The TRUTH About Ukraine & Russia

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ScottAU

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The reason that there were only about 40 people on those buses was simply because the UAF did not inform the people that there were buses also sent from Donetsk. The 40 people found them by accident.

I am not sure where you get your information to make the claim that the UAF didn't release the civilians.


As for deliberately shooting the civilians I highly doubt it. Most of those in Debaltsevo were conscripts and they are not there to massacre civilians. Generally the civilians that are dying are a result of indiscriminate shelling from both sides. The Ukrainian side obviously has the intent to destroy infrastructure as well which is why they also shell non militaryt targets.

I did not see any reports on the deliberate execution of civilians by the UAF. Provide a source if such a thing is true.
 
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I listen to interview residents of the Russian journalists were in places of events.
I participate in forums where there are participants who have friends and relatives there and they talk about the reality that almost misses the Western media.

could find this interview (I didn't save the link) again, but all these reports and the testimony of local residents in the Russian language; for members of this forum doesn't get it.
 

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Andrey son of Lion said:
I listen to interview residents of the Russian journalists were in places of events.
I participate in forums where there are participants who have friends and relatives there and they talk about the reality that almost misses the Western media.

could find this interview (I didn't save the link) again, but all these reports and the testimony of local residents in the Russian language; for members of this forum doesn't get it.
Care to provide links to these sources? Which forums?
 

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Google "Veterans today" website, or Henry Makow website...and see what the power struggle over the Ukraine is all about...it's about globalization of the planet under one leadership...Ukraine is a valuable piece of real estate
for USA/Nato next door to Russia, and it is valuable to Russia for this reason also.
 
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ScottAU said:
Care to provide links to these sources? Which forums?
This is forum Слово (Word) in Russian Language. There is a very large theme about Ukraine, some of members from Ukraine and Donbass gave links. Also I saw reportages on TV from places of events, where evidents tell about unlaw of Ukrainian army.
Mayby, soon I try i find. Now I can sit by computer for a short time, because I was a little hurt when I crosswalk hit by a car. Back pain, shoulder, sometimes dizzy.

Yesterday came more terrible news: the famous Ukrainian journalists killed Oles Buzina and Olga Moroz. They were Ukrainian patriots, but stood for friendship with Russia and criticized the new Ukrainian government. Were made shot in the head.
http://news.rin.ru/eng/news///104446/

Before that, there were several suicide Ukrainian deputies and high officials.
Or the new government has put them in such conditions that they found no other way out, or was it murder issued for suicide.
 
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Almost at the same time killed in Kiev killed journalist Sergei Sukhobok and politician Oleg Kalashnikov.
Responsibility assumed Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists.

Assistant Ukrainian Interior Minister Anton Gerashchenko on your page website advertises the site " Миротворец (Peacemaker)", which publishes the names, photos, addresses of people disliked the Kiev authorities. Names of those killed were published there for a few days before the killings.
Now this site posted information about those who came for the funeral of the murdered people, calling people, compassionate killed, separatists.


Witnesses told that Ukrainian soldiers, especially from the National Guard on a massive scale looting the homes of local residents and sent by mail and other means.
They robbed the locals cars, motorcycles, refrigerators, gas cookers, TVs and other appliances. They even stole iron fences and gates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WosqfK8MRBA#t=158(Ukrainian Language)
This is confirmed not only Russian but also Ukrainian journalists. Also, many local residents.

There are many Russian and Ukrainian-language reference that the Ukrainian army, first of all National Guard units and private units conducting looting on a massive scale.

In Ukraine in 2013 was a record number of attacks on journalists. And in 2014 attacks and beatings of journalists was already 286.
In 2015, in Ukraine, in addition to threats, attacks have killed three well-known Ukrainian journalists.

When in Russia known opposition leader Boris Nemtsov was killed, the British Prime Minister has made a special statement to the Russian government.
When in Ukraine known opposition journalist Oles Buzina was killed, the British Prime Minister was asked why he is silent about this?
British Prime Minister on this occasion said that the British Government does not make statements on the case of foreign nationals. What happens? So, killed by Russian opposition leader Boris Nemtsov was a citizen of England?
 
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Servicemen volunteer battalions fighting together with the Ukrainian army against militias Donbass, showed a lot of atrocities against prisoners. On this there are many stories of witnesses. Some showed their wounds and inscriptions on the body, made a hot iron. I also saw it.
The last video I saw was filmed Ukrainian military volunteers who were burned at the stake captive Donbass militias.
I do not give links for ethical reasons. I am a Christian, I do not want to cheat. I want everyone to know that the politics of Europe and the United States, or turn a blind eye, or support the most inhuman actions both in Ukraine and in other countries.
 
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Mustafa Dzhemilev, an activist of the Crimean Tatar nationalists, refers to the US Senate to help with money to fight against the Russian government in the Crimea. He complains that the majority of the Crimean Tatars do not wish to participate in this.
He was in his youth a criminal, he was convicted of rape. Then it drew the attention of the US special forces, which support the most extremist groups Crimean Tatars, as well as the Ukrainian ones.
 
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If the US government warned its citizens to leave any territory, it means that there will soon begin fighting. And since the Ukrainian authorities are subject to the US authorities, it means the order to begin combat operations in Ukraine comes from the USА.
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Pro-American surrogates in Ukraine continue to destroy the economy of its own production. Ukrainian production had standards conforming to Russian standards. Other countries their products are not suitable because there is - other standards.
For example, Ukraine's nuclear power plants can operate properly only fuel produced in Russia. But Ukrainian authorities refuse to Russian nuclear fuel, and want to transfer their power to the nuclear fuel, produced in the United States. At first the former American president Yushchenko's attempt was and the staff barely had time to prevent an accident. But if God wants to punish, it deprives the mind.


One of the companies which will stop the work because of the authorities in Ukraine - factory of rocket engines. They cut off the electricity. It threatens to breach the conditions of storage of propellant and its explosion.

Truly in Ukraine came to power mad, ready mindlessly follow all instructions from his bosses the US State Department.
 

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There is hypocrisy with respect to the American position on the Ukraine. I will cite a few examples. In 2003 Libya entered into an agreement that it would end its nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles program if its territorial integrity were respected. In 2011 Libya was attacked via a no fly zone and its government toppled. The US violated Yugoslavian territorial integrity in the 1998 Kosovo War. The United States invaded and occupied Iraq on the pretext that it had weapons of mass destruction that were never found. If we look back even further the US invaded Grenada in 1983 on the pretext that American students at a medical college were in danger. There are many other examples that can be cited,even in recent history. I certainly would not argue that either Iraq or Libya were run by saints, but the fact is that the US violated the territorial integrity of other nations on numerous occasions. Crimea for centuries has been part of Russia and is Russian speaking and there is little doubt that its denizens support unification with Russia. I also do not believe that Putin can be bullied into capitulation. In the short run the annexation has given him quite a boost in popularity in Russia. When the US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq there was initially widespread support for these actions in the US which dissipated as these costly wars dragged on and eroded American resolve. The dismemberment of the Soviet Union and Russia's humiliation has embittered Putin and many others in Russia. and the Ukrainian action is a consequence of this. Germany's humiliation under the Treaty of Versailles gave rise to Hitler and World War 2. I am pointing out an analogy and I am not equating Putin with Hitler. Hitler committed genocide on the Jews, Gypsies and other groups and irrationally fought a war he could not win, opening fronts on both the east and west. . Putin is seasoned in power politics and willing to take calculated risks. He was a KGB operative during the Soviet period and head of KGB national security under Yeltsin.
Be careful when you make statements accusing the US of anything that can be even remotely perceived as being other than morally right or politically justified. America is always right and pure and innocent - according to most. It is unpatriotic to question the actions of the US Federal government. Ears that are not trained in the perception of truth will not accept any deviation from the official position of Washington as defined and editorialized and published in the common media.

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
 
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Starting from the collapse of the USSR, in Ukraine the government has supported a part of a Church that split from the Russian Orthodox Church. Their representatives, with the connivance of the authorities forcibly occupied the Church of the Moscow Patriarchate. After the coup, the attacks intensified. On the last Sunday in Kiev, the priest of the Moscow Patriarchate was seriously wounded from a pistol of unknown and died in the hospital.
http://lenta.ru/news/2015/07/29/nikolaev/ (Russian language)

Last Tuesday was found strangled in the apartment a nun who came to Kiev on business of the monastery.
http://rian.com.ua/kiev/20150729/371353213.html (Russian Language)
This is also confirmed by other news sources
 
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If you type in Google "Fighting in the parliament of Ukraine" in Russian "драки в раде", you will see a great many episodes.
https://www.google.ru/search?q=%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B8+%D0%B2+%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5&newwindow=1&biw=1024&bih=685&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CBsQsARqFQoTCLf4ppGJhscCFQK4FAod_98FEg
Ukrainian politicians from the outset could not peacefully to debate. This led to an armed civil conflict.
And curators from overseas contributed to this conflict.
 
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President of Ukraine Petr Poroshenko promised before the election that the anti-terrorist operation will end in a few days and that only volunteers will participate. But in reality: the war has been going on for over a year and the Ukrainian authorities catch the people and make them fight.
 
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Voting for dead candidat

"A candidate for deputy from the party "All-Ukrainian association " Batkivshchyna (the Fatherland)" Totovitsky Ivan, who died on October 20 won the most votes in the elections of the district council Sarny (Rivne region), on 25 October.

About this to Ukrainian News reported representative of the district election commission.

"The funeral was on Thursday, is three days before the elections. But representatives of political forces asked people to vote for the candidate. They explained that in this way you can pay their last respects to the dead. Today looked at the records and see that the dead man was the winner," - he said " Today, "the deputy head of staff Sarny BPP" Solidarity "Anatoly Ivashkevich.

He said that the political power of thought to file a complaint against the opponents. But after consulting lawyers refused.

"The district election commission instead of a deceased deputy announce the next candidate on the list of "the Fatherland". "Therefore, it makes no sense to raise a scandal, because the voters still supported the political forces in the district," - concluded Mr. Ivashkevich."

Ukrainian sources (in Russian Language) http://pri.hi.dn.ua/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=60727&catid=54&Itemid=148