Some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty

[ScottA]

You still assume that the “thirty fold, sixty fold, one hundredfold” is chronological, but the scriptures say a crop, not successive crops throughout an expanse of time.


Matthew 13:8

Still other seed fell on good soil and produced a crop—a hundredfold, sixtyfold, or thirtyfold.



Scripture does not say “thirty fold, then sixty fold, and later one hundredfold”.

The different yields occur at one harvest in one moment of time.


Mark 4:20

And these are they which are sown on good ground, such as hear the Word and receive it and bring forth fruit: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred.

So in Mark the different yields are produced by “such as hear the Word and receive it”, thus different individuals produce different yields.

You are close, but have not put it together.

The difference that you are not accounting for is "but each one in his own order."

Indeed, you are correct to say that there is only one crop--but when I have said that to many here, explaining that the difference is the eternal (timeless, one-time) perspective of God, compared with the times of this world where the crop comes "but each one in his own order" according to Paul--most have denied both. Both of which many here, including yourself, have rejected, when all I did was repeat what is written but never considered properly.

So, to deny the one and also deny the other--which you have now done on both accounts--is to deny yourself and God who set them both before the church to be "rightly divided"--not categorically denied.

 

[ScottA]

God is sovereign over His Word. You are not. Paul wrote by the Holy Spirit as an apostle of Jesus Christ. Your claim that “here it’s me whether you like it or believe it or not” does not place your interpretation in the same category as inspired Scripture. That is an enormous claim, and Scripture does not tell believers to accept such claims merely because someone makes them.

It is not for you to decide, nor apparently, even to know.

Either way--that is how God operates, that is His method. Like I said--you don't have to like it or believe it--but He has established it as such. Meanwhile, you are not just rejecting me, but Him who sent me. That's how this works.

 

[Justified]

keep reading, you too have missed the point.

I kept reading. I’m pretty sure I understood the point, so my point stands.

 

[ScottA]

I kept reading. I’m pretty sure I understood the point, so my point stands.

Your point stands with you, it is you. That is the point of the parable: some stand at one point, and others at another, some with more, some with less.

That's how this works: God sets before us all "life and death, blessing and cursing", and we all individually have to choose where we stand...for eternity.

But this particular issue is not salvation, it's just that when one receives salvation is based on our willingness to enter into what is beyond what we see regarding the kingdom of God. Since Pentecost God's people were meant to hear Jesus knocking and open that door of entering in, which comes when and how you do not expect. That's what He said. And much of what He said, is what He set before us to make our choice--like a simple parable of seed planted in this world, meaning so much more--meaning, not only the planting, but the active harvesting as laborers serving Him. At the very least, it means that people respond differently to truth, some missing out to some degree on God's full intentions for us because of distractions, and unbelief.

If you aren't willing to look beyond, you don't get to see beyond. Leaving some to fall by the wayside.

 

[Justified]

Your point stands with you, it is you. That is the point of the parable: some stand at one point, and others and another, some with more, some with less.

That's how this works: God sets before us all "life and death, blessing and cursing", and we all individually have to choose where we stand...for eternity.

But this particular issue is not salvation, it's just that when one receives salvation is based on our willingness to enter into what is beyond what we see regarding the kingdom of God. Since Pentecost God's people were meant to hear Jesus knocking and open that door of entering in, which comes when and how you do not expect. That's what He said. And much of what He said, is what He set before us to make our choice--like a simple parable of seed planted in this world, meaning so much more--meaning, not only the planting, but the active harvesting as laborers serving Him. At the very least, it means that people respond differently to truth, some missing out to some degree on God's full intentions for us because of distractions, and unbelief.

If you aren't willing to look beyond, you don't get to see beyond. Leaving some to fall by the wayside.

How about you succinctly state what you think the parable is teaching. Just lay it all out. Your posts are a bit disjointed and it appears you’re changing what your understanding of the parable is.

 

[ScottA]

How about you succinctly state what you think the parable is teaching. Just lay it all out. Your posts are a bit disjointed and it appears you’re changing what your understanding of the parable is.

It has been a rocky, twisted, and winding road here, hence the return that I have been referring to. Why would you expect anything different?

The parable of the Sower shows what happens when the word of God is spread evenly to a variety of willingness as if spread upon different soil types, some rocky, some good, etc. Which would not be complete without considering what that looks like in our own time. That is my point. In other words, the parable works in general, but also very specifically regarding the times, as it is God who is in control from the beginning to the end, with each generation and time having its own circumstances to navigate, complete with what to choose and what to reject. And based on history and the great example we have of Israel who was before us, we being adopted into the fold should not expect that we have it all figured out when it comes to what is actually Truth and what is not. For which there are warnings.

But here we are with majority belief--the standard according to men--being considered true, as if we all had a vote. In which case we are more foolish than Israel who crucified the Christ, for they had Priests over them seemingly appointed by God--and they, the natural branch--was wrong, dead wrong.

Translate that in to seeming Holy Spirit authority, and men following after flesh and blood rather than direct words from the Father, as Jesus stated in talking to Peter about how He would build His church--and we're in big trouble--worse than Israel who rejected Christ in the flesh.

 

[Justified]

It has been a rocky, twisted, and winding road here, hence the return that I have been referring to. Why would you expect anything different?

The parable of the Sower shows what happens when the word of God is spread evenly to a variety of willingness as if spread upon different soil types, some rocky, some good, etc. Which would not be complete without considering what that looks like in our own time. That is my point. In other words, the parable works in general, but also very specifically regarding the times, as it is God who is in control from the beginning to the end, with each generation and time having its own circumstances to navigate, complete with what to choose and what to reject. And based on history and the great example we have of Israel who was before us, we being adopted into the fold should not expect that we have it all figured out when it comes to what is actually Truth and what is not. For which there are warnings.

But here we are with majority belief--the standard according to men--being considered true, as if we all had a vote. In which case we are more foolish than Israel who crucified the Christ, for they had Priests over them seemingly appointed by God--and they, the natural branch--was wrong, dead wrong.

Translate that in to seeming Holy Spirit authority, and men following after flesh and blood rather than direct words from the Father, as Jesus stated in talking to Peter about how He would build His church--and we're in big trouble--worse than Israel who rejected Christ in the flesh.

Okay, but you completely left out what you stated in your first, second, and third posts:

"And it is easy to see and understand Jesus speaking of different percentages of profit unto the kingdom that come from His words falling on good soil. But hearing and seeing--did you notice that those percentages chronologically--diminish and become smaller and smaller?"

"I am sure if a profit without regard to enumeration were the only point, He would not have been specific."

"Yes, I see it even as a general circumstance or fading of words handed down from generation to generation."

Your main point was that "those percentages chronologically diminish and become smaller and smaller." Now you've completely left that out. Why is that?

 

[ScottA]

Okay, but you completely left out what you stated in your first, second, and third posts:

"And it is easy to see and understand Jesus speaking of different percentages of profit unto the kingdom that come from His words falling on good soil. But hearing and seeing--did you notice that those percentages chronologically--diminish and become smaller and smaller?"

"I am sure if a profit without regard to enumeration were the only point, He would not have been specific."

"Yes, I see it even as a general circumstance or fading of words handed down from generation to generation."

Your main point was that "those percentages chronologically diminish and become smaller and smaller." Now you've completely left that out. Why is that?

I thought we were past that. We were, I covered it already. Matthew's gospel shows it diminishing, Mark's increasing, Luke's 100%, and John's not at all. And I explained.

But my Original Post was quoting Matthew, where the percentages are listed as possibly diminishing. Which I say "possibly" only to appease...because my intent was that it be considered further. And if you look at and consider that the other gospels state it differently--what then, are those just contradictions in the Word of God as the atheists say? No, therefore I have drawn attention to it and given the true explanation for what might very well be considered contradictions, but should be considered as an important and purposeful distinction.