Simple proof that the rapture occurs on the Last Day, which is a post tribulation rapture

amigo de christo · Sep 30, 2026

Taken said:
This thread topic is regarding the Rapture.

No.
That is not an introduction when you have umpteen posts on that topic.

this topic is on the rapture . Because all who heed that ecumeincal harlot
THEY AINT GOING up taken , THEIR GOING Down on that day .
And if you would stop following it , i would not have to KEEP reminding you . Now would I
those umpteen times . You wont budge from that harlot . But i am praying you will before
Forever and by forever i mean FOREVER ITS TOO LATE .

amigo de christo · Sep 30, 2026

Scott Downey said:
Jesus fulfills the Law, all of it.
If your are truly in Him and He is in you, then the law no longer has the judgment of capital punishment, death on you for your sins.
You are forgiven all of your sins for His name sake, and this is a great and glorious salvation.

If you are not found in Him as in He does not know you, you will be killed, you don't belong to the Lord, you are antichrist, and follow Satan, even if you think not, you do. That is something even believers may choke up on, God says

Ezekiel 18:4
“Behold, all souls are Mine; The soul of the father As well as the soul of the son is Mine; The soul who sins shall die.

Since ALL have sinned, all are subject to the second death and Lake of Fire unless they obey God repent and believe in His dear Son.
Hebrews 8

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins [b]and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

But for them that believe not, their sins are not forgiven them, and they will all be killed-terminated and find themselves in Hell fire and then the lake of Fire. And there is no escape from that, as Jesus Christ is the only name given under heaven whereby we must be saved.

Yes indeed my friend .
And now a friendly and dire necessary reminder for us all .

DO you BELIEVE ITS SIN to CALL GOD A LIAR .
DO you beleive its sin to even use the NAME OF JESUS to DO SO .
DO you beleive it is sin to come using the name of jesus but do so to support SIN .
DO you believe it is sin to use the name of Jesus and yet preach the lie of anti christ by means of intefaith .
AND DO YA REALLY BELIEVE the soul that did that EVEN KNEW JESUS AT ALL .

Taken · Sep 30, 2026

amigo de christo said:
this topic is on the rapture .

No. You infusing “Your Pet Project” into every thread Does not Change the intent of the thread.

amigo de christo said:
And if you would stop following it…

AND IF… only you would START your own thread for anyone to volunteer to hear your preaching…
AND IF…only you would STOP Gaslighting and FALSELY Accusing…

You could honorably back-pat yourself FOR participating in making this forum a pleasant place to visit or join.

Marvelloustime · Sep 30, 2026

amigo de christo said:
Yes indeed my friend .
And now a friendly and dire necessary reminder for us all .

DO you BELIEVE ITS SIN to CALL GOD A LIAR .
DO you beleive its sin to even use the NAME OF JESUS to DO SO .
DO you beleive it is sin to come using the name of jesus but do so to support SIN .
DO you believe it is sin to use the name of Jesus and yet preach the lie of anti christ by means of intefaith .
AND DO YA REALLY BELIEVE the soul that did that EVEN KNEW JESUS AT ALL .

@amigo de christo

Davy · Sep 30, 2026

Taken said:
Seems handy for you to decide Occultism is whatever you do not know or understand… and can be passed off to another VIA gaslighting.

Levels of the Heavens AND the Earth Are Scripturally Taught… whether YOU know it or understand it.

Which is a doctrine of MEN, not from God's Word. There is ONLY ONE LEVEL for Heaven taught in God's Word. If the "third heaven" Paul mentioned was about different 'planes' in Heaven there would be more than one Bible witness for it, but there is none!

And today, some so-called churches are on board with the ecumenical movement of joining religions in prep for the coming one-world religion. That's why those beth-aven churches are inviting representatives from other religions to do demonstrations in their churches. Multiple planes in Heaven is an Eastern doctrine, not a Biblical doctrine.

Taken said:
Paradise IS Where the Tree of Life IS…
Scripturally the “Tree of Life”…
IS moved about… TO Where “only” the Righteous are …

The Tree of Life exists alongside God's River of the Waters of Life. It is in God's Paradise or Eden, but as of Adam and Eve's sin, it was moved off this earth to the invisible dimension where it awaits with our Heavenly Father's future return to this earth as it was before. It is shown on earth in Genesis 2 feeding four other rivers upon the earth, so do you think that's about 'planes' or levels? It's not.

Taken said:
The Tree of Life “IN Paradise”…
Was in the Garden of Eden…
Was with Abraham’s soul in Hell…
IS in the 2nd Heaven with departed saved souls…
Shall be AGAIN ON Earth… After all Evil and Wickedness is “removed”.

There is NO SUCH "2nd Heaven with departed saved souls" written in God's Word. Per Jesus' story in Luke 16 about Lazarus and the rich man, both the abode of the wicked where the rich man was, called "hell", and the other side of the great gulf fixed where Lazarus was in Abraham's bosom, were both on the same level, just across that fixed gulf border. That's NOT multiple planes, it's the SAME level in Paradise. Folks often say they want to go to Heaven when they die, and I say 'which side'?

Even Greek Tartaroo (deepest part of the abyss per Greek mythology) is represented as a deeper level of hell. But it is actually just another place of separation within the abode of hell, and not another 'plane' like Eastern religious belief.

All you're doing is simply listening to a bunch of primitive charlatans that don't actually understand their Bible on these matters, so they make up their own doctrines to fill in the gaps of their Biblical illiteracy.

amigo de christo · Sep 30, 2026

Taken said:
No. You infusing “Your Pet Project” into every thread Does not Change the intent of the thread.

AND IF… only you would START your own thread for anyone to volunteer to hear your preaching…
AND IF…only you would STOP Gaslighting and FALSELY Accusing…

You could honorably back-pat yourself FOR participating in making this forum a pleasant place to visit or join.

There is something that you and everyone needs to know .
SO allow me to say it . I had rather be dead than join in false unity . You can take that to the bank .
For me its Christ and unity Under HIM . not under false teachers who preach senusal love
and try and cliam it as the love of God . So perhaps that can help you understand
why for so very many years i have been totally against the seeker friendly . And i mean TOTALLY against it
and anything ecumeincal and anything of this all inclusive movement .
So , what do you think about that my friend . AM i a hopeless case , perhaps a religious extremist
Whatever you decide just know i refuse to join in with false unity . Thanks for your response . Hope you hear mine as well .

William Barton · Oct 2, 2026

Scott Downey said:
That is airtight with Revelation 13 and 14.

The Fatal Contradiction of the "Surviving Rebels": Exposes the absolute impossibility of their timeline. Revelation 13 establishes that everyone whose name is not in the book of life worships the beast

Scott Downey noted:
< everyone whose name is not in the book of life>

"Everyone" refers to everyone in the Middle-Eastern city of Jerusalem who takes the mark of the beast.

Scott Downey · Oct 2, 2026

William Barton said:
Scott Downey noted:
< everyone whose name is not in the book of life>

"Everyone" refers to everyone in the Middle-Eastern city of Jerusalem who takes the mark of the beast.

Your everyone then is not everyone.
Jesus said the events of the time of the last days right before His coming affects the whole world not just surrounding area of Jerusalem.
35 For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Luke 21

The Destruction of Jerusalem

20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

The Coming of the Son of Man

25 “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”

The Parable of the Fig Tree

29 Then He spoke to them a parable: “Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. 30 When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

The Importance of Watching

34 “But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with [h]carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. 35 For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may [i]be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

37 And in the daytime He was teaching in the temple, but at night He went out and stayed on the mountain called Olivet. 38 Then early in the morning all the people came to Him in the temple to hear Him.

William Barton · Oct 2, 2026

Scott Downey noted:
<face of the whole earth>

"Earth" in your quote is Greek γη = "land."
There was no concept of planet earth in Biblical times.

Scott Downey · Oct 3, 2026

William Barton said:
Scott Downey noted:
<face of the whole earth>

"Earth" in your quote is Greek γη = "land."
There was no concept of planet earth in Biblical times.

Genesis 1:9
And God said, “Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so.
Genesis 1:10
And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called He Seas; and God saw that it was good.

What you are trying to make the scripture say is not supportable.
If there is no heaven, then there was no earth. And there was a time before both, known only to God.

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

William Barton · Oct 3, 2026

"Earth" (Luke 21:35) is Greek γη = "land."

There was no concept of a global plant earth in biblical times .

Scott Downey · Oct 3, 2026

William Barton said:
"Earth" (Luke 21:35) is Greek γη = "land."

There was no concept of a global plant earth in biblical times .

post #170, earth is the land. God called it earth.

Genesis 1:10
And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called He Seas; and God saw that it was good.

It does not matter if ancient Israel had no concept of planet earth. They recognized earth as the face of the whole earth, not just their land, they knew of lands far away, even as they thought it was flat earth, even that is not significant

Kings of the earth
Four quarters of the earth
breadth of the earth

All imply the entire planet, not just land of Israel-Jerusalem

Revelation 19:19
And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies gathered together to make war against Him that sat on the horse, and against His army.
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Revelation 20:8
and shall go out to deceive the nations to the four quarters of the earth— Gog and Magog — to gather them together for battle, thenumber of whom is as the sand of the sea.
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Revelation 20:9
And they went out over the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Scott Downey · Oct 3, 2026

All the nations of the earth, includes all the nations, even those far away in space and time

Genesis 18:18
seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nationsof the earth shall be blessed in him?
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Genesis 22:18
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because thou hast obeyed My voice.”
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Genesis 26:4
And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed,

Matthew 24:9
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted and shall kill you, and ye shall be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.
Matthew 24:14
And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come.
Matthew 25:32
And before Him shall be gathered all nations, and He shall separate them one from another as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats.
Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,
Mark 11:17
And He taught, saying unto them, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called for all nations the house of prayer’? But ye have made it a den of thieves.”
Mark 13:10
And the Gospel must first be proclaimed among all nations.
Luke 12:30
For all these things do the nations of the world seek after, and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things.
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Luke 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem shall be trodden down by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luke 24:47
and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

All nations means all of them, where ever they may be

Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations and kindreds and people and tongues, stood before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes and with palms in their hands.
Revelation 12:5
And she brought forth a manchild, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up unto God and to His throne.
Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints and to overcome them; and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Revelation 14:8
And there followed another angel, saying, “Babylon is fallen! Fallen is that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”
Revelation 15:4
Who shall not fear Thee, O Lord, and glorify Thy name? For Thou only art holy. For all nations shall come and worship before Thee, for Thy judgments are made manifest.”
Revelation 18:3
For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication; and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have waxed rich through the abundance of her indulgences pleasures.”
Revelation 18:23
and the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee. For thy merchants were the great men of the earth, for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Scott Downey · Oct 3, 2026

Then Jesus in luke 13 says, 29 And they shall come from the east and from the west, and from the north and from the south, and shall sit down in the Kingdom of God

That means they will come into the kingdom of God from all over the earth

23 Then said one unto Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?” And He said unto them,

24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate, for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in and shall not be able.

25 When once the master of the house is risen up and hath shut the door, and ye begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open unto us,’ and He shall answer and say unto you, ‘I know you not from whence ye are,’

26 then shall ye begin to say, ‘We have eaten and drunk in Thy presence, and Thou hast taught in our streets.’

27 But He shall say, ‘I tell you, I know you not from whence ye are. Depart from Me, all ye workers of iniquity.’

28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth when ye shall see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the Kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

29 And they shall come from the east and from the west, and from the north and from the south, and shall sit down in the Kingdom of God.

30 And behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.”

William Barton · Oct 3, 2026

Scott Downey noted:

"Let the dry land appear."

That land is called Pangaea ("All earth").

It broke up, and the upheaval killed everyone on earth except seven people in the ark. We are all their descendants.

William Barton · Oct 3, 2026

"Earth" in Genesis 1:10 is an English translation of Hebrew אךץ = "land."
"Earth" in Revelation 20:9 is an English translation of Greek γη = "land."

Today English "earth" can indicate "ground" (as in farmer tills the earth), or it can indicate a planet, as in Mercury, Venus, *Earth,* Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto.

However there was no concept of planet earth in Biblical times.

William Barton · Oct 3, 2026

Scott Downey said:

Scott Downey noted:
<Genesis 1:9>

"Earth" in Genesis 1:1,2 is Hebrew ארץ (arets) = "land."
"Heavens" in Genesis 1:1 is Hebrew שמים = "heavens/space."
Space itself is a product of the Genesis creation. Space is not "nothingness," rather space has "vacuum energy."

William Barton · Oct 3, 2026

William Barton said:
Jesus coming to earth is shown in the Bible, Revelation 14:14-16.

The purpose is to remove believers, so that they may avoid some of the coming judgments on the land (scroll, trumpet, bowl). He comes to the sky and catches believers up at the seventh trump.

I suppose this is Middle East only, since that is the place of contention.

Scott Downey · Oct 3, 2026

Arguing for a local rapture only is an absurdity, as they are gathered from the uttermost parts of the earth and heaven both to meet the Lord in the air.

23 But take ye heed; behold, I have foretold you all things.

24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, ‘the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

25 and the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.’

26 And then shall they see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall He send His angels and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

William Barton · Oct 3, 2026

Scott Downey said:
Arguing for a local rapture only is an absurdity, as they are gathered from the uttermost parts of the earth and heaven both to meet the Lord in the air.

23 But take ye heed; behold, I have foretold you all things.

24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, ‘the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

25 and the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.’

26 And then shall they see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall He send His angels and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Scott Downey explained:
<from the utter most part of the earth to the utter most part of heaven.>

και τοτε αποστελει τους αγγελος και επισυναξει τους εκλεκτους εκ των τεσσαρων ανεμωγ απ ακρου γης εως ακρου ουρανου

"And then he will send forth the angels, and will gather together his elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the land to the farthest end of the sky." (Mark 13:27)

IOW the gathering will be huge.

Simple proof that the rapture occurs on the Last Day, which is a post tribulation rapture

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