When it is time to end all wars, then the actual Antichrist-falseMessiah will show up in Jerusalem and make a covenant for building the 3rd temple and starting up sacrifices again (i.e., old covenant worship by the Jews). In the middle of that 7 years, that false one will end sacrificial worship and instead proclaim himself as God over all that is called God, or that is worshiped.

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It will not end all wars until over 1/4 of the population of earth are destroyed.

Bladerunner said:

It will not end all wars until over 1/4 of the population of earth are destroyed.

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You are obviously referring to the 4th Seal of Revelation 6.

Rev 6:7-8
7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, "Come and see."
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
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All out killing is not what that is about. Context is especially everything in Christ's Book of Revelation. He is using strong..... symbols to portray what the locust army of the Book of Joel and Revelation 9 will do in prep for the "great tribulation". And in Revelation 9 we are told those locusts are not allowed to hurt any... green thing... but only sting men NOT sealed with God's Seal for "five months", and cannot kill them, but only sting them. The whole idea is about DECEPTION, because later in that Revelation 9 Chapter we are told their 'power' is in their MOUTHS. What comes out of one's mouth? Words. And in the case of the locust army, it is LIES to cause DECEPTION. They represent the servants of Satan who are behind setting up today's New World Order, or "one world government", which will be the beast kingdom described in Revelation 13, ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns. So you should have noticed that God is behind President Trump's goal to end all the wars going on in today's world, and instead setup of a time peace and safety for all peoples.

DECEPTION is the main battlefield at the end of this world, not war and killing.

The events of the 5th Seal will be... a literal physical attack upon Christ's "very elect", because like Jesus showed in Matthew 24:23-26, His "very elect" cannot be deceived at the end. And the devil knows this, so those are who the devil will go after. The devil will not bother the deceived, for he will already have them in his pocket. He will take care of the deceived, pay off all their debt, provide peace and safety for them, etc.

<No, Daniel's 70th week is the 7yr tribulations for Israel and the whole world...2/3 of their population will die during this time.>

There was no concept or of plant earth in Biblical times.

Bladerunner said:

No Daniel's 70th week is not the 1st coming of Christ, 4BC to 32 AD...2000 years later, we are in the last days and

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You could not be SAVED if Christ was not cruicified in the 70th week.

No one can have Salvation/Christ apart from Him being crucified in the 70th week.

Daniel's 70th week is close at hand.

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The END of the 70th week is the 2nd Coming of Christ.

Before the 2nd Coming comes the Antichrist = Matt ch24 & 2nd Thessalonians

Marilyn C said:

Daniel`s 70th week ( 7 years) is Israel chastisement while the tribulation is God`s wrath against the rebellious and goes for 6. 11 months. (Matt. 24: 21 & 22)

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Not trying to mock you, but I have to explain a difference than what you have above.

The actual "great tribulation" time is only for the latter half of the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week" (7 years, the 70th week). It is to be 1260 days.

The 1st half of the symbolic "one week" will be a time of 1260 days when the 3rd temple is built in Jerusalem and old covenant worship started up again by the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem.

In the middle of that "one week", the coming false-Messiah will end those sacrifices in Jerusalem and instead place the "abomination of desolation" idol in false worship instead, i.e., the "image of the beast" of Rev.13.

But per Matthew 24:21-22, Jesus said He shortened that time of "great tribulation" for His elect's sake. So the latter half of the "one week" is no longer 1260 days, but has been shortened. Revelation 9 with the time of 'stinging' upon those NOT sealed with God's Seal is to be for "five months". That represents the new shortened time of the latter half of Daniel's symbolic "one week". That stinging represents the symbolic locust's attack upon the souls of the deceived by what comes out of their mouths, for their power is in their mouths. Thus the killing is symbolic of deception to the wrong Messiah, not about the flesh, but about the death of the soul, which is much, much more serious.

Anchorite said:

Wrong. Jesus paid our penalty.

Isaiah 53

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

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Anchorite noted: "laid on him the iniquity."

IMO:

Satan entered into Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Jesus, who was slain by the Romans at the behest of Pilate. Hence the players here include:

o Satan
o Judas
o Pilate
o Roman executioners
o Everyone of us (since all sinned in Adam, Romans 5:15)
o Anchorite (since he is one of us)
o God the Father, ordaining all things, including our sins (Isaiah 53:1)

See Romans 9:19-29.