Some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty

Anchorite said:

You still assume that the “thirty fold, sixty fold, one hundredfold” is chronological, but the scriptures say a crop, not successive crops throughout an expanse of time.


Matthew 13:8

Still other seed fell on good soil and produced a crop—a hundredfold, sixtyfold, or thirtyfold.



Scripture does not say “thirty fold, then sixty fold, and later one hundredfold”.

The different yields occur at one harvest in one moment of time.


Mark 4:20

And these are they which are sown on good ground, such as hear the Word and receive it and bring forth fruit: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred.

So in Mark the different yields are produced by “such as hear the Word and receive it”, thus different individuals produce different yields.

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You are close, but have not put it together.

The difference that you are not accounting for is "but each one in his own order."

Indeed, you are correct to say that there is only one crop--but when I have said that to many here, explaining that the difference is the eternal (timeless, one-time) perspective of God, compared with the times of this world where the crop comes "but each one in his own order" according to Paul--most have denied both. Both of which many here, including yourself, have rejected, when all I did was repeat what is written but never considered properly.

So, to deny the one and also deny the other--which you have now done on both accounts--is to deny yourself and God who set them both before the church to be "rightly divided"--not categorically denied.

bdavidc said:

God is sovereign over His Word. You are not. Paul wrote by the Holy Spirit as an apostle of Jesus Christ. Your claim that “here it’s me whether you like it or believe it or not” does not place your interpretation in the same category as inspired Scripture. That is an enormous claim, and Scripture does not tell believers to accept such claims merely because someone makes them.

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It is not for you to decide, nor apparently, even to know.

Either way--that is how God operates, that is His method. Like I said--you don't have to like it or believe it--but He has established it as such. Meanwhile, you are not just rejecting me, but Him who sent me. That's how this works.

Justified said:

I kept reading. I’m pretty sure I understood the point, so my point stands.

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Your point stands with you, it is you. That is the point of the parable: some stand at one point, and others and another, some with more, some with less.

That's how this works: God sets before us all "life and death, blessing and cursing", and we all individually have to choose where we stand...for eternity.

But this particular issue is not salvation, it's just that when one receives salvation is based on our willingness to enter into what is beyond what we see regarding the kingdom of God. Since Pentecost God's people were meant to hear Jesus knocking and open that door of entering in, which comes when and how you do not expect. That's what He said. And much of what He said, is what He set before us to make our choice--like a simple parable of seed planted in this world, meaning so much more--meaning, not only the planting, but the active harvesting as laborers serving Him. At the very least, it means that people respond differently to truth, some missing out to some degree on God's full intentions for us because of distractions, and unbelief.

If you aren't willing to look beyond, you don't get to see beyond. Leaving some to fall by the wayside.